Okay your so smart tell me what protection I lose? As far as I can tell every charge still has to be proven by Disney to be mine. I can still dispute the charge if part of its wrong. I have given up nothing. Now if you tell me I can't dispute a charge just because it's not a separate transaction that will prove you know nothing about the law.
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AEfx
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That's exactly what I am saying.
I explained it quite fully already - there is a huge legal difference between a series of single credit card transactions individually authorized directly by your credit card company and one lump charge that you have a side agreement with Disney, who is not a banking institution and not covered by banking regulations, to make. It's night and day.
I'm not going to repeat myself again because you either didn't pay attention or lack the ability to understand. (Though now I almost feel bad for you, because the only thing worse than not knowing your rights is thinking you have rights that you do not have. Almost, because your constant self-contradictions are telling me that if you are not a troll you do a very good impersonation of one.)
All that said - you just said a minute ago that you didn't care about losing any protections - so it really doesn't matter, does it?
themonkeyisthesultan
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EPCOT was announced more than 15 years before it opened.
The side agreement with Disney does not eliminate my rights. I was charged by Marriott once for incidental charges on my hotel charge. I disputed it over a charge of over $1000.00 because of a charge for something less than $10.00. As a result the entire charge for the weekend was credited to my account. So again where are my rights not protected? .
Next Big Thing
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That would be Kristoff and you'd be surprised how popular he is.
TeriofTerror
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Yes, most of this information was previously established. I was sad to hear that the speeders were off the table. I'm sincerely hoping that something was missed, otherwise the only new attraction I heard discussed was the spinning x-wings. If that's seriously all they decide to do, I will be livid.
Please don't post twitter feeds, hot links to other websites, etc. I don't like it when I'm talked about elsewhere (although before you post online/twitter/podcast you should consider the consequences) so please don't do it here. It's OK to discuss things happening on other sites (but no hot links, please - and we do have an informal agreement with certain sites that we will not discuss each other after some past unpleasantness) but please keep personalities out of it. Thank you.
Just out of curiosity - who credited your account? The credit card company, or Marriot? When something similar happened to me, the hotel did the total charge back as a good will gesture. The credit card company did not force them to make any correction - they did it on their own.
TeriofTerror
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My favorite part is #4: Let's Get Spontaneous. Because we all know their idea of spontaneity will be with "surprising" me with FPs for MILF and Magic Carpets of Aladdin. Gee, thanks.
ParentsOf4
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I like what you write but just wanted to comment on a few things.To be honest, I'm not sure I agree with this analogy completely. I think it's very well-articulated and thought out but I feel it may be too theoretical of an example to categorically claim that FP+ will increase wait times. I think there are several variable left out of this equation that could account for change in the results.
One of which is the time in which the FP+ time is distributed at. If your FP+ is scheduled for an hour when the park is at its highest crowd level of the day, and (at least from our observations) CMs tend to favor FP to standby when allowing the guests to proceed to either the ride or further waiting area. If a ride is at its peak crowd level and FP people are being allowed through, naturally the line will either feel, or actually be, longer than if the stand-by simply continues to move.
Another variable is that the example above makes it seem as if the return time is a definitive, exact time, and not a window of time. FP is an hour window. If the 501st person in line (who 'cut' the line in the analogy) got a return time of 10am-11am, he could have returned anywhere between that period. Let's say the 502nd person got a return time of 10:05am-11:05am.
If the 502nd person decides to ride at 10:05am and the 501st person decides to ride at 11:00am, doesn't the 501st person essentially 'wait' longer to ride than the 502nd, but on his own terms?
And doesn't the amount of time it takes to ride in the FP line depend on:
1) the length of the queue itself (in terms of walking distance)
2) the amount of people in the FP line
3) the amount of people in the Stand-by line
If FP+ are distributed in 5 min intervals, which I think they are, essentially there is an opportunity for people with 12 different FP time windows to either decide to ride at the same time, disperse evenly, or a mix of both. But again this is all dependent on the individual's choice of when to ride in that time interval. I feel it's not so much about cutting as it is an individual's decision when to ride combined with other factors that you can't assume remain constant.
