headhoncho34
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True i think Disneyland would have kept its perfection if it didnt add California Adventure to the equation. Epcot is still perfect if you take UOE, HISTA and JII out of the picture.
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All Magic Kingdom, All the Time (aka Has Disney given up on Space Mountain?)
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headhoncho34
Member
One word TDO!!!!Having been to all four of those parks, I would very much agree with you.
It's very odd how Disney let Magic Kingdom Park at WDW get into the state it is in. It wasn't overnight, it was bit by bit, small decision by big decision, with several different executive teams to blame, over the course of a couple of decades. But look what it is today compared to what it could have been had they taken different paths, and it's rather unfortunate what Magic Kingdom now offers to its guests.
Just a really weird place for Magic Kingdom to find itself in after 35 years.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
We're talking individual parks here, not resorts.
The funny thing is that Easterners complain about "not being immersed in the Disney magic" when they visit Disneyland Resort because it is in an urban environment instead of the wilderness like WDW. But compared to Tokyo Disney Resort, the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim is set in the Garden of Eden.
Tokyo Disney Resort, while having fabulous parks and hotels, runs smack up against gritty urban Tokyo with giant cement freeways and rather sad looking working class housing tracts alongside industrial warehouse districts with elevated trains running overhead. There are few trees, and even fewer planned design elements in the property immediately surrounding Tokyo Disney Resort. It's fairly clean and safe around Tokyo Disney Resort, but it sure isn't attractive. But take three steps onto the Tokyo property and it's a very pleasant place.
Anaheim's Resort District immediately surrounding Disneyland is like paradise in comparison to Tokyo.
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
You have a problem with them actually adding something new and from a real production to a stale backlot tour whose preshow stars the 10 year old "Pearl Harbor"?
I may not care for Hannah Montana, but something on that tour is better than nothing.:hammer:
Studios Fan
Active Member
I wouldn't mind him in DHS but Wall-E could fit in with Tomorrowland as others have said. But yes, Pixar Place needs something else.
krankenstein
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Agreed in full.
_Scar
Active Member
Buzz fits VERY well. Can we end that?
DAK and TDS, to me, are the most perfect. They both transport you to different worlds and immerse you in theme and fun.
MK is close to perfection. It just needs refurbishment. If they kept all the rides in the park right now and changed FL theme and fixed up the minor things (like the dirty Buzz que) they'd be perfect.
MK does have wishes, arguably one of the best firework shows ever.
DAK and TDS, to me, are the most perfect. They both transport you to different worlds and immerse you in theme and fun.
MK is close to perfection. It just needs refurbishment. If they kept all the rides in the park right now and changed FL theme and fixed up the minor things (like the dirty Buzz que) they'd be perfect.
MK does have wishes, arguably one of the best firework shows ever.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Agreed and agreed.
FP NEEDS to go for Buzz...The queue and the ride suffers for it.
Could you imagine it with sets!? Wow!
Add DAK and TDS in there.:wave:
WDW Vacationer
Active Member
I still think any additional Pixar attraction should go in Pixar Place. If there will be a WALL-E attarction...it should go there.
EPCOT Explorer
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Skip
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Touching on the topic of perfect parks... from what I know and have seen, I consider the following parks to be considered relatively "perfect":
Disneyland Park California
Tokyo Disneyland Park
Tokyo Disney Sea
80's EPCOT Center
EPCOT Center was excellent until the cartoon-ification began. It was excellent especially in the late 80's when Wonders of Life, Horizons, and Living Seas were all up and running... World of Motion and Journey into Imagination existed... and the park was distinctly adult in its intended audience.
If Disneyland Park had better maintenance and perhaps one more additional E-Ticket (the absence of Jungle Cruise & Splash Mountain is very apparent) it could probably be considered "perfect" as well. I wish I could consider Disney's Animal Kingdom to be perfect, and it almost could be... however, the lack of proper maintenance on Everest (along with its horrific back-view from the parking lot), as well as the horridness that is Chester & Hester's Dino-Rama, accounts for it not being put up there with the others. Magic Kingdom, plain and simple, is not perfect whatsoever. Compared to the Tokyo or California equivalents, it's not even comparable.
