Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

[GoofGoof]

Iger's and Rasulo's greatest legacy is pricing families out of WDW.

So sad...but so true.

Maybe even more sad is those families who were priced out are still going back. Paying the bloated prices is hard enough to stomach. Going into debt to do it, borders on insane.

 

[Clever Name]

Going into debt to do it, borders on insane.

That was said about Walt and Roy when they built Disneyland.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Anyway… Iron Man 3

DW and I left the kids at home to watch Iron Man 3. It delivers big and its target audience should love it.

Even with the amount they owe to Paramount for distribution rights, Disney should clear a bundle.

 

[bubbles1812]

You amuse me in that you think I continuously derail this thread. I'm sorry I do not believe everything some random anonymous poster says on the Internet. If that is derailment, then I think you are just too close-minded. Tell you what, just ignore my posts and you won't have to see me "derail" this thread anymore (seriously, who even says that about an Internet forum...that's up there with "putting chinks in the armor"'crazy).

I wasnt calling it derailment because you didnt agree with everything I said, but the contents of many of your posts are questionable. But *yawn* man, we moved on awhile ago. If you want the last word, that's your prerogative, and I'm sure you won't be able to resist.

Also, it's fairly easy to derail a thread... Apparently you are blind to the many trolls that come on. I could go into a thread and start saying "Mickey Mouse sucks and everyone who likes Disney is an idiot" and wa-laa, I can guarantee the topic would no longer be about what the thread was about. Everyone else seemed to get my meaning just fine.

But anyways...@ParentsOf4, out of curiosity, how much do they have to pay Paramount for distribution rights? And when does that end for them? I'm glad that you enjoyed it Were your kids sad you didnt take them?

 

[ParentsOf4]

But always...@ParentsOf4, out of curiosity, how much do they have to pay Paramount for distribution rights? And when does that end for them? I'm glad that you enjoyed it Were your kids sad you didnt take them?

I believe Disney owes Paramount a guaranteed $115M combined for the distribution rights for Avengers and Iron Man 3. I believe Iron Man 3 is the last film that was included as part of this settlement. Paramount doesn't have to do anything so this amount is almost pure profit for Paramount and pure expense for Disney.

 

[bubbles1812]

I believe Disney owes Paramount a guaranteed $115M combined for the distribution rights for Avengers and Iron Man 3. I believe Iron Man 3 is the last film that was included as part of this settlement. Paramount doesn't have to do anything so this amount is almost pure profit for Paramount and pure expense for Disney.

Gotta be a happy day for Paramount. Between IM3 and Star Trek they are going to have a very happy start to summer. Going to be so curious how the other Marvel sequels do. Know they did relatively well but none of them are IM.

 

[englanddg]

Gotta be a happy day for Paramount. Between IM3 and Star Trek they are going to have a very happy start to summer. Going to be so curious how the other Marvel sequels do. Know they did relatively well but none of them are IM.

From what I've read so-far, IM3 is getting lackluster reviews.

But, I'll still probably go see it.

 

[bubbles1812]

From what I've read so-far, IM3 is getting lackluster reviews.

But, I'll still probably go see it.

78% cumulative on Rotten Tomatoes... That's not too bad right? Not sure what the others got but I believe at least better than IM2? (Which I wasnt at all impressed with...was so blah)

 

[HMF]

To your point @GiveMeTheMusic I think TWDC would be better off as a privately held corporation.

AMEN!

 

[englanddg]

78% cumulative on Rotten Tomatoes... That's not too bad right? Not sure what the others got but I believe at least better than IM2? (Which I wasnt at all impressed with...was so blah)

I skipped the second one, and Thor. By then I was so burned out about them ruining super heros (Spiderman 2 - 3, Superman reboot) that I was just skipping them all.

I didn't get back into them until Captain America, which was suprisingly good!

I caught up on all of the rest before seeing Avengers.

I will ask this question...why do they feel that more villians and more characters make sequels better with superhero movies? It's the same trap the Batman series fell into after the Keaton movies (and heck, Batman 2 had 2 villians, I started to wonder if the series number meant how many bad guys there were to fight!)...

It means you really don't have any time to connect with the character of the evil guy, understanding why they are evil (or not understanding it at all)...think about it. The best super hero movies have ONE villian. They may have multiple heros. But ONE over-arching bad guy. Not 3 or 4...

Meh...private rant.

 

[HMF]

I believe Disney owes Paramount a guaranteed $115M combined for the distribution rights for Avengers and Iron Man 3. I believe Iron Man 3 is the last film that was included as part of this settlement. Paramount doesn't have to do anything so this amount is almost pure profit for Paramount and pure expense for Disney.

Which is why it was stupid to buy Marvel in the first place since Disney now has to split costs with rival studios and parks. The logic behind the Marvel acquisition still confounds me.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Which is why it was stupid to buy Marvel in the first place since Disney now has to split costs with rival studios and parks. The logic behind the Marvel acquisition still confounds me.

The logic behind the Marvel acquisition?
- Avengers 2, 3, & 4
- Iron Man 4, 5, & 6
- Thor 2 & 3
- etc.

As long as the super hero well doesn't run dry, Disney will be milking this cow for a while.

Between the Marvel & Lucas deals, Disney came about as close as possible to a sure thing in the film industry. These types of deals are right in Iger's wheelhouse. Iger's not looking to make a classic, he's looking for the quick big money. By the time the public has grown tired of these, Iger will have moved on. But for now, churn 'em and burn 'em.

