All Magic Kingdom, All the Time (aka Has Disney given up on Space Mountain?)

[Roxas]

I really don't understand your point. Are you saying that you're constrained to visit certain attractions or visit certain stores because Disney advertises a certain way? Or that Disney shouldn't build attractions because of the way it advertises?

Honestly, wouldn't it make more sense if Disney reviewed the content of the parks, determined where it has shortcomings, and build to those shortcomings? That seems more logical to me than to examine advertising, which could be skewed to appeal to certain demographics.

Disney itself acknowledges that it has become more female orientated in the last 10 years, isn't that the whole reason for the launch of the DisneyXD Channel?

 

[tirian]

Disney itself acknowledges that it has become more female orientated in the last 10 years, isn't that the whole reason for the launch of the DisneyXD Channel?

Yes, but the reasoning behind it is complicated. From a statistics standpoint, it's easier to market to female audiences because they follow trends, as opposed to males, who generally ignore pop-culture fads. Women spend more on smaller, impulse-based purchases too; and parents usually drop more money on daughters than sons. Thus, TV channels, movies, clothing, and retail stores often target little girls and teenagers; and the tween (10-13) boy demographic remains the most difficult to capture. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Disney launched the Princess, Fairy, and Bunnies brands while forgetting about all the Davy Crocketts, Peter Pans, and Buzz Lightyears running around the same homes.

 

[WDWFigment]

Disney itself acknowledges that it has become more female orientated in the last 10 years, isn't that the whole reason for the launch of the DisneyXD Channel?

What does a TV station have to do with a theme park? It doesn't matter what Disney is doing with other projects, some of which are decidedly female. If parents complain to Cast Members in the parks that there wasn't enough for their daughter to do, do you think those parents are going to accept, "Please check out our exciting new Disney XD channel as well as the Tinkerbell film as a nice balance to our male theme park attractions" as an acceptable answer?

Comparing apples to apples (i.e. theme park attractions to theme park attractions...within the same theme park) the Magic Kingdom offers more male-oriented attractions and lands than it does female oriented ones.

 

[imagineer boy]

I really don't understand your point. Are you saying that you're constrained to visit certain attractions or visit certain stores because Disney advertises a certain way? Or that Disney shouldn't build attractions because of the way it advertises?

Honestly, wouldn't it make more sense if Disney reviewed the content of the parks, determined where it has shortcomings, and build to those shortcomings? That seems more logical to me than to examine advertising, which could be skewed to appeal to certain demographics.

Well, its because of Disney's misleading marketing that I get misunderstood and teased at school for being obsessed with a "kiddie place" from what they judge in the commercials.

While its not a bad thing that Disney's advertising to parents with young kids, I think there should be more emphasis on advertising to teens and young adults since there's plenty of stuff for them to enjoy but Disney doesn't advertise it much.

 

[Figment632]

While FL expansion seems to be 100% aimed at little girls the other three parks seem to be aimed more towards males.

EC is a park about history and tech where all E tickets MS, TT, and even Soarin to a lesser extent are aimed more towards boys.

The only one you can say us more for females could be JII.

DAK : besides EE and CTX seems to be gender neutral.

 

[tirian]

I think that trying to divide attractions into "boy" or "girl" categories is preposterous. Although shows and meet-and-greets may be more boy or girl-specific, Disney does a good job making its rides appeal to everyone.

Besides, the Fantasyland expansion is going to attract both genders because parents will drag their kids along to see the super-cool new Mermaid ride. :lol:

 

[RSoxNo1]

Glad you guys like it. I had to burn my hands and knees on hot-as-heck pavement getting that shot. I love those Tomorrowland palms. I am really hoping Tomorrowland re-opens as one of the MK's premiere lands. It's already #1 in my head (there is nothing like being there after the park closes, all by yourself, surrounded in that neon listening to the area music), but any plussing will be greatly appreciated!

