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A Lingering Question
- Thread starter WED Purist
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Sorry you think you come across like that. My point was I don't think I can add anymore to the fact the parks are equally for the young and young at heart.
I'm 40 and iasw is a must for my GF and I each visit. As is Rock n Rollercoaster. Both can be enjoyed by a variety of ages groups on a whole series of levels.
MickeyPeace
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Do you have to let it linger. Do you have to? Do you have to?
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lazyboy97o
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The attraction was intended to be a meaningful experience and also what is expected of a World's Fair. Theyre not amusement parks. Meaning is also what set Disneyland apart. It was to make EPCOT a model and gave rise to the EPCOT Center.
It is not simple disagreement. You're arguing a point that is the opposite of what was and is repeatedly stated by Walt Disney and the original Imagineers. I mentioned the Eddie Sotto threads earlier and they deserve mention again. Read his stories. You do not include the amount of layering that is in Disney's most successful work if it is aimed primarily at kids. Go read the Long Forgotten blog, which minutely discusses the steeped literary traditions that fill The Haunted Mansion. Oddly enough you are taking a position that is usually held by those who see the Disney parks as something negative and detrimental to society.
J03Y
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well obviously you're not the norm. the norm is someone who isn't obsessed with Disney the way we are. and i've said that multiple times and used the term average park guest. i never said you intentionally to mean specifically you.
slappy magoo
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It's a hole. You can stop digging now.
Oh no, I didn't think you meant spefically me. Didn't cross my mind.
slappy magoo
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"To all who come to this happy place; welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past...and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams and the hard facts that have created America...with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world." - Walt Disney
"i just said that it's PRIMARILY for kids. but it also includes things for people out of elementary school."
but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.
don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.
first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland." - J03Y
Hmmmm...whose opinion on Disney parks holds more validity...a stranger on the internet...or the guy who done come up with it up there in his thinkbone?
"i just said that it's PRIMARILY for kids. but it also includes things for people out of elementary school."
but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.
don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.
first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland." - J03Y
Hmmmm...whose opinion on Disney parks holds more validity...a stranger on the internet...or the guy who done come up with it up there in his thinkbone?
dave&di
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What the h... is going on here,fully agree with Empress Lilly,this is a Disney site.:shrug:Hope that new bloggers don't think that this is the norm.
This!!! Although actually it is pretty much the norm!!!
J03Y
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okay...his rides had clever cameos. so? the average park guest doesn't care, but those who do care find it interesting. but the ones who are interested aren't the norm and do see the parks as a place to let their kids have fun and don't primarily think of it as a place for adults.
even if that tagline is legit, everyone has always seen it as a place for their kids with activities that just so happen to be for them as well. that's just people, and throwing examples of Walt Disney saying otherwise doesn't throw the stereotype out the window.
and i love WDW, which i've said multiple times and i've obsessed over the Fantasyland Expansion since before it was conceived. if you could ask my friends and family, they'd tell you that i'm the one who is obsessed ridiculously about Disney and the Magic Kingdom. but to back up what i said, i'm not the norm. i'm not the average teen/adult. and i accept that. i'm perfectly fine with the undeniable truth, it doesn't take the magic away from me. i'm still going to obsess over Disney despite knowing these things. to understand the positive means i have to understand the negatives. that is the essence of balance and that's what makes me love Disney, the sense of balance i have with all the things.
What about the countless guests who visit without kids?
J03Y
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because he wasn't trying to get people to come to his new park back then.
of course he would sell it as a place for children of all ages, but seriously did you even read what i said? Fantasyland? for adults? and back then the other lands barely had anything. Splash Mountain and Thunder Mountain didn't even exist, so that makes Frontierland not as appealing for adults. then Adventureland didn't have the magic carpets and the Tiki Room was ridiculously long. Tomorrowland was barren as well. the park then was most especially for kids.
and despite the changes made, MK is still for kids.
J03Y
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i like how we keep dodging "average guests". obviously those aren't the average guests :brick:
With all due respect, just what do you happen to know about the "average guest?"
Whaaattt... To be an average guest you have to have kids??
Monty
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I'm a kid at heart, so when I go without Morgan, it still counts as a kid, right? :animwink:
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Which is certainly one of the reasons he televised the grand opening ceremony live. To keep the new park a secret from the rest of the nation and all......
GLaDOS
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I don't know why I'm bothering, but the 70s (or 50s, if we're talking DIsneyland) were a different time. People had never seen things like the Tiki Room and Country Bear Jamboree. People of all ages were blown away by the technology. So yea, it was for EVERYONE.
J03Y
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um for starters, they're the obvious tourists. i live in both Miami and Orlando. the two places in the country, much less Florida, that get lots of tourists. not saying i'm an expert, but i can distinguish what the average guest at the parks are.
they come with their kids wearing tacky Disney t-shirts that you can tell they literally just bought. they're loud, obnoxious, RUDE (sdfhfksj don't get me started on their rudeness) and get on the ride with their kids despite the fact that they aren't supposed to bring a specific one on. and for some reason Space Mountain is the one i see it the most with :lookaroun i dont even know why.
they're also, a lot of times, the ones who are completely ignorant of Disney and act as everything is new to them. there was this lady once who almost took her obvious 2-year-old onto Dinosaur. she thought it was a movie and turned to her and was like "um, ma'am...this is a scary dark ride..." she turned around and walked off.
i've been to Disney and lived in Miami long enough to know who the average park guest is. the average guest, doesn't care about the specificity you are all getting into. they go to Disney to let their kids go crazy on Dumbo or the carousel.
mergatroid
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I agree
I've been going for over 30 years and have always marvelled at the number of childless guests.
I've been going for over 30 years and have always marvelled at the number of childless guests.