A Lingering Question

[wm49rs]

um for starters, they're the obvious tourists. i live in both Miami and Orlando. the two places in the country, much less Florida, that get lots of tourists. not saying i'm an expert, but i can distinguish what the average guest at the parks are.

they come with their kids wearing tacky Disney t-shirts that you can tell they literally just bought. they're loud, obnoxious, RUDE (sdfhfksj don't get me started on their rudeness) and get on the ride with their kids despite the fact that they aren't supposed to bring a specific one on. and for some reason Space Mountain is the one i see it the most with :lookaroun i dont even know why.

they're also, a lot of times, the ones who are completely ignorant of Disney and act as everything is new to them. there was this lady once who almost took her obvious 2-year-old onto Dinosaur. she thought it was a movie and turned to her and was like "um, ma'am...this is a scary dark ride..." she turned around and walked off.

i've been to Disney and lived in Miami long enough to know who the average park guest is. the average guest, doesn't care about the specificity you are all getting into. they go to Disney to let their kids go crazy on Dumbo or the carousel.

No, you've lived in your locales to have developed a characterization of the average tourist that fits your needs for this argument. Which is not the same as "knowing" them in any regard.

 

[J03Y]

I don't know why I'm bothering, but the 70s (or 50s, if we're talking DIsneyland) were a different time. People had never seen things like the Tiki Room and Country Bear Jamboree. People of all ages were blown away by the technology. So yea, it was for EVERYONE.

maybe then, but compare that to a decade later, and now a century later. compare that to how it is NOW.

NOW people don't care. do you even know the world you live in???

 

[marni1971]

That's more of a stereotype. Dear oh dear.

 

[marni1971]

This thread has more turns than a roundabout.

 

[J03Y]

No, you've lived in your locales to have developed a characterization of the average tourist that fits your needs for this argument. Which is not the same as "knowing" them in any regard.

oh and you do? because you know exactly what a tourist is?

and i have been to places other than Miami fyi. i've been to Europe a million times and back. i've even been to Africa.

i've been to Disneyland and i've seen practically the same thing i've seen in Disney World.

and if i'm SOOO wrong, why don't you describe what the average park guest is?

 

[GLaDOS]

maybe then, but compare that to a decade later, and now a century later. compare that to how it is NOW.

NOW people don't care. do you even know the world you live in???

Have you seen the lines the Tiki Room has gotten since it reopened? It's pretty impressive. Or the fact that rides like the Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates continuously wow guests, which is reflected by the incredibly high guest satisfaction scores they get.

I'd call that a general amount of caring. Maybe you have no idea about the world you live in.

 

[marni1971]

Is there such thing as an "average guest" outside of demographics?

 

[J03Y]

That's more of a stereotype. Dear oh dear.

a stereotype that isn't far from the truth. i know it sounds horrible, but pay attention to your surroundings and TA-DAAA, you see the plague of obnoxious tourists that make the average park guests.

 

[xdan0920]

a stereotype that isn't far from the truth. i know it sounds horrible, but pay attention to your surroundings and TA-DAAA, you see the plague of obnoxious tourists that make the average park guests.

You have gone well off the reservation.

 

[marni1971]

I think I'll watch this one from the sidelines now.

 

[GLaDOS]

I think I'll watch this one from the sidelines now.

Probably for the best:lol:

 

[wm49rs]

oh and you do? because you know exactly what a tourist is?

and i have been to places other than Miami fyi. i've been to Europe a million times and back. i've even been to Africa.

i've been to Disneyland and i've seen practically the same thing i've seen in Disney World.

and if i'm SOOO wrong, why don't you describe what the average park guest is?

No, but I'm not claiming some omniscient knowledge as to them either. Or using it as the basis of an argument.

And I choose not to stereotype, for the exact reason that there is no "average" guest. Disney may have certain demographics identified (and even targeted), but there is no one "average."

 

[J03Y]

Have you seen the lines the Tiki Room has gotten since it reopened? It's pretty impressive. Or the fact that rides like the Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates continuously wow guests, which is reflected by the incredibly high guest satisfaction scores they get.

I'd call that a general amount of caring. Maybe you have no idea about the world you live in.

don't change the subject.

they're sit-down attractions perfect for days when people don't feel like walking for half the day. that's not something special, that's simple logic, and the kids adore them which is a bonus.

 

[MichWolv]

Because a lot of people know how high the quality USED to be.

Quite a few people know a lot from behind the scenes and the decisions made for profit or through incompetence.

Because we love the place much and know it should be better than it is. If it seems Wonderful now how about it being possible to be even better? It's not about lIving in the 70s or 80s, but building on the standards of the era, from show quality to attraction standards, scope and maintainence.

Plus there are some who do seem to jump on the bandwagon.
And a few Who are just idiots.

Well said. Although the idiots may number more than just a few. :lookaroun

Who do you think you are?? How am I whining about whiners? Get a clue. I pointed out that all some people do is whine. So that makes me whining about them?? Wow good call.

You are whining about xdan, though, aren't you?

yes, which is why there are also things adults can do.

but don't tell me that Walt Disney built Fantasyland thinking it would appeal to adults.

don't tell me that he built Tomorrowland, Adventureland... ALL of Magic Kingdom thinking that those rides would appeal to adults. the only real upside to Snow White and Haunted Mansion for adults there was, was that they were all sit-down rides. the rides are meant to keep the kids occupied. that's what the Magic Kingdom is. to keep the kids occupied, and maybe squeeze in a few things for the adults to enjoy while their kids were running around going crazy on Dumbo.

first and foremost, Disney is a kid's wonderland.