It looks like the fairies dark ride rumor is gaining some steam. Hopefully most of what's coming is clarified on September 12th. I think Disney will play most of its cards then, and we hopefully won't have as many wild rumors (as to what attractions are actually coming), and instead rumors will focus on the substance of announced plans. It will also be nice to see photo updates of progress of attractions. We haven't really gotten that with the Tomorrowland refurbishments (since they are all within existing structures), and I don't think we've really seen it since Pixar Place. Those updates are always fun.

Your photos look amazing, my biggest complaint is that they need to be formatted so that we can use them as wallpaper. I tried to put your Thunder Mountain photo as the background of my computer and no matter how I finagled it, it didn't look anywhere near as good as the smaller version.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I think that trying to divide attractions into "boy" or "girl" categories is preposterous. Although shows and meet-and-greets may be more boy or girl-specific, Disney does a good job making its rides appeal to everyone.

Besides, the Fantasyland expansion is going to attract both genders because parents will drag their kids along to see the super-cool new Mermaid ride. :lol:

This I agree with, who says MK is more geared towards boys than girls? Can someone really argue (well) that Splash and Space Mountain are truly gender based attractions? Only smaller things like Bibbity Bobbity Boutique scream of marketing towards a specific gender and age.

Everyone enjoys the park as a whole as as much as Disney puts ads out with 7 year old girls in princess outfits in front of the castle and has clearly based this upcoming expansion on girly franchises the park itself likely would have not continued to succeed had most of it only appealed to boys/males.

I think both genders will enjoy Little Mermaid and the Be Our Guest restaurant.

 

[SirGoofy]

I think that trying to divide attractions into "boy" or "girl" categories is preposterous. Although shows and meet-and-greets may be more boy or girl-specific, Disney does a good job making its rides appeal to everyone.

I agree. I've seen just as many girls super excited to ride the Jungle Cruise as boys. Most of the rides transcend genders.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I agree. I've seen just as many girls super excited to ride the Jungle Cruise as boys. Most of the rides transcend genders.

And that's why they have and will last.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Interesting marketing talk...

I would get involved, but my part has already been said...:lol:

Glad you guys like it. I had to burn my hands and knees on hot-as-heck pavement getting that shot. I love those Tomorrowland palms. I am really hoping Tomorrowland re-opens as one of the MK's premiere lands. It's already #1 in my head (there is nothing like being there after the park closes, all by yourself, surrounded in that neon listening to the area music), but any plussing will be greatly appreciated!

It looks like the fairies dark ride rumor is gaining some steam. Hopefully most of what's coming is clarified on September 12th. I think Disney will play most of its cards then, and we hopefully won't have as many wild rumors (as to what attractions are actually coming), and instead rumors will focus on the substance of announced plans. It will also be nice to see photo updates of progress of attractions. We haven't really gotten that with the Tomorrowland refurbishments (since they are all within existing structures), and I don't think we've really seen it since Pixar Place. Those updates are always fun.

Here's another shot of Tomorrowland. The ORIGINAL Tomorrowland Terrace:


The processing is a bit over-the-top on that one (what can I say, I got carried away), but I think it works.

By the way, if anyone gets sick of pictures posted in this thread, let me know and I will stop. I know it's an 'anything goes thread', but it's still in News and Rumors, and none of these pictures really entail any News or Rumors.

Agreed! I love TL at night. The new TTA Effect will only make it more awesome.

And nice second shot...Went in there this past trip. Was cool to turn off MSUSA and see it right there...I had forgotten about that.

 

[The Conundrum]

In order for Tomorrowland to prosper the gruesome threesome must go (buzz/monsters/stitch) not only do they not belong in the land but the attractions they are featured in are poor. They are certainly no "Radiator Springs Racers" or even "Snow White's Scary Aventure" level

Pixar belongs in Pixar Place

Stitch's popularity has died down and will continue to do so and nobody likes an obnoxious charecter barfing in there face (not even kids)

What the place needs is:

-Redone Space Mountain
-Overhauled TTA
-NEW E-ticket (based on an ORIGINAL CONCEPT)
-Redone COP

-If they most do a cartoon tie-in the only appropriate one would be Wall-E or John Carter but again why not Pixar Place.

