Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

GiveMeTheMusic

GiveMeTheMusic

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71jason said:
That said, if you are essentially in the hotel business, and the only way you can get people to spend money in your hotel is to promise their kids an extra 5 minutes with a college kid in a foam head ... well, I would suggest that shows you're not very good at the hotel business at all.

People are willing to spend a premium rate at the JW or the Ritz (although admittedly not as high as WDW rack rates) based on things like outstanding customer service, impeccibly cleaned rooms, thick towels ... not a chance to get an extra FastPass 180 days in advance of vacation. That seems to me a healthier, more sustainable model.
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You take your logic, good sense and realistic outlook and get out! Disney doesn't want your kind anyway! ;)
 
Clever Name

Clever Name

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71jason said:
That said, if you are essentially in the hotel business, and the only way you can get people to spend money in your hotel is to promise their kids an extra 5 minutes with a college kid in a foam head ... well, I would suggest that shows you're not very good at the hotel business at all.

People are willing to spend a premium rate at the JW or the Ritz (although admittedly not as high as WDW rack rates) based on things like outstanding customer service, impeccibly cleaned rooms, thick towels ... not a chance to get an extra FastPass 180 days in advance of vacation. That seems to me a healthier, more sustainable model.
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Yeah, but does the Ritz make towel animals?
 
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MattM

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bubbles1812 said:
Gotcha. Ill make sure to explain that all the four year olds when they ask why Mickey won't meet with them. Will be super fun to see them try to understand they dont have enough money for Mickey to be willing to see them. Maybe we can even have them sound out the words and practice their reading. You know, to make sure they really understand that life isn't fair. I really want to see them cry. Like I said, sounds like the Happiest Place on Earth.
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They are able to see Mickey with a park ticket, at the park of their choosing. What point are you trying to make?
 
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MattM

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71jason said:
That said, if you are essentially in the hotel business, and the only way you can get people to spend money in your hotel is to promise their kids an extra 5 minutes with a college kid in a foam head ... well, I would suggest that shows you're not very good at the hotel business at all.

People are willing to spend a premium rate at the JW or the Ritz (although admittedly not as high as WDW rack rates) based on things like outstanding customer service, impeccibly cleaned rooms, thick towels ... not a chance to get an extra FastPass 180 days in advance of vacation. That seems to me a healthier, more sustainable model.
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I would agree with you on that point.

But Disney isn't just in the hotel business. People will come to Disney regardless. They may take a day up the road to a competitor, but Disney knows where they will spend a majority of their time so they don't have to compete like a Ritz vs Waldorf does, for example.
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Fixed that for you. ;)
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Folks know WDW prices are perhaps my favorite topic to spout off about. Sorry for those of you who have read this before but I'll repeat it since some might have missed it.

In the spring of 1983, I purchased a 3-day park hopper ticket for $35 (including tax), about $81 today. Yet somehow the Disney company with $1B in annual revenue managed to invest $2B in EPCOT and still keep prices reasonable. Minimum wage was $3.35/hour meaning (excluding taxes) it took less than 11 hours of work to pay for that ticket. Today, a 3-day hopper costs $318.44, or about 44 hours of work at today's minimum wage of $7.25/hour.

Alternatively, adjusted for inflation, the price of a garden wing room at the Contemporary in the 1970s & early 1980s was less than the price of a Value Resort room today.

Or, if those are too "ancient history" for some, when first introduced in 2005, a 7-day base MYW ticket cost $199. In 2012 (still waiting for 2013 price increases) that same ticket costs $288, an increase of about 45%. For comparison, median household income has increased about 10% over the same period.

Time and again, Walt Disney emphasized providing his customers with value.

Iger's and Rasulo's greatest legacy is pricing families out of WDW.
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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MattM said:
I didn't miss it, but anything in this thread is pure speculation anyway, so really we are both wasting time I suppose.
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By that logic, why are you in this thread at all? I don't consider it a waste of time considering most anything discussed here is within the realm of possibility and is quite relevant as Disney continues to change the way it does business with its customers. But by all means, stop posting.. I'm sure people would love the reprieve from the continuous derailment of the thread by yourself.
 
IHeartArt

IHeartArt

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flynnibus said:
congrats on throwing another 2-4 pages down the tubes after taking the troll bait
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I don't really have anything better to do.

bubbles1812 said:
Looking forward to it and judging by the returns so far, Disney and Marvel have got to be spectacularly happy. Uncle Scrooge is swimming in that vault right now. ;) Star Trek is still what I'm most looking forward to though.
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From what I've heard, we're possibly getting another series if Into Darkness does well enough. C'mon, box office...
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Did anyone see Patton Oswald's tweet about Iron Man 3 that is definitely inappropriate for a family friendly forum?

Also really looking forward to Into Darkness and I'm so excited for Pacific Rim. Alien sea monsters from another dimension and massive robots fighting, sign me up!
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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71jason said:
Yeah, but Iron Man was always a lock. The real question of the Summer is Lone Ranger.
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Truth. I've got to imagine they are a little nervous... Though at least they have Depp and the knowledge that there is some cultural awareness of what the movie is based off of. Sort of like when Zorro came out... I was 10 when that was released. I had never seen the show, but I knew what it was/the basic concept. And I knew who Antonio Banderas was. It's similar to the way I'm familiar with the Lone Ranger. Heard of it, know the concept, know the actor. So at least it's better than say John Carter, which very few people were familiar with and cast a relative unknown with no star power whatsoever.

I expect it to do fairly well but obviously no where near the mark of Iron Man. And seriously, Robert Downey Jr can actually ask for the farm when he's renegotiated his Marvel/Disney contract. Wonder what he'll make for IM3 considering he got 50 million for Avengers.
 
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MattM

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bubbles1812 said:
By that logic, why are you in this thread at all? I don't consider it a waste of time considering most anything discussed here is within the realm of possibility and is quite relevant as Disney continues to change the way it does business with its customers. But by all means, stop posting.. I'm sure people would love the reprieve from the continuous derailment of the thread by yourself.
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You amuse me in that you think I continuously derail this thread. I'm sorry I do not believe everything some random anonymous poster says on the Internet. If that is derailment, then I think you are just too close-minded. Tell you what, just ignore my posts and you won't have to see me "derail" this thread anymore (seriously, who even says that about an Internet forum...that's up there with "putting chinks in the armor"'crazy).
 

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