Are you 23?

[Ausdaddy]

Nevermind. I pass on both.:lol:

:lol: Understandable.

 

[Disneyson 1]

Perhaps if you send ME the money, I can send you the merch. from D23... with just a small extra fee, of course, to pay for D23 expenses...

 

[imamouse]

Who said it was a sculpture?

From the list of membership benefits:

Surprise Collectible Gift: A collectible just for D23 members. You'll receive a gift you'll cherish from the new Walt Disney Archives Collection.

If you look at the picture of the D23 display at One Man's Dream posted by EpcotServo:

The case with pins in it says "Walt Disney Archives", it's conceivable that the "collectible" will be a pin or pins...

Or it could be that tote bag hanging on the back of the chair.

From the Terms & Conditions:

"If you enroll in the Program before December 31, 2009, you will be enrolled as a D23 Charter member and may receive additional benefits available only to Charter members (the "Charter" year of the Program is the calendar year 2009)."

Perhaps they won't announce any specific "Charter Member" benefits until it's too late to join to get them. Then it's a reward for demonstrating faith.

It says may receive - not will receive. Have some more kool-aid. :drevil:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Its less than they were going to charge originally.
Just because you pay now doesn't mean you won't get the other stuff as its added. And you get to lock in the $75 price, which WILL go higher.

(Yes, I know the international thing. I don't know if thats intentional or not, but I don't think it is.)



Because I know how things work, I must be an apologist?
There are plenty of similar situations where the items are rolled in as they become available.
Why do you think they didn't announce what the 'gift' is? Its not because they don't know. Its because if something goes wrong with whatever it is, they can change it without people going 'but I really wanted a XYZ!!!'.

Even on this site. Do you think the perks for becoming a subscriber were all ready to go on Day 1 that subscriptions were offered? And that others weren't added? No, of course not.

Ah, you edited your post...


(1st Bold)Seems like WDC and D23 can do no wrong in your eyes.


(2nd Bold)Sounds like more poor planning.

(This Website Argument)And no, I'm sure Steve *didn't* have all the features in place, but I'm sure he made is worth a subscriber's money. Which it certainly is. I didn't join to become part of a club, I joined to help Steve. I joined to help pay for the forum in which we can all express our opinions on.

Don't confuse D23 (A overpriced and esoteric Merch club) to giving back to a Web-master that provided such a nice environment for people's opinions.

 

[krankenstein]

Or it could be that tote bag hanging on the back of the chair.

That seems very probably. I must admit that I would even be disappointed if that is the case and I'm not D23.

 

[Monty]

Or it could be that tote bag hanging on the back of the chair.



It says may receive - not will receive. Have some more kool-aid. :drevil:

Actually, the reason I borrowed EpcotServo's picture was simply to point out the "Walt Disney Archives" on the interior of the box. Since the only indication as yet regarding what the "collectible" gift would be was that it would be from the newly-created "Walt Disney Archives Collection", I thought it was a possible indication. Indeed, anything D23-related you see might be the gift, but I personally doubt it would be something people could potentially have already purchased for themselves from the D23 boutique.

The quote from the Terms & Conditions documentation was just that, a quote. No kool-aid required. A previous poster asked what other benefits there might be or if there would be and I provided an indication that there might. I really could care less if people like or don't like the D23 product or even the basic premise, but try not to be ridiculous in trying to pick things apart, it makes you look petty and childish.

 

[WDW1974]

I wasn't talking about you. I don't really care who you know or how many names you can drop into a conversation. I don't care who is a nice guy or how many of the exec's cookouts you've been to.

I don't 'drop' names into a conversation unless they are pertinent.

And whether you care about something is of no moment to me at all. Some people will find value in what I post and some won't and it will ebb and flow based upon the subject ... that's life on a discussion board.

If we are going to discuss something, then we can use facts that either support or deconstruct a position. Wild swings in opinions based on nothing but speculation (not saying that you do this) add nothing of value to the conversation except for derailing it (which admittedly is what we have done here).

I usually can tell when an argument is supported by facts (even if I am not privy to them) or is just an opinion being touted as fact. That's the issue I have.

I'd much rather deal in facts, but sometimes that isn't possible ... and this is a discussion forum ... opinions are the stock in trade.

And even when you have the facts on your side that doesn't mean a thing to many people who have their own world view (almost like a religious thing) where they're going to believe whatever they want regardless.