Now, as for Buzz - no, it does not "perfectly" fit in Tomorrowland. Right now, it "sort of" fits - which isn't enough, at least for me. Like I said earlier - get rid of the toy references, the ride suddenly works well because it's based in a sci-fi fantasy future... which is Tomorrowland's theme. Remove Fastpass, waits go down drastically, need for the attraction is reduced. Stitch has very little space for a new attraction, and Monsters is too new to be replaced... I suppose they could incorporate the Axiom Escape Pod sequence into the Stitch theaters, but I still think a dark ride in Buzz Lightyear's space would be incredible if given the proper budget & execution. And as for the idea of all future Pixar attractions going into Pixar Place - Wall*E fits better in Tomorrowland than Pixar Place. Monsters anything fits better in Pixar Place than Tomorrowland. Very clear distinction there.
Disneyland Park California
Tokyo Disneyland Park
Tokyo Disney Sea
80's EPCOT Center
EPCOT Center was excellent until the cartoon-ification began. It was excellent especially in the late 80's when Wonders of Life, Horizons, and Living Seas were all up and running... World of Motion and Journey into Imagination existed... and the park was distinctly adult in its intended audience.
If Disneyland Park had better maintenance and perhaps one more additional E-Ticket (the absence of Jungle Cruise & Splash Mountain is very apparent) it could probably be considered "perfect" as well. I wish I could consider Disney's Animal Kingdom to be perfect, and it almost could be... however, the lack of proper maintenance on Everest (along with its horrific back-view from the parking lot), as well as the horridness that is Chester & Hester's Dino-Rama, accounts for it not being put up there with the others. Magic Kingdom, plain and simple, is not perfect whatsoever. Compared to the Tokyo or California equivalents, it's not even comparable.
Now, as for Buzz - no, it does not "perfectly" fit in Tomorrowland. Right now, it "sort of" fits - which isn't enough, at least for me. Like I said earlier - get rid of the toy references, the ride suddenly works well because it's based in a sci-fi fantasy future... which is Tomorrowland's theme. Remove Fastpass, waits go down drastically, need for the attraction is reduced. Stitch has very little space for a new attraction, and Monsters is too new to be replaced... I suppose they could incorporate the Axiom Escape Pod sequence into the Stitch theaters, but I still think a dark ride in Buzz Lightyear's space would be incredible if given the proper budget & execution. And as for the idea of all future Pixar attractions going into Pixar Place - Wall*E fits better in Tomorrowland than Pixar Place. Monsters anything fits better in Pixar Place than Tomorrowland. Very clear distinction there.
EPCOT Explorer
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Early 90's too!
One could even say that the initial Epcot'94 was good, too. The newer more "modern" future was needed, seeing that they had given up on the optimistic and grand future of the 80's.
However, Epcot'94 was given up on, too.
Early 90's too!
One could even say that the initial Epcot'94 was good, too. The newer more "modern" future was needed, seeing that they had given up on the optimistic and grand future of the 80's.
However, Epcot'94 was given up on, too.
Honestly for me, Innoventions (along with the rebranding of the park to epcot'94) marked the beginning of the downward spiral.
Replacing food rocks w/ soarin, wand removal and bringing back Epcot Center merchandise were steps in the right direction but then that kinda fizzled out and were back to cartoon tie-ins, garish coloring, and poor business decisions.
The Land is really the only Future World pavillion left that is of true Epcot quality.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Right....If they would have done it in a more tasteful way (like SSE94!) the park would have been better off as a whole.
The Land, yes. SSE, too....But that only covers the ascent.
_Scar
Active Member
But nothing about The Land pavillion is futuristic.
Anyways, I wouldn't mind if BTMRR was bulldozed for a grander version of the ride or something else. The last time I rode it everything was so LOUD and I felt like the track was about to break. I had to cover my ears going up the first hill. I'd almost want a river rapids western ride in there. Dono why, but our BTMRR doesn't float my boat.
Anyways, I wouldn't mind if BTMRR was bulldozed for a grander version of the ride or something else. The last time I rode it everything was so LOUD and I felt like the track was about to break. I had to cover my ears going up the first hill. I'd almost want a river rapids western ride in there. Dono why, but our BTMRR doesn't float my boat.
RSoxNo1
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80s EPCOT Center was my favorite park at the time, but that incarnation of EPCOT would not work today. I enjoy the thrill rides, although I feel that Test Track and Mission: Space are two of the poorest thrill attractions on property. I also feel that Soarin' Over the World will have the feel of a Classic EPCOT experience.
SirGoofy
Member
Big Thunder Mountain at night is the best coaster on WDW property.
tirian
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I haven't experienced Everest - but I would imagine when fully functioning, that it would surpass Thunder at night.
tirian
Well-Known Member
Nope, not really. EE feels faster–and therefore shorter—at night, plus there's very little atmosphere, unlike BTMRR. (IMHO, of course.)