Like for instance. If you have a FP+ for Space Mountain from 8-9pm and you know the parade is on at 9 which means lines usually dissipate right beforehand and during the parade, you decide to use FP+ at 8:40 so that you can ride quickly as Stand-by starts to get smaller, then get right back on stand-by because the line is short. Two for the price of one!
But an inexperienced Disney traveler with the same time window might decide to use it at 8 when the Stand-by line is 60 mins or so. That person will have waited in line (not a theoretical line, but an actual line) longer than the fellow who used his FP at a different time.
You'd get two different reviews of FP+ from those two guests simply because they used their FP+ at different times.
I think over time we are going to get conflicting reviews based on these variables. I don't think we will see the unanimous decision for either FP+ makes lines shorter or longer. It will be a mix of both, I feel.
And to me, this seems like the old FP system, with the only difference being that you can schedule your FPs two months in advance. Which golly gee, Disney really provided a game-changer with that one! Now I can reserve my magic band, where I'm eating and now where and when i'm riding all at the same time...2 Billion Dollars well spent
Yes, you are correct, my simplified example is not intended to fully represent the incredibly complex dynamics associated with WDW's multiple queuing system, which itself is made more complicated by human behavior.
As Disney changes its system, guests change their behavior, making it difficult to predict outcome. I suspect Disney has an entire team of specialists working on this and even they get it wrong, which is why we see the system being tweaked from time-to-time.
Instead, I was presenting a simplified version of how a multi-line system with a shared resource is limited by the capacity of the resource. No matter how people are queued, Peter Pan can only load a fixed number of guests per hour.
To be clear, when the entire system (i.e. all attractions at WDW) is considered as a whole, FP+ should not make wait times any longer or shorter than FP.
However, there are a few factors at play.
First, especially at Epcot and DHS which have tiering, FP+ encourages guests to use secondary attractions. These secondary attractions often have unused excess capacity. Thus, FP+ might help slightly reduce lines on their most popular attractions.
Second, offsetting this (potentially by a lot) is one of FP+ stated objectives. The goal is to get guests to pre-plan their visits, the idea being that if they have 'appointments' at WDW for every single day of their vacations, they are less likely to wander off WDW property and spend their money elsewhere. If successful, this would increase attendance, resulting in longer lines.
Third, FP+ helps distribute ride capacity more evenly between WDW rookies and WDW experts. The days of me FastPassing both Soarin' and Test Track on the same day are over.
Fourth, what seems to be having the biggest effect on Standby lines is the new DAS policy. This policy is completely unrelated to FP+.
Stepping back and judging FP+ based on its effects on WDW guests as an entire group, my opinion is that FP+ is just different than FP, not better or worse.
However, I'm also of the opinion that WDW and Universal would be more enjoyable if their preferred line systems were eliminated. Preferred line systems make standby lines longer by altering the allocation of wait times. Stated simply, guests in preferred lines wait less; guests in standby lines wait more. Ultimately, it's still a zero-sum game.
Preferred line systems are created because they help companies monetize attractions, not because they are 'better' for guests.
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This is what happened. As I previously posted I check my credit card daily. I called my bank, explained I was over charged and they reversed the transaction. They also called The Marriot. The General Manager called me and we worked it out. I could have gotten a free stay but I would never do that. I pay for what I use. Maybe because I pay my credit card company over 5 figures a month I get better service but I still have my protection.
I appreciated the info.
Tigger1988
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The mods have stated more than once in this thread (and their previous incarnations) that tweets aren't to be posted like that. Doesn't matter if you knew about Tom or not.
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They could. If not two.
Tigger1988
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1. It's an internet based ad, they're hitting the exact demographic they want to with this.Are you kidding me? They're advertising with characters that are no longer in parks and, probably, not even known by anyone under 25 years old.
Take that Universal.
2. How many people under 25 are booking their own trips?
3 years to the day to build.
Development of what we know began about '77 for two years.
EPCOT Center - 36 months
Diagon Alley / London / Gringotts / HE - 30 months.
Big Thundermountain - 22 months.
Splash Mountain - 22 months.
Transformers - 13 months.
Dwarf Coaster - 33 months.
TalkingHead
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4 hour wait for Gringotts at 8:15? Just a fad.
Tigger1988
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The horrible capacity they're running right now is also a huge factor in wait times. It's two fold.