 

[RSoxNo1]

In order for Tomorrowland to prosper the gruesome threesome must go (buzz/monsters/stitch) not only do they not belong in the land but the attractions they are featured in are poor. They are certainly no "Radiator Springs Racers" or even "Snow White's Scary Aventure" level

Disney has concluded that anything pertaining to Space or Aliens belongs in Tomorrowland. For that reason, Stitch and Buzz belong in Tomorrowland, and if we extend that to the interplanetary convention center than Monster's Inc Laugh Floor can also fit. I also don't expect Buzz to go anywhere anytime soon - it's a better ride than Snow White's Scary Adventures or Winnie the Pooh - It's not loaded with animatronics, but the Fantasyland dark rides aren't exactly loaded with top quality animatronics either.

 

[The Conundrum]

Disney has concluded that anything pertaining to Space or Aliens belongs in Tomorrowland. For that reason, Stitch and Buzz belong in Tomorrowland, and if we extend that to the interplanetary convention center than Monster's Inc Laugh Floor can also fit.

Buzz is a toy. How do toys pertain to space?

I also don't expect Buzz to go anywhere anytime soon - it's a better ride than Snow White's Scary Adventures or Winnie the Pooh .

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[Thrill Seeker]

Buzz is a toy. How do toys pertain to space?




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Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin ain't going anywhere. It's the single most popular ride that has ever been in that location and consistantly has a 15 - 45 minute wait. I'm hoping that perhaps for the 15th Anniversary of the attraction we can get some plussing (like maybe the online game like at Disneyland or the free form guns) to give the original shooting ride a new spark. That would be nice...

 

[Thrill Seeker]

Yes, but the reasoning behind it is complicated. From a statistics standpoint, it's easier to market to female audiences because they follow trends, as opposed to males, who generally ignore pop-culture fads. Women spend more on smaller, impulse-based purchases too; and parents usually drop more money on daughters than sons. Thus, TV channels, movies, clothing, and retail stores often target little girls and teenagers; and the tween (10-13) boy demographic remains the most difficult to capture. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Disney launched the Princess, Fairy, and Bunnies brands while forgetting about all the Davy Crocketts, Peter Pans, and Buzz Lightyears running around the same homes.

If you need any proof of that, go to Downtown Disney and look inside Tren-D. It's a very scatterbrained store filled with lots of little things specifically for a female audience.

At least Disney did launch the Pirate League to try to attract little boys to play dress up... I'd like to see a space themed one, maybe for Tomorrowland someday...

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Buzz is a toy. How do toys pertain to space?

If you pay attention to the Backstory, you will find that this is not the "Toy Buzz" but rather the "Real Buzz". They have taken the storyline alluded to in TS1 and TS2 and created a whole attraction out of it.


Quite ingenious.

 

[Figment632]

Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin ain't going anywhere. It's the single most popular ride that has ever been in that location and consistantly has a 15 - 45 minute wait. I'm hoping that perhaps for the 15th Anniversary of the attraction we can get some plussing (like maybe the online game like at Disneyland or the free form guns) to give the original shooting ride a new spark. That would be nice...

That 30 to 45 minute wait is not accurate and the ride would not have it without FP. It is an omnimover ride thaw away FP and even during peak times the ride would have a 20 minute wait at the most.

 

[Skip]

If you pay attention to the Backstory, you will find that this is not the "Toy Buzz" but rather the "Real Buzz". They have taken the storyline alluded to in TS1 and TS2 and created a whole attraction out of it.


Quite ingenious.

Then why are we using a viewmaster in the preshow, not to mention searching for BATTERIES during the ride?

As for Buzz > Snow White/Winnie the Pooh... no. Buzz is far too slow and open to be comparable with the quick, in your face dark rides. As a shooting ride it's mediocre - as a dark ride it's pretty bad.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Then why are we using a viewmaster in the preshow, not to mention searching for BATTERIES during the ride?

As for Buzz > Snow White/Winnie the Pooh... no. Buzz is far too slow and open to be comparable with the quick, in your face dark rides. As a shooting ride it's mediocre - as a dark ride it's pretty bad.

Tie-ins to the storyline. :wave: The "Real Buzz" Universe is based off of toys.