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President Bush and Family at WDW!
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Legacy
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That's the thing. Secret Service travels in seperate vehicles, all of them black. They would have been there at least two days in advance and leave two days later. That is standard proceedure. Even the surprise Iraq trip was in planning for two weeks prior to. My experience with Presidential security and the lack there of according to your story just doesn't add up.da1070 said:
prberk
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Well, there are two ways to be "secret": (1) Big prep for a "public" trip (that is, a KNOWN trip where the Prez would be known to go and especially making a public appearance), as Legacy is describing; and (2) secretly appearing "under the RADAR" on a trip that is not publicly announced, like this one could easily have been.
No reason for big prep for a trip where the public will not know he is there. In fact, keeping that secret is better security than making a big show of security beforehand. And it is different from the Thanksgiving trip in 2003 to Baghdad, because it was meant to be public, only secret to get there....
When I saw Amy Grant and Vince Gill in concert at the MCI Center in D.C. for Christmas '03, NO notice was made and no extra apparent security. But George H. W. and Barbara Bush came to the concert in just the same fashion described above. A few black suits showed up, surrounding the former President and his wife. A small commotion of noise ensued as they sat down, but everything else was normal. You could even walk up within about 50 feet for pics (but no closer). Those with tickets next to them just got to go in and sit down like anyone else! It was cool.
Once again, not announced, so no real reason for extreme security (other than the normal checks that they made coming in the door). The best security was that no one knew they were coming.
One more thing: the last time I read the President came to Disney to SPEAK, CMs posted here that they did not know, only that something important was going on. That was at the GF, I believe (and his brother was at the Contemp.)... Do a search and you can find it.
Paul
No reason for big prep for a trip where the public will not know he is there. In fact, keeping that secret is better security than making a big show of security beforehand. And it is different from the Thanksgiving trip in 2003 to Baghdad, because it was meant to be public, only secret to get there....
When I saw Amy Grant and Vince Gill in concert at the MCI Center in D.C. for Christmas '03, NO notice was made and no extra apparent security. But George H. W. and Barbara Bush came to the concert in just the same fashion described above. A few black suits showed up, surrounding the former President and his wife. A small commotion of noise ensued as they sat down, but everything else was normal. You could even walk up within about 50 feet for pics (but no closer). Those with tickets next to them just got to go in and sit down like anyone else! It was cool.
Once again, not announced, so no real reason for extreme security (other than the normal checks that they made coming in the door). The best security was that no one knew they were coming.
One more thing: the last time I read the President came to Disney to SPEAK, CMs posted here that they did not know, only that something important was going on. That was at the GF, I believe (and his brother was at the Contemp.)... Do a search and you can find it.
Paul
artvandelay
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prberk said:
I remember the post about his visit to the GF. I'm sure the Secret Service vetted every employee at the GF.
There's a big difference between security for a former president and the current president. Former presidents have a very small detail and no signifigant advance team.
I think you're right about the element of surprise, but WDW is also a known target for terrorists (read Richard Clarke's book) and I doubt the Secret Service would let the president go there w/o the usual precautions.
AliciaLuvzDizne
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when clinton was in office he came to speak at my school...granted it was before 9-11... the secret service did crowd control, but they were cool about it too they answered questions and stuff. his helecopter landed on our football field and whoever wanted to go see him speak got in free (with tickets)
and when he was leaving, i was walking back to my dorm and the limo came right next to me and he opened his window and waved...
and when he was leaving, i was walking back to my dorm and the limo came right next to me and he opened his window and waved...
Lee
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Just a bit about normal procedure from the Secret Service website:
"The Secret Service does not discuss methods or means in any detail, however generally speaking, the advance team surveys each site to be visited. From these surveys, the members determine manpower, equipment, hospitals, and evacuation routes for emergencies. Fire, rescue, and other public service personnel in the community are alerted. A command post is established with full communications facilities. The assistance of the military, federal, state, county, and local law enforcement organizations is a vital part of the entire security operation.
Before the protectee's arrival, the lead advance agent coordinates all law enforcement representatives participating in the visit. Personnel are posted and are alerted to specific problems associated with the visit. Intelligence information is discussed, identification specified, and emergency options outlined. Prior to the arrival of the protectee, checkpoints are established, and access to the secured area is limited."