Don't tell me that you have actually studied up on the building of Disneyland, and still believe that it was designed primarily for kids, as opposed to families.

I respected your request of what not to tell you. So I hope you'll respect mine. Don't tell me.

 

[GLaDOS]

don't change the subject.

I didn't. I pointed out the rides you claim "no one cares about" have excellent guest satisfaction ratings and attendance, proving you wrong.

they're sit-down attractions perfect for days when people don't feel like walking for half the day. that's not something special, that's simple logic, and the kids adore them which is a bonus.

You do realize like 99% of attractions are sit down ones, right?:lol:

Okay, I'm done with you. You're obviously in this to be contrarian. I've provided you time and time again with factual evidence, only to have you basically stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!"

Enjoy your ignorance. I hear it's bliss.

 

[J03Y]

No, but I'm not claiming some omniscient knowledge as to them either. Or using it as the basis of an argument.

And I choose not to stereotype, for the exact reason that there is no "average" guest. Disney may have certain demographics identified (and even targeted), but there is no one "average."

this isn't some liberal war. there are specific types of park guests and "choosing" to not believe it doesn't make that less true. there are just people that make up the majority of those who visit the park. the CEOs come up with the statistics so that they can make new and renovated attractions to accommodate the needs and wants of the guests.

just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[wm49rs]

this isn't some liberal war. there are specific types of park guests and "choosing" to not believe it doesn't make that less true. there are just people that make up the majority of those who visit the park. the CEOs come up with the statistics so that they can make new and renovated attractions to accommodate the needs and wants of the guests.

just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true.

Um, might be best to keep politics (or political adjectives) out of the threads, considering they're strictly forbidden....

And you realize the converse of your last statement holds true for you as well....

 

[J03Y]

I didn't. I pointed out the rides you claim "no one cares about" have excellent guest satisfaction ratings and attendance, proving you wrong.



You do realize like 99% of attractions are sit down ones, right?:lol:

Okay, I'm done with you. You're obviously in this to be contrarian. I've provided you time and time again with factual evidence, only to have you basically stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!"

Enjoy your ignorance. I hear it's bliss.

1. where did i say no one cared about those rides? i've never said nobody cared about the rides. people do, but then again they were made to satisfy the fact that the park is big and people will get tired of walking. why walk a long way when you can go on a nice, slow and air conditioned ride? that's simple strategy and educated guessing on Walt's part which is clever indeed.

2. and 99% of those attractions have lines, which boils down to which one has the shortest wait time so they can sit down and rest their feet faster.

3. :ROFLOL: what "factual" evidence? i haven't seen anything with "facts".

 

[slappy magoo]

um for starters, they're the obvious tourists. i live in both Miami and Orlando. the two places in the country, much less Florida, that get lots of tourists. not saying i'm an expert, but i can distinguish what the average guest at the parks are.

"Guest-dar?"

they come with their kids wearing tacky Disney t-shirts that you can tell they literally just bought.

People wearing new theme park shirts while at a theme park. The audacity.

they're loud, obnoxious, RUDE (sdfhfksj don't get me started on their rudeness) and get on the ride with their kids despite the fact that they aren't supposed to bring a specific one on. and for some reason Space Mountain is the one i see it the most with :lookaroun i dont even know why.

Not supposed to bring a specific child? Children not supposed to bring a specific parent? Are random parents supposed to take random children on the rides, and then do some kind of square dance at the end so every kid leaves with the grownup whut brung 'em?

they're also, a lot of times, the ones who are completely ignorant of Disney and act as everything is new to them. there was this lady once who almost took her obvious 2-year-old onto Dinosaur. she thought it was a movie and turned to her and was like "um, ma'am...this is a scary dark ride..." she turned around and walked off.

So it's a place that's geared for kids and everyone knows it, and they prove it by bringing children on rides that are inappropriate for their ages. That makes all the sense in the HUH?

i've been to Disney and lived in Miami long enough to know who the average park guest is. the average guest, doesn't care about the specificity you are all getting into. they go to Disney to let their kids go crazy on Dumbo or the carousel.

The only "specificity" anyone is getting into is that WDW is a place that's not strictly geared for children. It's got elements that are kid-specific, but even you acknowledge there are elements that aren't for kids, yet you're making it out to be the world's largest & most expensive Ikea ball pit...but you're hilarious while you do it.

Let us know when you can see China from that hole. And thank you...thank you for the laughter. I never got the chance to thank Richard Pryor for the joy he brought to my days, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice.

 

[J03Y]

Um, might be best to keep politics (or political adjectives) out of the threads, considering they're strictly forbidden....

And you realize the converse of your last statement holds true for you as well....

ignoring what i said just because it had a political word and only focusing on the last sentence doesn't make you clever. it just means you tried to avoid what i was saying. and this entire time you have all been trying to only makes sense of what you want. you can;t just go around and pin this on me and say that i'm "missing the point" when you are too, and you too are picking and choosing what to believe so that it suits your views. at least i'm making and effort to understand what you have to say. but i can't understand if you don't explain. and so far your "explanations" and "factual evidences" have been nothing but recycled Disney taglines and stories you have regurgitated to each other so much that it's all become synthetic truth.

and all the point of what i was initially trying to say was that generations of kids change over time and therefore the parks have to change to what the new demographic wants to see. you sensitive girls :brick: i wasn't trying to offend anyone with my statement.