All Magic Kingdom, All the Time (aka Has Disney given up on Space Mountain?)

[SirGoofy]

A Wall*E ride in that space would be nice. :lookaroun

Agreed. Buzz's time has come. It looks and feels incredibly cheap, especially for anyone who has been on TSMM or MIB, two attractions that are far superior. Bring on some WALL-E.

 

[disneysroyal411]

Yeah a Wall-E E ticket! I've already thought of the idea. Here's a little bit of info from it!

"Come on kids to the future Earth and join Wall- E and help him compact trash!"
Sorry this is sorta crabby but I thought it was funny when I thought of it. I mean what kid wants to COMPACT TRASH! :ROFLOL::lookaroun

 

[The Conundrum]

bulldozing buzz for a Wall-E would be appropriate since Wallz has to do with the future.

 

[Skip]

bulldozing buzz for a Wall-E would be appropriate since Wallz has to do with the future.

Not only would be set in the future, and be about our future, there's plenty of room for it to appeal to all ages and not just appeal to the little children (as Monsters and Stitch have done, thus "dumbing down" Tomorrowland). A Wall*E attraction has the potential to offer some subtle messages throughout the ride (much like in the movie with Buy*N*Large) as well as some more whimsical scenes like Eve and Wall*E dancing through space that would appeal to the younger ones... it could work out beautifully if you rode the "People Mover" seen on the massive ship, take a tour, view Wall*E and a few of the other robots exploits (without following the movies plot to rigidly) and then travelling back to earth in the big former "speed" room, where it ends on a happy, environmental-friendly note.

Could be excellent, really. Much better than our carnival cut-outs shoot-em-up toy ride.

 

[_Scar]

I watched Wall-E earlier and NOTHING came to mind in a form of an attraction besides walking through where Wall-E lived. Disney would never take a very popular attraction that has amazing theme, has withstood the test of time, and is getting refreshed with a new movie in a year. NEVER. Some movie's can't be made into rides. Even a Wall-E dark ride is tough!

edit- maybe a PHH with you on the Axsiom as a robot and you follow the lines and see all the havoc Wall-E is causing. *flexes* But that should replace Milf/SGE or both. How insane would it be to walk through that massive ship leading into TL?

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

ingenious huh? thats why thers a giant toy VIEWFINDER in the queue and rock-um sock-um robots in the ride?

lmao I'm going through your justifications now and there pretty bad. This whole "Its based on the toy story franchise but its an off shoot world where buzz is real but lives in a universe based on TOYSSSS!" is what we call a load of bulls***

It's ALMOST as crazy as some of Jt's wild stories.

You know...You were getting better...But yeah, you just killed off that hope.

Do your research, it's clearly a universe that is based in the TS's backstory on Buzz. Obviously it's TOY inspired.

I DO think that that is ingenious and creative, thankyouverymuch. BS is discrediting a valid opinion routed in fact.:wave:

A couple of things regarding the Buzz debate:

1) What's it matter if it's human Buzz or toy Buzz? Are people honestly contending there won't be toys in the future? The ride clearly involves space travel, whether in the real world or toy world, that is futuristic.

2) Who cares when the TV show priemered? That isn't fatal to any argument as to the attraction's current fit.

Here's another shot today in honor of our beloved, and delayed, TTA:

Thank you!

Thank you. The ride clearly is inspired by quite a few "toys"... I completely forgot about the rock'em sock'em robots and the references to not only Zurg being a toy, but placing him back in his "box" at the end of the ride to be returned to the store!

I'm not trying to antagonize you, Epcot Explorer, I just really don't like the idea of Buzz Lightyear and a bunch of toys being in Tomorrowland. If they were to make it a little less toy-like (no rock-em sock-em, no viewmasters, no toy boxes) then maybe I'd reconsider, but as it stands, the ride currently references "toys" a little too much for it not to be a coincidence.

A Wall*E ride in that space would be nice. :lookaroun

Oppinion, yes.

I still do not think that they are toys, however..Read the WDI MK Book.

 

[_Scar]

You know...You were getting better...But yeah, you just killed off that hope.

Do your research, it's clearly a universe that is based in the TS's backstory on Buzz. Obviously it's TOY inspired.

I DO think that that is ingenious and creative, thankyouverymuch. BS is discrediting a valid opinion routed in fact.:wave:
Thank you!

