A Lingering Question

[marni1971]

Because a lot of people know how high the quality USED to be.

Quite a few people know a lot from behind the scenes and the decisions made for profit or through incompetence.

Because we love the place much and know it should be better than it is. If it seems Wonderful now how about it being possible to be even better? It's not about lIving in the 70s or 80s, but building on the standards of the era, from show quality to attraction standards, scope and maintainence.

Plus there are some who do seem to jump on the bandwagon.
And a few Who are just idiots.

 

[MaxsDad]

So, why is there such an arrogant, condescending tone in so many posts? And why all the personal attacks? Don't people understand that someone's opinion may be different, without being wrong?

Good question.

 

[Dads 2 Boys]

Allow me to touch this subject.

Most of the people posting here do not seem to go to the parks. They make baseless accusations about things they have no real knowledge about.

How do I know this?

Simple, if they actually went to the parks, they would still understand they are indeed a fantastic way to get away from the real world and enjoy a vacation with loved ones.

Disney World, is nothing more than that.

See a lot of posters here feel they are entitled to this fantastic myth about Disney World being this slum where every dollar and cent is being squeezed out of people for the sake of profit. Disney is allowed to make as much money as they possibly can, they offer a unique vacation no other resort can match, and factual numbers will back that statement until the world ends.

The "old days", for lack of a better term, is another myth being branded about on many boards, but that is nothing but a feable excuse to complain. The "old days" were not better than today, Iam enjoying bursting this bubble every chance I get, the only difference is, there was no internet in the "old days" where people can post about chipped paint, broken bulbs and whatever else people feel the need to bring up. Guess what, all that crap was there too, there just was no way to relay information instantly as there is now.

Disney World is not broke, it does not need fixing, there is just a small band of people who feel the need to whine about something to feel better because they have no real power to change anything associated with Disney's resorts, and they never will.

For Crying Out Loud.


Jimmy Thick-Actually going to Disney World next month!!!

:lookaroun Sometimes you do come up with some damn impressive posts and this is one of them.

Folks, some (and please read that word again) of the negative posters are taking 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand accounts of what's going on in WDW. Let's also remember that just because it's "not the way it used to be" doesn't mean it's worse.......that is your opinion and/or perception.

For example, the constant clamoring around here for the old attractions is a waste of time. Furthermore, those attractions are not necessarily better than the replacements. They were replaced for a reason yes? If they were so damn good, why were they replaced?

 

[xdan0920]

and the initial purpose for Disney is to aim at adults?

first and foremost, Disney is for kids. now, i never said there weren't other things adults could do.

you're being obtuse about this. who ever said that a gentle kids ride was supposed to satisfy an adult? it doesn't, not the average one at least. the reason rides like Small World, Peter Pan's Flight and even Journey into Imagination even exist is to satisfy kids. NOT people over 11 years old. that's just the way it is. denying it doesn't make it any less true.

The idea was to build a park parents and children could both enjoy.

 

[Sharkreef11]

I am literally choking on the hypocrisy.



And what does this make you? You are whining about the whiners.

Your joking right??

 

[xdan0920]

:lookaroun Sometimes you do come up with some damn impressive posts and this is one of them.

Folks, some (and please read that word again) of the negative posters are taking 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand accounts of what's going on in WDW. Let's also remember that just because it's "not the way it used to be" doesn't mean it's worse.......that is your opinion and/or perception.

For example, the constant clamoring around here for the old attractions is a waste of time. Furthermore, those attractions are not necessarily better than the replacements. They were replaced for a reason yes? If they were so damn good, why were they replaced?

What constant clamoring? Can you link to a thread or two that are longingly wishing for extinct attractions to come back?

 

[xdan0920]

Your joking right??

No. I am not.

 

[GLaDOS]

and the initial purpose for Disney is to aim at adults?

No, the initial purpose of Disney was to entertain people of all ages.

who ever said that a gentle kids ride was supposed to satisfy an adult? the reason rides like Small World, Peter Pan's Flight and even Journey into Imagination even exist is to satisfy kids. NOT people over 11 years old. that's just the way it is. denying it doesn't make it any less true.

You're kidding, right? Saying it's a small world, PPF, and especially the original Imagination weren't made to be enjoyed by everyone is a fairly ignorant statement. The rides were treats for the eyes with small details included children wouldn't even begin to comprehend. They didn't talk down to their audience like the current crop of attractions do, and were maid with incredible attention to detail.

