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Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter
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So, without really wanting to go too deep into this, should the kids of more affluent parents be made to feel guilty because their parents are able to provide more for them?
bubbles1812
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Come on man. Obviously I was taking the logic to the extreme. But that's sometimes where we do end up as a society. There are the "haves" and the "have nots." Is that seriously the attitude you want rampant at Disney World? That's what you want kids to walk out with? Not happy memories but just the sense that life isn't fair? There is basic service that everyone should get but if you take their logic.. What I posted is where you end up. Based on your response, I guess you are in the JT camp of delusion.Yea, because that's where we logically end up...
ParentsOf4
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Why is it OK for a rich powerful executive to treat his employees like garbage to be discarded the first time profits aren't increasing fast enough and treat his customers like wallets to be emptied so he can get a bigger bonus, yet when those same employees and customers complain about that executive's behavior, they somehow are demonstrating a sense of entitlement?
Perhaps, just perhaps, that executive should treat his employees and customers like people, not garbage and wallets.
It was Walt Disney who said:
It also was Walt who said:
It's sad to see how far The Walt Disney Company has strayed from Walt's dream.
I am of the opinion that nothing in life is free, some things cost more than others, and some are able to afford it and others are not. If you're at Disney in the first place, you are not a "dregg" as mentioned here because you're dropping a couple grand minimum. If you're able to pay up for extras above the baseline experience, good for you. It seems to be this board's popular opinion that being successful in this country is a crime. But it's hard to blame them when we hear that from certain "leaders" on a daily basis.
Disney is a business and if they are able to get extra money for extra services, good for them. Disney only owes the guest what is printed on the back of the ticket.
If that makes me delusional in anyone's opinion here, then I will try and not lose any sleep over it.
All this based on a hypothetical situation too.
CDavid
Well-Known Member
Why would you want to make a child of more affluent parents feel guilty just because they have something other children may not be so fortunate to possess? Now, if they come out of it thinking they are better than other kids, or if they go around bragging, showing off, and generally putting other children down who didn't get as much personal time with the characters or something, that's a very different matter.
I don't, but that seems to be the general position of the board.
luv
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I have never been impressed by people who don't know me at all using my name because they saw it in a computer or on a credit card. It's a little "too familiar" and feels very impersonal, honestly. Just makes it glaringly obvious that they are attempting to be personal when we don't really know each other. I could live without that.
I don't know if kids will like it or not.
But, even adding in the no-turnstile thing, hardly worth a billion and a half dollars.
I think Disney is spending their money on the wrong stuff.
I don't know if kids will like it or not.
But, even adding in the no-turnstile thing, hardly worth a billion and a half dollars.
I think Disney is spending their money on the wrong stuff.
bubbles1812
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I do not think people should be penalized. If you can afford a deluxe, by all means go for it. But I also think there should be a basic level of service offered that is not contingent on how much you can pay. Now to go back to that original example cited... Someone getting a 15 plus minute character interaction while the next kid gets 1 minute. I do not think that type of thing has a place at Disney. Yes life isn't fair and no the entitled attitudes of many is stupid, but again, this is Disney World. It should not become a place where harsh life lessons are suddenly a common part of a visit. And taking that mentality you and JT seem so keen on would get us there. Nothing like seeing many kids upset at Disney World because Mickey Mouse didnt like them as much as the last kid. Sounds like the Happiest Place on Earth to me...
Soarin' Over Pgh
Well-Known Member
There's a time and a place to teach your children that life isn't fair. Sometimes you don't always get what you want, sometimes life sucks. And someone has to be the janitor, but no one aspires to be the janitor.
Disney is not that place.
Disney is not that place.
IHeartArt
Active Member
What are you even talking about anymore?
First recent post I saw from you was about keeping the monorails to hotel guests only. Now you're talking about how little kids these days are so entitled, and how entitlement is basically the road to communism? It is not entitled to want things that you paid for and expected to receive due to the premium. This is a tenet of capitalism.