Oppinion, yes.

I still do not think that they are toys, however..Read the WDI MK Book.

MY idea of Buzz is like GI Joe toys. The toys obviously have a backstory and they made a movie about it and tv shows. Same with Toy Story.

 

[Skip]

An official Imagineering book isn't going to come out and say "yeah we realize this doesn't exactly fit into Tomorrowland, but marketing wanted it, so..." It's an official book. My opinion, and there is quite a bit of evidence supporting said opinion that's already been outlined, is that the ride is based around the show along with the fact that they are all toys. The former works, the latter doesn't. Remove the latter, the attraction works in Tomorrowland.

That said - the ride is weak. With newer, superior attractions like Midway Mania and Men in Black, so much more can be done with the space. Remember - lines do not exactly equal popularity. The fact that an omnimover has Fastpass is why the lines are so long... it creates unnecessary bottlenecks. I bet if they removed Fastpass the line would rarely exceed 30 minutes.

Wall*E CAN become an excellent dark ride if they use their imagination - keep the ride track intact and transform the vehicles into the People Mover system seen in the movie. Tour the Axiom, emphasize the environmental concerns, reference Buy*N*Large, return to Earth... bam, thematically appropriate, well-done dark ride.

 

[The Conundrum]

You know...You were getting better...But yeah, you just killed off that hope.

:veryconfu

Do your research, it's clearly a universe that is based in the TS's backstory on Buzz. Obviously it's TOY inspired.

So in other words "Its based on the toy story franchise but its an off shoot world where buzz is real but lives in a universe based on TOYSSSS!"

How convuluted

I DO think that that is ingenious and creative, thankyouverymuch. BS is discrediting a valid opinion routed in fact.:wave:
Thank you!

Oppinion, yes.

I didn't mean what you were saying was BS. I'm saying the justification created by WDI for pushing it into Tomorrowland is abunch of bull.

 

[headhoncho34]

An official Imagineering book isn't going to come out and say "yeah we realize this doesn't exactly fit into Tomorrowland, but marketing wanted it, so..." It's an official book. My opinion, and there is quite a bit of evidence supporting said opinion that's already been outlined, is that the ride is based around the show along with the fact that they are all toys. The former works, the latter doesn't. Remove the latter, the attraction works in Tomorrowland.

That said - the ride is weak. With newer, superior attractions like Midway Mania and Men in Black, so much more can be done with the space. Remember - lines do not exactly equal popularity. The fact that an omnimover has Fastpass is why the lines are so long... it creates unnecessary bottlenecks. I bet if they removed Fastpass the line would rarely exceed 30 minutes.

Wall*E CAN become an excellent dark ride if they use their imagination - keep the ride track intact and transform the vehicles into the People Mover system seen in the movie. Tour the Axiom, emphasize the environmental concerns, reference Buy*N*Large, return to Earth... bam, thematically appropriate, well-done dark ride.

Agreed but you have to admit, Buzz is still better than SGE and MILF. Id rather see those two attractions get the boot before anything else.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

MY idea of Buzz is like GI Joe toys. The toys obviously have a backstory and they made a movie about it and tv shows. Same with Toy Story.

Exactly!


It works.

An official Imagineering book isn't going to come out and say "yeah we realize this doesn't exactly fit into Tomorrowland, but marketing wanted it, so..." It's an official book. My opinion, and there is quite a bit of evidence supporting said opinion that's already been outlined, is that the ride is based around the show along with the fact that they are all toys. The former works, the latter doesn't. Remove the latter, the attraction works in Tomorrowland.

That said - the ride is weak. With newer, superior attractions like Midway Mania and Men in Black, so much more can be done with the space. Remember - lines do not exactly equal popularity. The fact that an omnimover has Fastpass is why the lines are so long... it creates unnecessary bottlenecks. I bet if they removed Fastpass the line would rarely exceed 30 minutes.

Wall*E CAN become an excellent dark ride if they use their imagination - keep the ride track intact and transform the vehicles into the People Mover system seen in the movie. Tour the Axiom, emphasize the environmental concerns, reference Buy*N*Large, return to Earth... bam, thematically appropriate, well-done dark ride.

I honestly have to believe the book here. the nature of the ride is Sci Fi, it works, I'm happy.

