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The Spirited 8th Wonder (WDW's Future & You!)
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RayTheFirefly
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I guess I'm the only one who finds it attractive? Haha. I thought the lobby was the least attractive part, actually. Those big Kirkland's-like art pieces behind the desk... 
Jennifer66
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It's very simple: average individual income is not the same (at all) as per capita income. Look it up if you don't know the difference.
sweetpee_1993
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Well, its a lot nicer, better detailed, and luxurious than the same-old same-old that Disney offers. I'd love to stay here sometime if I have lodging needs in Central Florida.
SandraAnn
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I gotta say, I don't think I get the Four Season's strategy here.
They're not even going to get 60 days ahead for FastPass Plus? Boy there are going to be some ticked off wealthy "guests" when they get to the parks and can't ride Mine Train or see Anna and Elsa! Even the Swan and Dolphin managed to negotiate the 60 days ahead.
I've stayed at Four Seasons hotels, and they are wonderful. And the prices on the Orlando one aren't that out of reach. But I have to say, I would still choose to pay cash to stay at a monorail or Epcot resort over the Four Seasons, (as long as the rooms don't get any dingier than they already are.) There is value in location.
I dunno, I guess I don't get it. I could see the appeal for wealthy international guests who are coming to Orlando/U.S. mainly to shop versus visit the Disney parks, which perhaps are just a side attraction for them. Or maybe the FS will attract the folks who just do a VIP Tour for a day or two and be done with it.
It's interesting anyway. I wonder if there will be a hurry to negotiate the 60 day prebooking privilege with Disney once it opens and they get a bunch of ticked off guests yelling at them.
PrincessNelly_NJ
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Well it didn't say they wouldn't get those things, but it did says talks were in the works to get guest access to events in the parks. I'm sure they will eventually.
Cesar R M
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I'm surprised that Disney allied with them to provide character dinning too.
sweetpee_1993
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I see your point but the truly affluent won't be bothered with any of this stuff. They'll go VIP, do everything they want, and call it a day. Then they'll return to their true upscale environment.
Phil12
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That's just the way we roll.
sweetpee_1993
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Roll on, Bubba.
SandraAnn
Active Member
That's true. I think it will appeal to people who aren't coming to Orlando only for the Disney parks, for whatever reason, where something else is primary. Then it's not really going to be a competitor to the Disney deluxes, unfortunately.
SandraAnn
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Probably. I'm sure the FS will pay whatever to get something if it's important.
Stevek
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I thought we paid either $149 or $179, my wife thought it was closer to $200+. Imagine how surprised I was when 4 years later the prices were dramatically higher...hence one of the reasons we ended up staying at POP, which I actually enjoyed despite the smaller bed. We paid just over $100/night right after Thanksgiving, something we were willing to do to stay in the bubble despite much cheaper rooms at let's say Marriott...where I could have gotten a room in the $50-$75 range thanks to a family and friends rate. Sometimes ya gotta bite the bullet when you have kids as they wanted Disney and quite honestly, I was ok with the price.
GoofGoof
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There are a lot of people who travel a lot for work who frequently stay at a Four Seasons who will probably be interested. Probably some who will want to play a round of golf or spend a day at the spa and/or shop. I don't think it will take away from the hard core, theme park commando, Disney fan crowd at the deluxes. It may take away from some of the business travelers who may book there instead of one of the deluxes if they are at a conference nearby.
PrincessNelly_NJ
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The Four Seasons transportation runs buses every 30 minutes to the parks ans will also offer private car/driver services to parks for an additional fee. They will also provide transportation to Universal for a fee.
maxairmike
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Remember that the land that the Four Seasons and Golden Oak sit on are no longer "controlled" by Reedy Creek, they were de-annexed before they started building. However, the area is still listed on the District's land maps, as is the Celebration land, since I believe they are the ones providing utility and emergency services to the Four Seasons and Golden Oak property.
