On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Miss Bella]

Imagine being a Disney fan who thinks so little of the employees who making going to Disney possible.

I don't think that's what they are saying at all. I think a lot of the Disney employees, but I've never considered working a ride in the magic kingdom to be a career.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I don't, but I do believe in a living wage after working 40 hours. However, Disney is very much a proponent of a universal pay scale.

His stress level.... at the time (17 years ago) I would have said low. But not having worked in a position that required long hours, high visibility, and travel, I'd say reasonably high.

I do agree there needs to be some “humanity” in our pay wages, but that’s no possible in an imperfect world...I’m not going to get biblical, but there’s a a number of reasons for the “human experience” with one of them being “making ends meet.”

That all being said, as a social and economic society’s that values hard work, innovation, and competitive pricing, we simply can’t play everyone a “living wage” at 30, 35, or 40 hours.

It’s up to each person to match their work load, goals, and income to their living expectations.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

The stress level is something I considered to. He was making more in 2003 than the average EMT in 2020.

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I don't think that's what they are saying at all. I think a lot of the Disney employees, but I've never considered working a ride in the magic kingdom to be a career.

Neither would I, but the dense talking points about economics have been going on this site for years and it more often than not comes across as blatant disdain for people of a lower income bracket, including those who keep WDW running on a day-to-day basis.

Thankfully, most people on this site can see past that and know better. We didn't really need this thread to devolve to that point.

 

[flynnibus]

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

Performing is not easy... and I'm sure they live in fear of losing their job all the time. That's stressful.

Making other people happy ON DEMAND and an expectation of 100% delivery every time - isn't always easy.

Ask any comedian - being funny isn't all laughs.

 

[mkt]

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

You have to appear in the media, not as you, but as a representative of a multibillion dollar a year company.

There's stress. A different stress, but there's stress.

 

[Lilofan]

It's not enough for people. They want to be the Greeter that requires no real prior training, can be done by anyone with basic training, and want to live where they want, and support their families.

So should the 20yr kid living with 4 other people make x, while 35yr living in a house with 2 kids, doing the same exact job make 4x more because he has greater expenses? If not, the second guy cries "I'm starving..." while the 20yr old says "I'm saving for an xbox...".

This is why the premise of a 'living wage for all' doesn't fit. Everyone doesn't live the same life. And then you get into deciding what kind of life should they be able to afford? Does that mean I can expect them to take lynx buses, or should they be able to afford a car? What is the acceptable commute time? etc etc etc.

The labor market is self-correcting when we ensure people are mobile and empowered. The employers get to squeeze labor when labor is desperate and locked in.

Disney pays like crap - and know what that means? I'd never recommend anyone work there.



If employees weren't desperate and actually gave themselves job skills they wouldn't be trapping fighting over scraps.

There are plenty of jobs in my area that pay minimum wage.. know what.. no one in my family works at those places. Instead they do what it takes to work at places that pay more money.



No, literally most people act like the company is obligated to give them this... vs as you say, negotiating if they want you, they need to do X.

Hiring now is freaking miserable... horrible work ethics, irrational expectations, people think they can show up when they want, and then whine a company sucks when they get fired for not doing basic things like SHOWING UP ON TIME.

Some cast I've met enjoy working for Disney, young, middle age, and elderly. Everyone has a story and a reason to work in the happiest place on earth. Ex-cops that I met love working in the parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"there's no work here" -- Move
"I don't like my boss.." -- Look for another job
"I've been making the same money for 5 years" -- What have you done to increase your value? Are you doing the same exact job? Have you pursued advancement? If not, and think you're being denied, have you started to look elsewhere?

OR take the position of "my boss owes me more" (while they do the same exact job).

Sorry, Truth bus just pulled up.. If your job can be replaced by someone else doing the same output in less than 2 weeks - do not expect your income to grow simply because you are good at treading water.

Starting to go off the grid...oversimplifying complex scenarios.

You make a lot of good points.

Maybe...but still off the rails. Something in the beer this weekend?

 

[flynnibus]

Some cast I've met enjoy working for Disney, young, middle age, and elderly. Everyone has a story and a reason to work in the happiest place on earth. Ex-cops that I met love working in the parks.

For many... it's a great alternative compared to their others. I mean.. would you want to be a security guard walking around a commercial warehouse or be one at the MK? If you are going to be a cashier... would you want to work in a place where people are seeking happiness, or be one at the DMV?

But those people are also making choices that the job they have chosen can be made to work for their needs. If it doesn't, it should be on them to do something about it.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I watched a video a week or so back of a woman who was employed by a regional airline. She took the job a decade ago knowing that the pay was not great - but the benefits it provided her and her family (discounted/free airfare) were what led to that decision. Her husband had a good paying job and the incremental revenue she made helped.

Fast Forward a decade and she is now divorced. Trying to sustain herself off of the income she made the decision to take a decade ago. Her job requirements haven't changed. She is not being asked to do "more".

But she feels that because her personal situation has changed it is now the responsibility of her employer to bridge the gap. Sorry, but that's just wrong. And that's not the way it works.

 

[Miss Bella]

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I see your point, but I also see his.

Neither would I, but the dense talking points about economics have been going on this site for years and it more often than not comes across as blatant disdain for people of a lower income bracket, including those who keep WDW running on a day-to-day basis.

Thankfully, most people on this site can see past that and know better. We didn't really need this thread to devolve to that point.

I guess we just interpret it differently. I read it as if you are not happy with your wage and job move on and do something else. It seems like common sense.

 

[Lilofan]

I don't think that's what they are saying at all. I think a lot of the Disney employees, but I've never considered working a ride in the magic kingdom to be a career.

To each his own. Some choose to make a career in their current position, more power to them. Keep making the magic!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I read it as if you are not happy with your wage and job move on and do something else. It seems like common sense.

As has been discussed previously, life is often not that simple.

Saying "it's common sense" is easy to do from a distance, with a different income and living situation. It's not really helpful, and depending upon the source, sounds condescending.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I'm not hear to debate the usual talking points.

I'm just tired of the same posters chiming in to say "well ACTUALLY, the RATIONAL response is to..." every chance they get. It was never called for in this thread, where the focus was on the big picture of corporate Disney's response to all of this.

 

[mkt]

If you are going to be a cashier... would you want to work in a place where people are seeking happiness, or be one at the DMV?

DMV employees get government benefits and higher wages than Disney CM's... so.

 

[Miss Bella]

As has been discussed previously, life is often not that simple.

Saying "it's common sense" is easy to do from a distance, with a different income and living situation. It's not really helpful, and depending upon the source, sounds condescending.

Doesn't Disney pay for college or help pay for college. That seems like a really good perk for someone working there.

 

[flynnibus]

DMV employees get government benefits and higher wages than Disney CM's... so.

by that logic - all the CMS should shift to being garbage men too... but we know life shouldn't just be about what position gives you the best wages

 

[mkt]

I guess we just interpret it differently. I read it as if you are not happy with your wage and job move on and do something else. It seems like common sense.

It's not that simple, especially in a city like Orlando, where wages across almost all professions are kept low. The job I do now would literally pay me $20k less/yr if I were to do it in Orlando. A four hour drive away in the same state.

After taxes, that more than covers the difference in cost of living.

 

[mkt]

by that logic - all the CMS should shift to being garbage men too... but we know life shouldn't just be about what position gives you the best wages

Haven't you been arguing about people that want to earn more should get better jobs?

 

[mkt]

Doesn't Disney pay for college or help pay for college. That seems like a really good perk for someone working there.

They had tuition reimbursement when I worked there, but it didn't apply to most CM's.