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On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace
- Thread starter pheneix
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I think travel time + actual work (with the 4 hour minimum call time), with per diem, and Disney provided lodging. I did a few OT van driver shifts to pick them up at MCO, and they were usually pretty chill.
disneyflush
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Can I chime in? Not old guard but been here for a few years. Feel like its becoming apparent that we'll never get 100% rid of this Covid19 or the mutations from it because its (a) so contagious and (b) its too early to tell if you can build immunity/get it more than once. I think we can probably make the assumption that a therapeutic will be developed at some point in next 12-18 months, hopefully, and some of the fear will scale back around it. The long-term effects of having it and recovering are still super murky. The therapeutic will ease the liability concerns from the park standpoint and the mask requirement will be lifted. Things like temp checks will likely stick around for 2-3 years for the security optics (much like current bag check stations) at the gate. My concern is more the economic dominoes that will continue to fall at a more exaggerated pace as this continues. Using the Fed as a piggy bank doesn't work forever. 43% of households missed their home payment last month. How much disposable income will be left to head down to the mouse next year with, likely, increasing prices to try and make up for the missed revenue now. Business/convention travel has been forced into an absolute reckoning and I think we've found a lot of value/cost savings in Zoom meetings and calls that continue indefinitely. Old business methods that support behemoths like Coronado Springs will never go back to what they were. A lot of jobs that were lost will not come back. I think some of the gluttony has been trimmed from the American mindset (not all of it or even a significant portion of it but enough to make an impact) and the price gouging displayed the last decade is going to undergo a sanity check for quite a few families. The America in 6 months is going to be substantially bleaker than the one now being propped up by stimulus checks and packages.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’ve never worked to work a day in my life. I’m not sure what that feels like but I imagine it’s miserable.
I suppose I’m lucky but it’s been incredibly easy for me to get jobs in the fields that I’m passionate about and enjoy.
Phil12
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Me too!
flynnibus
Premium Member
"there's no work here" -- Move
"I don't like my boss.." -- Look for another job
"I've been making the same money for 5 years" -- What have you done to increase your value? Are you doing the same exact job? Have you pursued advancement? If not, and think you're being denied, have you started to look elsewhere?
OR take the position of "my boss owes me more" (while they do the same exact job).
Sorry, Truth bus just pulled up.. If your job can be replaced by someone else doing the same output in less than 2 weeks - do not expect your income to grow simply because you are good at treading water.
Miss Bella
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You make a lot of good points.
A successful manager knows how to delegate to get the work done through his team. Just don't forget to recognize them!
Miss Bella
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I wouldn't say working is miserable. Productivity brings happiness and satisfaction. They're all different ways to look at it.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It's not enough for people. They want to be the Greeter that requires no real prior training, can be done by anyone with basic training, and want to live where they want, and support their families.
So should the 20yr kid living with 4 other people make x, while 35yr living in a house with 2 kids, doing the same exact job make 4x more because he has greater expenses? If not, the second guy cries "I'm starving..." while the 20yr old says "I'm saving for an xbox...".
This is why the premise of a 'living wage for all' doesn't fit. Everyone doesn't live the same life. And then you get into deciding what kind of life should they be able to afford? Does that mean I can expect them to take lynx buses, or should they be able to afford a car? What is the acceptable commute time? etc etc etc.
The labor market is self-correcting when we ensure people are mobile and empowered. The employers get to squeeze labor when labor is desperate and locked in.
Disney pays like crap - and know what that means? I'd never recommend anyone work there.
If employees weren't desperate and actually gave themselves job skills they wouldn't be trapping fighting over scraps.
There are plenty of jobs in my area that pay minimum wage.. know what.. no one in my family works at those places. Instead they do what it takes to work at places that pay more money.
No, literally most people act like the company is obligated to give them this... vs as you say, negotiating if they want you, they need to do X.
Hiring now is freaking miserable... horrible work ethics, irrational expectations, people think they can show up when they want, and then whine a company sucks when they get fired for not doing basic things like SHOWING UP ON TIME.
Animaniac93-98
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Imagine being a Disney fan who thinks so little of the employees who making going to Disney possible.
MickeyLuv'r
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I think you have me confused with someone else?
I'm not sure why you reacted so angrily to a posting of some dry facts and statistics, because, that's all I posted. It was mostly just a list of companies located in the Orlando area.
Animaniac93-98
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Yet you'll gladly take the services they provide and dismiss any objections they have regarding pay or their work environment.
They're employees, not the help.
DVCakaCarlF
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No, but he doesn’t have to work there...maybe he should only have worked 40 hours, declined the overtime, if any, and worked a mother job.
I grew, owned, and operated a business from scratch...I worked a lot the first four or five years for little or no money to get it going, but no one told me I had to do it.
flynnibus
Premium Member
You can try to make it into an emotional play... but you're just deflecting.
I do think Disney should pay it's employees way more - especially given the standards they expect of them. But I disagree with much of Disney's management style and their approach towards employees.
None of that changes the basic premise of self-responsibility. If you don't like your situation, it's on YOU to change it. Not pout and cry my boss isn't doing it for me.
DVCakaCarlF
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I don't, but I do believe in a living wage after working 40 hours. However, Disney is very much a proponent of a universal pay scale.
His stress level.... at the time (17 years ago) I would have said low. But not having worked in a position that required long hours, high visibility, and travel, I'd say reasonably high.
Animaniac93-98
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Imagine STILL having this attitude, during the worst global recession in a century.
Again, as an alleged "fan".
flynnibus
Premium Member
No, it's simply if you want to change your life - don't look to your customers to do it for you. They are doing a job - It's not my job to get in their private lives. I'm buying service, not trying to be a white knight.
TrainsOfDisney
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The stress level is something I considered to. He was making more in 2003 than the average EMT in 2020.