 

[marni1971]

That was said about Walt and Roy when they built Disneyland.

But that was very different.

 

[MattM]

I wasnt calling it derailment because you didnt agree with everything I said, but the contents of many of your posts are questionable. But *yawn* man, we moved on awhile ago. If you want the last word, that's your prerogative, and I'm sure you won't be able to resist.

Also, it's fairly easy to derail a thread... Apparently you are blind to the many trolls that come on. I could go into a thread and start saying "Mickey Mouse sucks and everyone who likes Disney is an idiot" and wa-laa, I can guarantee the topic would no longer be about what the thread was about. Everyone else seemed to get my meaning just fine.

But anyways...@ParentsOf4, out of curiosity, how much do they have to pay Paramount for distribution rights? And when does that end for them? I'm glad that you enjoyed it Were your kids sad you didnt take them?

Ok, "bubbles1812". Good luck!

 

[MattM]

Which is why it was stupid to buy Marvel in the first place since Disney now has to split costs with rival studios and parks. The logic behind the Marvel acquisition still confounds me.

Not necessarily. Better to have a small slice of a big pie than no slice at all

 

[Goofyernmost]

Clever Name said: ↑

That was said about Walt and Roy when they built Disneyland.​

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But that was very different.

Main Difference...Disneyland was an investment with the possibility of return revenue. Your vacation is pure unadulterated expense, no return, just memories and it's not deductible against your other income.

 

[jt04]

Uh, No. Children need to experience success, happiness, and being treated fairly from an early age, even if it is artificial or even has to be "manufactured" in rare instances. It's part of development, and it's important. They most certainly do not need to get the mistaken idea that some children are better than they are because their parents choose to spend more money.

Now, there is nothing wrong with a parent deciding to spend more to obtain a "premium" experience for their child, but you don't rub it in to all the other kids who are getting the basic service. For instance, in a character meal each family may receive roughly a similar amount of interaction; Mickey doesn't enter the room, spend 15 minutes at one table, then walk out ignoring all the other kids.

There will be enough disappointment in everyone's life. Meeting Mickey should be a happy moment, not a lesson in how life can be cruel and unfair. There is enough of that in the real world.

Obviously Disney (or anyone else for that matter) does not rub it in people's faces the very simple fact of life that there are different levels of service. The vast majority of people flying to WDW walk through 'First Class' to get to their coach seats. These type things happen daily and are unavoidable. And these lessons are not lost on supposed fragile sensitivities of children. Are you suggesting airlines be forced to get rid of First Class?

That the mouse might provide different levels of service for those who want and can afford them is a great thing. And feigning outrage that 'this just wouldn't be fair' (wahhhhhhh ) , is the ultimate straw dog argument.

Some of you need to reexamine your lives. Try visiting a third world country and then come back and try to make the case of the 'unfairness' of value resorts vs. deluxe to the sensitivities and feelings of 'the children'.

Excuse me, I think I need to puke.

 

[jt04]

Why is it OK for a rich powerful executive to treat his employees like garbage to be discarded the first time profits aren't increasing fast enough and treat his customers like wallets to be emptied so he can get a bigger bonus, yet when those same employees and customers complain about that executive's behavior, they somehow are demonstrating a sense of entitlement?

Perhaps, just perhaps, that executive should treat his employees and customers like people, not garbage and wallets.

It was Walt Disney who said:

It also was Walt who said:

It's sad to see how far The Walt Disney Company has strayed from Walt's dream.

Weird the number of repeat visits Disney parks get for such a terrible place. Nobody is forced to visit or work there. If you do not like it you can leave.

Then start your own theme park. You could make it a perfect place for everyone and call it Shangri-La.

 

[jt04]

What are you even talking about anymore?

First recent post I saw from you was about keeping the monorails to hotel guests only. Now you're talking about how little kids these days are so entitled, and how entitlement is basically the road to communism? It is not entitled to want things that you paid for and expected to receive due to the premium. This is a tenet of capitalism.

Walt Disney created Disneyland for everyone. What you're espousing is the typical use of "entitlement" in this day and age - "Those in charge should decide everything. Be happy with what you have." That is not okay. It is stagnation and ignoring your base. It's a philosophy of work ethic where work ethic doesn't apply. Not everyone is made equal, but do we have to make them less equal at WDW like you're proposing?

Please, rethink your positions. You've set this up so that everyone that doesn't think your way is unamerican and possibly communist. That's frankly kind of crazy, dude.

Thanks for reminding me about the monorail idea. I will work on that after D23.

I always know I have hit close to the bulls eye when someone resorts to name calling to avoid a discussion or distract from the facts.

Have you written Disney yet to request they get rid of deluxe resorts? Or perhaps all the restaurants should only be allowed to serve chicken nuggets and oat meal because not everyone can afford prime rib.

Then we can all feel equal.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Weird the number of repeat visits Disney parks get for such a terrible place. Nobody is forced to visit or work there. If you do not like it you can leave.

U.S. attendance at WDW is declining, propped up only by foreign nations' affluent class who now make up almost one-quarter of WDW's guests. These guests are taking advantage of a weak dollar caused by decisions made by business leaders that hurt the average American family.

As for me, I've been going to Universal lately even though I'm sitting on a stack of WDW "no expiration" tickets I bought back in 2005 because, even then, I could tell which way the wind was going to blow under Iger. But not everyone has the means to purchase of thousands of dollars worth of tickets before price increases. While Iger continues to talk about "pricing leverage", most Americans are slowly but surely being priced out of WDW.