 

[J03Y]

The idea was to build a park parents and children could both enjoy.

yes, which is why there are also things adults can do.

but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.

don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.

first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland.

 

[Sharkreef11]

No. I am not.

Who do you think you are?? How am I whining about whiners? Get a clue. I pointed out that all some people do is whine. So that makes me whining about them?? Wow good call.

 

[xdan0920]

Who do you think you are?? How am I whining about whiners? Get a clue. I pointed out that all some people do is whine. So that makes me whining about them?? Wow good call.

I am me. You are whining about other people whining about the state of the parks. You did more then point it out, you commented on it. Yes it does. Thanks?

 

[GLaDOS]

yes, which is why there are also things adults can do.

but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.

don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.

first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland.

Do yourself a favor and find how WDW was marketed in the 70s. There's nothing about it being a kid's wonderland. It's all about drawing in families and yes, even heavily marketed towards older individuals. The place was never, ever, ever designed in a majority way for only the kiddy range.

And if you think that is the case, you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[marni1971]

For example, the constant clamoring around here for the old attractions is a waste of time. Furthermore, those attractions are not necessarily better than the replacements. They were replaced for a reason yes? If they were so damn good, why were they replaced?

On the whole? The replacement attractions are easier and cheaper to run.

 

[xdan0920]

yes, which is why there are also things adults can do.

but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.

don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.

first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland.

Um, I would comment, but I am certain someone more eloquent then myself will go ahead and set you straight.

 

[J03Y]

No, the initial purpose of Disney was to entertain people of all ages.



You're kidding, right? Saying it's a small world, PPF, and especially the original Imagination weren't made to be enjoyed by everyone is a fairly ignorant statement. The rides were treats for the eyes with small details included children wouldn't even begin to comprehend. They didn't talk down to their audience like the current crop of attractions do, and were maid with incredible attention to detail.

1. okay, that's a tagline. you know, like "BURGER KING! WHERE YOU CAN HAVE IT YOUR WAY!" please. WDW is for kids, and it was also designed to have some aspects for teens and adults. primarily, it's to entertain kids while also being able to give the adults something to do while their kids were having fun.

have you seen the majority of adults (the average adult) at Disney. they look miserable. they're not doing it for themselves, they're doing it for the kids.

2. It's A Small World is a kid ride. :lookaroun it's so blatantly obvious it's for kids, and kids alone, to enjoy.

and who said that the characters had to talk down to you in order for it to be made for kids? :lookaroun that's not a rule. the dialogue usually is what gives it away. Journey Into Imagination is all over that with its dialogue. even the old version was like that.

3. the rides tell stories. what is your point "with small details included children wouldn't even begin to comprehend." i understand completely what was going on in the Haunted Mansion when i was 2 years old. so your saying just because they're younger than 10, it means they won't understand the details? THAT is ignorant.

4. detail doesn't make it adult-friendly. it just makes it detailed.

 

[Sharkreef11]

I am me. You are whining about other people whining about the state of the parks. You did more then point it out, you commented on it. Yes it does. Thanks?

Thank you for setting me straight. I really appreciate your help. :hurl:

 

[xdan0920]

2. It's A Small World is a kid ride. :lookaroun it's so blatantly obvious it's for kids, and kids alone, to enjoy.

Do you have any idea of the history of It's a Small World? I assume the answer is no.

 

[xdan0920]

Thank you for setting me straight. I really appreciate your help. :hurl:

You are very welcome. :wave:

 

[GLaDOS]

Do you have any idea of the history of It's a Small World? I assume the answer is no.

It's not worth it. Better to just ignore it. :wave:

 

[J03Y]

Do yourself a favor and find how WDW was marketed in the 70s. There's nothing about it being a kid's wonderland. It's all about drawing in families and yes, even heavily marketed towards older individuals. The place was never, ever, ever designed in a majority way for only the kiddy range.

And if you think that is the case, you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

because advertisements and reality are the same thing.

*hint of sarcasm*

why do you people deny the obvious truth? i see it, but i still love Disney World. it's not like admitting it makes the magic go away. the magic is still there, but you accept the truth for what it is, and move on yeesh.

Disney is a marketing beast. you really don't think that they'd come up with taglines galore just to get people to come to that place?

and, again as i mentioned, i never said there wasn't anything for adults to do. and please emphasize where i said that, or gave the impression. Disney has things for adults, and teens, yes. that is true. but notice how there is more stuff for KIDS there is for ADULTS.