:veryconfu




So in other words "Its based on the toy story franchise but its an off shoot world where buzz is real but lives in a universe based on TOYSSSS!"

How convuluted



I didn't mean what you were saying was BS. I'm saying the justification created by WDI for pushing it into Tomorrowland is abunch of bull.

Play within a play.


Ever read Shakespeare?:wave:

 

[The Conundrum]

I also think its pointless that we now have 2 virtually identical rides at WDW. (Toy Story Mania and buzz) and there was a concept at one time for another in Frontierland called Woody's roundup.

WDI is amazing. Whats the first thing you think of in attraction terms when you hear the words Toy Story? interactive shooting game!

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I also think its pointless that we now have 2 virtually identical rides at WDW. (Toy Story Mania and buzz) and there was a concept at one time for another in Frontierland called Woody's roundup.

WDI is amazing. Whats the first thing you think of in attraction terms when you hear the words Toy Story? interactive shooting game!

True, but they both draw in crowds, and are both in a unique setting.

 

[Thrill Seeker]

I also think its pointless that we now have 2 virtually identical rides at WDW. (Toy Story Mania and buzz) and there was a concept at one time for another in Frontierland called Woody's roundup.

WDI is amazing. Whats the first thing you think of in attraction terms when you hear the words Toy Story? interactive shooting game!

Buzz and TSMM aren't anything alike. Sure they are both shooting based attractions based in the Toy Story universe, but they are vastly different in terms of the experience on each one. TSMM is a bit harder than Buzz mostly because of the way the attraction moves, but it's also a very different experience. I do believe Wall-E does belong in Tomorrowland, but not in place of Buzz. If anything I'd like to see Wall-E replace SGE. That would make more sense... Better yet, put him in The Land instead of Circle of Life...

 

[_Scar]

Buzz and TSMM aren't anything alike. Sure they are both shooting based attractions based in the Toy Story universe, but they are vastly different in terms of the experience on each one. TSMM is a bit harder than Buzz mostly because of the way the attraction moves, but it's also a very different experience. I do believe Wall-E does belong in Tomorrowland, but not in place of Buzz. If anything I'd like to see Wall-E replace SGE. That would make more sense... Better yet, put him in The Land instead of Circle of Life...

I agree! That's like saying Living with the Land and IASW are the same ride.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

I agree! That's like saying Living with the Land and IASW are the same ride.

Not to mention Walt designed scores of rides with exactly the same ride mechanism based on marketing his movies for Disneyland, if that is the criteria we are using.

I really don't think what we do now is so different than what he did then from a marketing and brand awareness perspective.

 

[The Mom]

:veryconfu



I didn't mean what you were saying was BS. I'm saying the justification created by WDI for pushing it into Tomorrowland is abunch of bull.

I read the statement. That might not have been what you meant, but it came across that way, so I edited it.

Again, be careful as you - and others around here - seem to be constantly walking that thin line between disagreement and insult, and debate and argument.

 

[Jasonflz]

Buzz and TSMM aren't anything alike. Sure they are both shooting based attractions based in the Toy Story universe, but they are vastly different in terms of the experience on each one. TSMM is a bit harder than Buzz mostly because of the way the attraction moves, but it's also a very different experience. I do believe Wall-E does belong in Tomorrowland, but not in place of Buzz. If anything I'd like to see Wall-E replace SGE. That would make more sense... Better yet, put him in The Land instead of Circle of Life...

Agreed on all points, however, SGE's space is so limited there is absolutely nothing you can do to get a satisfactory ride. Same if Wall-E was added to the old circle-vision building.

Also, why add him to The Land? DHS just received Pixar Place and still have only one attraction there. Not to mention the entire park is in need of something big. Why have Wall-E in some random place when you can have him at DHS, where needed.

 

[WDW Vacationer]

Thoght I'd jump in......

Buzz Lightyear fits......it IS futuristic. That is really all there is to say!

About WALL-E,Any Pixar attraction should go in Pixar Place. Buzz should not be removed however because a good attraction should not be removed if it fits better somewhere else,but fits the theme it is in.

Just my 2 cents!:wave:

 

[Jasonflz]

^ Agreed! Buzz shouldn't go in DHS anyway. There already is a Toy Story ride.