Seriously...if W. was at Downtown Disney the parking lot would have been closed, the roads around the perimeter blocked, everyone coming anywhere near the place would have had to go through metal detectors, there would have been visible police and military presence, traffic to and from the area would have been interrupted, etc.
I went to a rally in late October, not even W's, and had to go through a full bag search and metal detector screening just to be in a crowd of over 5000.
W. strolling around DTD like an ordinary person....nope.
"The Secret Service does not discuss methods or means in any detail, however generally speaking, the advance team surveys each site to be visited. From these surveys, the members determine manpower, equipment, hospitals, and evacuation routes for emergencies. Fire, rescue, and other public service personnel in the community are alerted. A command post is established with full communications facilities. The assistance of the military, federal, state, county, and local law enforcement organizations is a vital part of the entire security operation.
Before the protectee's arrival, the lead advance agent coordinates all law enforcement representatives participating in the visit. Personnel are posted and are alerted to specific problems associated with the visit. Intelligence information is discussed, identification specified, and emergency options outlined. Prior to the arrival of the protectee, checkpoints are established, and access to the secured area is limited."
Seriously...if W. was at Downtown Disney the parking lot would have been closed, the roads around the perimeter blocked, everyone coming anywhere near the place would have had to go through metal detectors, there would have been visible police and military presence, traffic to and from the area would have been interrupted, etc.
I went to a rally in late October, not even W's, and had to go through a full bag search and metal detector screening just to be in a crowd of over 5000.
W. strolling around DTD like an ordinary person....nope.
Woody13
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DisneySoccerFan said:On "vacation" in Texas . . . gather up the security contingent . . . have staff notify Disney the President is coming and needs dinner arrangements . . . gas up AF1 . . . some of the press pool gets word and tags along . . . poof they're there, trying to be as "under the radar" as possible. It's plausable that COULD happen over the course of one afternoon/evening, right? Of course . . . it is also entirely plausible the the Bush Family impersonators were attending the Club Paris event!
(Again, I'm looking at this as a "trial" - it's true to me unless proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Wishes! Magic!! Believe!!!)
Let's assume for one moment that this is true. As you have pointed out, the press was there too. Don't you think you would have read a report about his trip to WDW? It is highly implausible to think that President Bush visited any part of WDW on December 30, 2004.
AliciaLuvzDizne
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oh well yeah...but they kept it pretty out of site...Legacy said:
i didnt mention the secret service men that were *probably* up on the hill where the planetarium and observatory is...sniper secret service men i'd imagine?
Figment1986
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I got it... Busch was working then thought.. Hmmmm wionder what Jeb is doing on his working vacation.... Hops on airforce one.. and bugs his brother......
I Think what he did was good.....
Oh... And The internet is for.........
I Think what he did was good.....
Oh... And The internet is for.........
GenerationX
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We need definitive proof.
Mr. President - were you there or not?
Mr. President - were you there or not?
DizkneeBoi
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:zipit: :zipit: :zipit: ......
ThreeCircles
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DizkneeBoi said:
Isn't it though?
Perhaps he was looking for those missing WMDs. Oh, wait, we don't care about those any longer.
Osama? Nope. Don't think about him too much.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights? Yeah, right. Who needs those when we're fighten' the big war!
I hope they scrubbed the place after he left. :hurl:
wannabeBelle
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Just a friendly reminder that this is not a political discussion forum. We arent discussing how appropriate or not it was for him to be in WDW, just the fact that he may have been in WDW!!!! Belle
MouseMadness
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For crying out loud!! :brick: :brick: Why the hell do people always assume they are the one person above the rules???
Not you, Belle!! :wave:
Why the hell do people always assume they are the one person above the rules??? Not you, Belle!! :wave:
DDuckFan130
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And then these same people complain about those that believe they are above the rules at WDWMouseMadness said:For crying out loud!! :brick: :brick:
Not you, Belle!! :wave:
... ::Sigh::...Whatever.
Wilt Dasney
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DizkneeBoi said:
I'll bet he even eats, sleeps and laughs occasionally, too.
I'm with you. What a terrible, terrible man! :hammer:
Wilt Dasney
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DDuckFan130 said:And then these same people complain about those that believe they are above the rules at WDW
She wasn't talking about people at WDW. She was talking about the folks who can't help but share their insightful political wisdom on Disney message boards.
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