Someone yelling this is a failure, literally hours after it is launched is the lack of perspective I'm referring to.

With this particular issue, it appears, with the facts I have right now, to be an interesting idea that may grow into something worthwhile, but the entry price may be to steep to warrent consideration at this time. I'll look into more this weekend when I have time and it may change my mind. However, I can also acknowledge that this is just an opinion and I don't know enough to make a judgement or more importantly, defend that judgement to others.

I haven't said it's a failure because I am not privvy to what Disney expected/expects from it.

I will say from a PR standpoint, it hasn't gotten a positive response by and large.

I also don't see it lasting at all ... but that is an opinion.

~Marty Sklar grills a great burger!~

 

[WDW1974]

LOL! If it is a salaried gig I'd take it! I honestly think it is almost flawless as a product. It has a depth to it that I've not come across anywhere else. The E Ticket is equally strong on the DL history stuff as you pointed out - although it can be a bit folksy for my liking.

You should post on LP.com ... I KNOW Lee would love to hear comments such as yours. He likely needs the ego boost.:ROFLOL:

But he should be proud of his work ... and I see D23 as simply a sad knock-off that lacks the substance ... depth as you put it of Tales. And I must add that I am not a subscriber ... I get issues through a friend as I have a basic philosophical issue with paying for it since Lee works for Disney, yet publishes this 'independent' fanzine. Nothing to do with the quality at all ... I just don't like the co-mingling of interests.

I had noticed that leemac hadn't commented on D23 on LP - but then he does seem to dip in and out irregularly. I'd be intrigued to hear what he has to say.

I'm trying to get him to come out and play, but I understand this is a subject he has to walk on like egg shells. I even commented on LP earlier that I wouldn't be surprised if he came out and disagreed with my post about Disney stealing the idea from him because he has to think of his long term business interests and I KNOW he makes a helluva lot more from Mickey than he does from the fans who buy Tales. But he may surprise me ...

~D28~

 

[WDW1974]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainMichael
They don't want us to know about the quality additions in those regions...:lookaroun

I think that is a good point - the Company has never been very good at communicating what is happening in Paris, Tokyo or Hong Kong. Almost as if they see it as real competition - and I'm sure they can't be. The vast majority of guests just aren't going to flip DLR or WDW for any of those resorts based solely on the quality of the product. They should be proud of their accomplishments in those locations.

The Jubilation parade at Tokyo Disneyland looks breath-taking - a real tour-de-force by Steven Davison and that should be shared with the Disney community. I'm glad I have had the opportunity to see it and have magazines like Disney Fan and Tales to remind me of how spectacular it is.

Yeah ... Disney has for years tried to pretend that TDL (especially) and later DLP didn't exist for USA fans.

On the one hand they should be proud about their amazing efforts at those resorts (and even in my small, but beloved HKDL) ... but at the same time I think it's been puposeful. Not because they are afraid that Joe and Jane Average from Toledo, Ohio who always spend 10 days at WDW every June are going to suddenly head for Japan or France. Bur rather because what they have offered in the states, especially at WDW, simply pales in comparison to the quality offered internationally.

For years, it didn't matter. There was almost no one who knew TDL even existed in the 1980s (I still remember having to tell my uncle to visit for day when he won a two-week trip to Japan in 1986) ... but in the Internet Era they simply can't hide anything. Look at Monsters ... hasn't even opened yet and you can watch a ride thru on your computer.

That's going to become a much bigge issue for Disney as we move on ... because information is at your fingertips now and fans can compare (on many levels) what Disney offers around the world now from the safety of Mom's basement (sorry, fanboi shot!)

Oh ... and I am looking forward to Jubilation ... nothing that Steven has done has ever been less than enjoyable with most things spectacular ... Hell, I loved Eureka at DCA and even enjoyed Luminaria the one season it played.

~Don't Remember the Magic? Book a trip to DLP, TDL or HKDL~

 

[WDW1974]

Just one more comment on the 'loyalty' aspect of D23 and the whole 'charter' deal ... I wouldn't expect much at all.

As someone who is a charter AP holder (we used to be called subscribers) I haven't seen one thing offered for what is about to be 28 years of loyalty to WDW. I was one of the first 3,000 people to get one and am trying to find out just how many of us there are ... I am sure some folks are dead and many gave up their status years ago. I'd guess that we likely number under 1,000 ...