As to if the District has a design board or visual design guidelines, I don't believe they do (remember, Disney has many different themes spread throughout property), as I've never seen or heard of one. But, as I mentioned above, I don't think it would matter if they did, as the land is no longer "within" the District.
Goofyernmost
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If Disney is providing utilities to the land, it can still remain as part of the District. It doesn't have to own the land, but it still owns the right of ways that are used for the utilities, be they water, sewer or electricity. For it to leave that district another district would need to be established and Disney paid off to transfer the ownership of those utilities.
ParentsOf4
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Looking at the numbers, it appears to me that DVC is here to stay, with a steadily growing presence at WDW. Up through 2042, I suspect the number of DVC rooms will roughly double, while WDW will slowly shed some Deluxe and Moderate Resort rooms.
With the addition of VGF, there are 47M DVC points at WDW, corresponding to 3100 2-bedroom villa equivalents. The current sales pace is roughly 1.5M points per year.
VGF will sell out next year. The Poly DVC will open with something around 3M points, taking WDW into 2017.
As needed, Disney will continue to convert existing hotel rooms or build new DVC units to get them to 2042. Assuming the sales rate of ~1.5M points per year continues, that means Disney will need to create another 38M points over a 25-year period, corresponding to roughly another 2500 2-bedroom villas.
IMHO, WDW's market easily can absorb an additional 2500 units over a 25-year period, as long as Disney does a competent job of maintaining the WDW brand.
For example, the current Wilderness Lodge has 727 rooms, roughly split equally between two wings. Converting one wing to DVC should produce about 120 DVC units. Add in the rumored tepee Grand Villas and that's about another 3M points, good for another 2 years of inventory, taking WDW to 2019.
In 2042, DVC contracts begin to expire at OKW, BWV, BCV, and VWL, returning 17M points back to Disney.
17M points all at once will be too much for the market to absorb, so existing DVC members likely will be offered contract extensions. However, expect Disney to price these extensions aggressively as they will want to recapture several million points for resale.
Addressing one of the points of this thread, converting additional Wilderness Lodge rooms into DVC fits nicely into this strategy.
With the addition of VGF, there are 47M DVC points at WDW, corresponding to 3100 2-bedroom villa equivalents. The current sales pace is roughly 1.5M points per year.
VGF will sell out next year. The Poly DVC will open with something around 3M points, taking WDW into 2017.
As needed, Disney will continue to convert existing hotel rooms or build new DVC units to get them to 2042. Assuming the sales rate of ~1.5M points per year continues, that means Disney will need to create another 38M points over a 25-year period, corresponding to roughly another 2500 2-bedroom villas.
IMHO, WDW's market easily can absorb an additional 2500 units over a 25-year period, as long as Disney does a competent job of maintaining the WDW brand.
For example, the current Wilderness Lodge has 727 rooms, roughly split equally between two wings. Converting one wing to DVC should produce about 120 DVC units. Add in the rumored tepee Grand Villas and that's about another 3M points, good for another 2 years of inventory, taking WDW to 2019.
In 2042, DVC contracts begin to expire at OKW, BWV, BCV, and VWL, returning 17M points back to Disney.
17M points all at once will be too much for the market to absorb, so existing DVC members likely will be offered contract extensions. However, expect Disney to price these extensions aggressively as they will want to recapture several million points for resale.
Addressing one of the points of this thread, converting additional Wilderness Lodge rooms into DVC fits nicely into this strategy.
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RSoxNo1
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Have you thought about why they don't trust it though? I suspect that that they have consultants telling them, "it's a 35 year old franchise and we know how much rebooting a 25 year old franchise (Tron) failed..." I've had this conversation with my father who has a similar line of thinking. With no disrespect intended towards him, I would think that a company the size of Disney has someone other than risk averse yes men working for them. The last time they were bold with anything Walt Disney World related was 2003 when they opened Mission: SPACE. Everything else since has been low risk additions.
RSoxNo1
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Aside from Radiator Springs Racers, what have they built stateside in the last 10 years that raised the bar?