Walt Disney created Disneyland for everyone. What you're espousing is the typical use of "entitlement" in this day and age - "Those in charge should decide everything. Be happy with what you have." That is not okay. It is stagnation and ignoring your base. It's a philosophy of work ethic where work ethic doesn't apply. Not everyone is made equal, but do we have to make them less equal at WDW like you're proposing?
Please, rethink your positions. You've set this up so that everyone that doesn't think your way is unamerican and possibly communist. That's frankly kind of crazy, dude.
Soarin' Over Pgh
Well-Known Member
What are you even talking about anymore?
First recent post I saw from you was about keeping the monorails to hotel guests only. Now you're talking about how little kids these days are so entitled, and how entitlement is basically the road to communism? It is not entitled to want things that you paid for and expected to receive due to the premium. This is a tenet of capitalism.
Walt Disney created Disneyland for everyone. What you're espousing is the typical use of "entitlement" in this day and age - "Those in charge should decide everything. Be happy with what you have." That is not okay. It is stagnation and ignoring your base. It's a philosophy of work ethic where work ethic doesn't apply. Not everyone is made equal, but do we have to make them less equal at WDW like you're proposing?
Please, rethink your positions. You've set this up so that everyone that doesn't think your way is unamerican and possibly communist. That's frankly kind of crazy, dude.
Needs repeating. Many, many, many times. Especially bolded part.
GiveMeTheMusic
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IHeartArt
Active Member
Fixed that for you.
At extremely affordable prices and with free attractions for those who couldn't pay for the larger ones, yes. :3
There is a basic level of service provided, and the terms are on the back of your ticket. That is all you are entitled to with park admission.
bubbles1812
Well-Known Member
Gotcha. Ill make sure to explain that all the four year olds when they ask why Mickey won't meet with them. Will be super fun to see them try to understand they dont have enough money for Mickey to be willing to see them. Maybe we can even have them sound out the words and practice their reading. You know, to make sure they really understand that life isn't fair. I really want to see them cry. Like I said, sounds like the Happiest Place on Earth.
Clever Name
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The free attractions were paid for by sponsors and were advertisements for the respective sponsor's products. It had nothing to do with providing attractions for people that could not pay for the larger attractions.
Also note that when the Tiki Room opened at DL it was an E-ticket! Why? Because Walt Disney personally owned the Tiki Room (via WED Enterprises) and all the profits went directly into his pocket. Plus, the Tiki Room had a sponsor, United Airlines! Walt was making a huge profit.
GiveMeTheMusic
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While I do believe that Disney is way overpriced on just about everything (tickets/hotels/food/merch), the sad state of affairs in America (and to a lesser extent the world) economically means that Walt's pricing model is no longer feasible. Inflation has become an exponential problem people seem to completely overlook. Just compare the price of goods a short 10 years ago to where we are now, and it's absolutely ghastly how much more expensive EVERYTHING is.
And I shudder to think at how crowded the parks would be if they returned to the old ticket model with the low entry fee and ticketed rides. As it is today's absurd pricing doesn't seem to pose much of a barrier to the parks being packed to the gills.
Disney, being a publicly traded company, has to please Wall Street to stay afloat, which means constantly growing profits to go with those constantly increasing costs of doing business. The result? $87 for a one day ticket, a $7 kids meal and mini-Vinylmation keychains for $13.95.
Honestly at this point, I think P&R would be best served by being spun off or sold as a privately held company, separate from WDC.
the.dreamfinder
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To your point @GiveMeTheMusic I think TWDC would be better off as a privately held corporation.
71jason
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That said, if you are essentially in the hotel business, and the only way you can get people to spend money in your hotel is to promise their kids an extra 5 minutes with a college kid in a foam head ... well, I would suggest that shows you're not very good at the hotel business at all.
People are willing to spend a premium rate at the JW or the Ritz (although admittedly not as high as WDW rack rates) based on things like outstanding customer service, impeccibly cleaned rooms, thick towels ... not a chance to get an extra FastPass 180 days in advance of vacation. That seems to me a healthier, more sustainable model.