Either way, the ONLY thing/perq we receive is the lowest price on a renewal ... mine just went up from $298 last year to $305 now. And while that is a great price, having an AP for 27 years has resulted in me spending countless thousands (well into six figures) on hotels, meals, recreation, hard ticket events and merchandise. So an extra $72 off a renewal means next to nothing (especially for a company that gives away comps like they're confetti) ... So almost three decades of loyalty and not even a freaking truly LE pin (and I'd like something more substantial) for that commitment and all of the $$$ spent.

Unfortunately, that's just not the Disney Way.

So ... Mickey can take his D23 and shove it right up his rodent behind.

~Coldplay AND Survivor~

 

[SoccerMickey]

Disney really needs to "bring it" to the Expo, however I don't see the point since the NFFC has been doing this for years....and at least at their conventions, they feed you!
The biggest probelm with the NFFC conventions is they have started scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the offerings of entertainment and seminars for the attendees. Tony Baxter is always a delight to listen to, but some other things...meh...
Disney criticized the Disneyana Conventions in their press for D23 but at the height of the Disneyana Conventions the only people that considered it a failure was Disney because of the high cost to run these things. All the guests that attended loved them and always signed up for the following year.

 

[uklad79]

Just one more comment on the 'loyalty' aspect of D23 and the whole 'charter' deal ... I wouldn't expect much at all.

As someone who is a charter AP holder (we used to be called subscribers) I haven't seen one thing offered for what is about to be 28 years of loyalty to WDW. I was one of the first 3,000 people to get one and am trying to find out just how many of us there are ... I am sure some folks are dead and many gave up their status years ago. I'd guess that we likely number under 1,000 ...

Either way, the ONLY thing/perq we receive is the lowest price on a renewal ... mine just went up from $298 last year to $305 now. And while that is a great price, having an AP for 27 years has resulted in me spending countless thousands (well into six figures) on hotels, meals, recreation, hard ticket events and merchandise. So an extra $72 off a renewal means next to nothing (especially for a company that gives away comps like they're confetti) ... So almost three decades of loyalty and not even a freaking truly LE pin (and I'd like something more substantial) for that commitment and all of the $$$ spent.

Unfortunately, that's just not the Disney Way.

So ... Mickey can take his D23 and shove it right up his rodent behind.

~Coldplay AND Survivor~

Ahhhh I see your problem with D23, it's not all about you! You want a club that is all about you being one of the first annual pass holders so you created one in your mind where you think Disney should be grateful that for years you have had a discounted pass Because you have such a sense of self importance you can't understand why you don't have a pin for being so loyal and you don't see a discount as recognition. I see your problem now and if you look in a mirror you will see it too. (hint: it's you)
If you decided to get an AP 27 yrs ago thinking you would somehow be more important to Disney 27 yrs later and should expect something from them you were mistaken, so move on and stop being bitter your no more important than anyone else no matter what you like to think.

 

[jt04]

Ahhhh I see your problem with D23, it's not all about you! You want a club that is all about you being one of the first annual pass holders so you created one in your mind where you think Disney should be grateful that for years you have had a discounted pass Because you have such a sense of self importance you can't understand why you don't have a pin for being so loyal and you don't see a discount as recognition. I see your problem now and if you look in a mirror you will see it too. (hint: it's you)
If you decided to get an AP 27 yrs ago thinking you would somehow be more important to Disney 27 yrs later and should expect something from them you were mistaken, so move on and stop being bitter your no more important than anyone else no matter what you like to think.

:sohappy:

I nominate this for the "Post of the Month" award. A thousand thank yous!


~Pass 74 the Bitter Dust~

 

[unkadug]

:sohappy:

I nominate this for the "Post of the Month" award. A thousand thank yous!


~Pass 74 the Bitter Dust~

Now serving "Bitter", party of one, your table is ready.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Ahhhh I see your problem with D23, it's not all about you! You want a club that is all about you being one of the first annual pass holders so you created one in your mind where you think Disney should be grateful that for years you have had a discounted pass Because you have such a sense of self importance you can't understand why you don't have a pin for being so loyal and you don't see a discount as recognition. I see your problem now and if you look in a mirror you will see it too. (hint: it's you)
If you decided to get an AP 27 yrs ago thinking you would somehow be more important to Disney 27 yrs later and should expect something from them you were mistaken, so move on and stop being bitter your no more important than anyone else no matter what you like to think.

In my case I dont think Im any more important than any one else. Perhaps my expectations of clean, well maintained theme parks with regular updates, a high standard of customer focus and service, food that is as a minimum on par with that of a chain restaurants of that grade, a fan club that offers a diverse range of perks similar to that of other brands in the entertainment or leisure industry, are a bit too outlandish for Disney.

But Im just a bitter old git, what do I know of fairies and magic?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

:sohappy:

I nominate this for the "Post of the Month" award. A thousand thank yous!

This comment for this:

In my case I dont think Im any more important than any one else. Perhaps my expectations of clean, well maintained theme parks with regular updates, a high standard of customer focus and service, food that is as a minimum on par with that of a chain restaurants of that grade, a fan club that offers a diverse range of perks similar to that of other brands in the entertainment or leisure industry, are a bit too outlandish for Disney.

But Im just a bitter old git, what do I know of fairies and magic?

And I agree with you.

 

[imamouse]

Actually, the reason I borrowed EpcotServo's picture was simply to point out the "Walt Disney Archives" on the interior of the box. Since the only indication as yet regarding what the "collectible" gift would be was that it would be from the newly-created "Walt Disney Archives Collection", I thought it was a possible indication. Indeed, anything D23-related you see might be the gift, but I personally doubt it would be something people could potentially have already purchased for themselves from the D23 boutique.

The quote from the Terms & Conditions documentation was just that, a quote. No kool-aid required. A previous poster asked what other benefits there might be or if there would be and I provided an indication that there might. I really could care less if people like or don't like the D23 product or even the basic premise, but try not to be ridiculous in trying to pick things apart, it makes you look petty and childish.

The kool-aid remark was an attempt at humor regrading the wording of the T & C in general and not directed at you.

 

[MouseMadness]

What WDW1974 said ....

Folks - why are we even talking about this non-event? Walk away, wait two years... let Disney create something of value.
And uklad79? It's not about being "special"... it's about getting something of value for $75.

Like this!

http://disneyshopping.go.com/disney...d=-1&categoryId=60494&catalogFromSearch=10002

Although to be fair it is on sale now... you could totally get the tiara, shoes and earrings to go with it too! :sohappy:

Just sayin...

:lookaroun :lol:

 

[Roxas]

:sohappy:

I nominate this for the "Post of the Month" award. A thousand thank yous!


~Pass 74 the Bitter Dust~

I agree 100% someone needs to cheer up.

 

[WDW1974]

Ahhhh I see your problem with D23, it's not all about you!

No. You lose. You missed the point entirely ... something that happens here a lot.

You want a club that is all about you being one of the first annual pass holders so you created one in your mind where you think Disney should be grateful that for years you have had a discounted pass Because you have such a sense of self importance you can't understand why you don't have a pin for being so loyal and you don't see a discount as recognition. I see your problem now and if you look in a mirror you will see it too. (hint: it's you)
If you decided to get an AP 27 yrs ago thinking you would somehow be more important to Disney 27 yrs later and should expect something from them you were mistaken, so move on and stop being bitter your no more important than anyone else no matter what you like to think.

I don't want a club period. If Disney chooses to create one geared to its most loyal fans then that's its choice. What it has created gives me nothing but a large yawn.

I was simply making a point about the whole 'charter' deal as yet another move by Disney to pressure fanbois into signing up for a no-substance club/program.

And as to your point (or what you believe counts as one) about me being no more important than anyone else, I'll politely try and explain about loyalty programs ... have you heard of frequent flier programs or hotel loyalty programs? I fly First Class for free 75% of my flights because I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on ONE airline and they reward me for my loyalty, which keeps me buying tix on said airline even when I can fly cheaper or direct on other carriers. Same thing with hotel chains, which give me free nights for my loyalty. I would think that even the simple-minded here could understand that someone who has had an AP since EPCOT Center debuted has been a very loyal consumer and has spent more than most guests (even those who buy into DVC) ... in Vegas terms I am a whale when it comes to Disney. But other than a 'huge' $72 discount, they offer absolutely no special perqs to us 'charter APers' ... none.

I think that's a very stupid way to treat your best customers.

And I am not bitter about it at all, disappointed long ago ... bitter, not at all. But thanks for the psycho-analysis.

Disney can and does decide what perqs to offer what groups.

~Fanbois Got It All Figured Out!~