On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Miss Bella]

I’ve never worked to work a day in my life. I’m not sure what that feels like but I imagine it’s miserable.

I suppose I’m lucky but it’s been incredibly easy for me to get jobs in the fields that I’m passionate about and enjoy.

I wouldn't say working is miserable. Productivity brings happiness and satisfaction. They're all different ways to look at it.

 

[flynnibus]

Nope, just a minimum wage that allows for a minimal standard of living without requiring unnecessary sacrifices, such as having to choose shelter OR food. A living wage.

It's not enough for people. They want to be the Greeter that requires no real prior training, can be done by anyone with basic training, and want to live where they want, and support their families.

So should the 20yr kid living with 4 other people make x, while 35yr living in a house with 2 kids, doing the same exact job make 4x more because he has greater expenses? If not, the second guy cries "I'm starving..." while the 20yr old says "I'm saving for an xbox...".

This is why the premise of a 'living wage for all' doesn't fit. Everyone doesn't live the same life. And then you get into deciding what kind of life should they be able to afford? Does that mean I can expect them to take lynx buses, or should they be able to afford a car? What is the acceptable commute time? etc etc etc.

The labor market is self-correcting when we ensure people are mobile and empowered. The employers get to squeeze labor when labor is desperate and locked in.

Disney pays like crap - and know what that means? I'd never recommend anyone work there.

If the major employers that set the tone for wages weren't constantly leading a race to the bottom in low wages, that would work well.

If employees weren't desperate and actually gave themselves job skills they wouldn't be trapping fighting over scraps.

There are plenty of jobs in my area that pay minimum wage.. know what.. no one in my family works at those places. Instead they do what it takes to work at places that pay more money.

You call it demanding, I call it negotiating. I've negotiated my salary for the past three jobs as part of the hiring process.

No, literally most people act like the company is obligated to give them this... vs as you say, negotiating if they want you, they need to do X.

Hiring now is freaking miserable... horrible work ethics, irrational expectations, people think they can show up when they want, and then whine a company sucks when they get fired for not doing basic things like SHOWING UP ON TIME.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Sorry, Truth bus just pulled up..

Imagine being a Disney fan who thinks so little of the employees who making going to Disney possible.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Oh good god...

You aren’t seriously this bored, are you Mayor Dyer?!?

This has been battled for decades...since roughly 1964...the modern Orlando was built by travel and is tied to it. It’s the “trunk” of the tree. Because it “branched” out...doesn’t mean it doesn’t depend on it.

This is the same argument made by ever sleepy town that is home to a gigantic university.

The city council pushes ordinances to make money off the kids and then when pushed that they need them say “this town would exist without _____ University”

Yeah...it would be lucky to have an Arby’s.


This is nonsense. Orlando is crushed in recessions because travel is cut immediately and heavily. And here it comes.

Not the end of the world...but don’t lie to yourself.

Oh...and they’re medical companies? In Florida?
Really an “upset” to get those in town, huh?

...I need a drink. You need a couple.

I think you have me confused with someone else?

I'm not sure why you reacted so angrily to a posting of some dry facts and statistics, because, that's all I posted. It was mostly just a list of companies located in the Orlando area.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Disney pays like crap - and know what that means? I'd never recommend anyone work there.

Yet you'll gladly take the services they provide and dismiss any objections they have regarding pay or their work environment.

They're employees, not the help.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Average for 40 hours.

This man was working 60 hours/week and included per diem. Not worth it.

No, but he doesn’t have to work there...maybe he should only have worked 40 hours, declined the overtime, if any, and worked a mother job.

I grew, owned, and operated a business from scratch...I worked a lot the first four or five years for little or no money to get it going, but no one told me I had to do it.

 

[flynnibus]

Imagine being a Disney fan who thinks so little of the employees who making going to Disney possible.

You can try to make it into an emotional play... but you're just deflecting.

I do think Disney should pay it's employees way more - especially given the standards they expect of them. But I disagree with much of Disney's management style and their approach towards employees.

None of that changes the basic premise of self-responsibility. If you don't like your situation, it's on YOU to change it. Not pout and cry my boss isn't doing it for me.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I know it was. It sounded like a lot. Until he said how many hours he worked and that the amount included per diem.

Question: Do you believe in a universal pay scale? Also, what was his stress level at that position?

 

[mkt]

Question: Do you believe in a universal pay scale? Also, what was his stress level at that position?

I don't, but I do believe in a living wage after working 40 hours. However, Disney is very much a proponent of a universal pay scale.

His stress level.... at the time (17 years ago) I would have said low. But not having worked in a position that required long hours, high visibility, and travel, I'd say reasonably high.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

You can try to make it into an emotional play... but you're just deflecting.

I do think Disney should pay it's employees way more - especially given the standards they expect of them. But I disagree with much of Disney's management style and their approach towards employees.

None of that changes the basic premise of self-responsibility. If you don't like your situation, it's on YOU to change it. Not pout and cry my boss isn't doing it for me.

Imagine STILL having this attitude, during the worst global recession in a century.

Again, as an alleged "fan".

 

[flynnibus]

Yet you'll gladly take the services they provide and dismiss any objections they have regarding pay or their work environment.

No, it's simply if you want to change your life - don't look to your customers to do it for you. They are doing a job - It's not my job to get in their private lives. I'm buying service, not trying to be a white knight.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Question: Do you believe in a universal pay scale? Also, what was his stress level at that position?

The stress level is something I considered to. He was making more in 2003 than the average EMT in 2020.

 

[Miss Bella]

Imagine being a Disney fan who thinks so little of the employees who making going to Disney possible.

I don't think that's what they are saying at all. I think a lot of the Disney employees, but I've never considered working a ride in the magic kingdom to be a career.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I don't, but I do believe in a living wage after working 40 hours. However, Disney is very much a proponent of a universal pay scale.

His stress level.... at the time (17 years ago) I would have said low. But not having worked in a position that required long hours, high visibility, and travel, I'd say reasonably high.

I do agree there needs to be some “humanity” in our pay wages, but that’s no possible in an imperfect world...I’m not going to get biblical, but there’s a a number of reasons for the “human experience” with one of them being “making ends meet.”

That all being said, as a social and economic society’s that values hard work, innovation, and competitive pricing, we simply can’t play everyone a “living wage” at 30, 35, or 40 hours.

It’s up to each person to match their work load, goals, and income to their living expectations.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

The stress level is something I considered to. He was making more in 2003 than the average EMT in 2020.

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I don't think that's what they are saying at all. I think a lot of the Disney employees, but I've never considered working a ride in the magic kingdom to be a career.

Neither would I, but the dense talking points about economics have been going on this site for years and it more often than not comes across as blatant disdain for people of a lower income bracket, including those who keep WDW running on a day-to-day basis.

Thankfully, most people on this site can see past that and know better. We didn't really need this thread to devolve to that point.

 

[flynnibus]

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

Performing is not easy... and I'm sure they live in fear of losing their job all the time. That's stressful.

Making other people happy ON DEMAND and an expectation of 100% delivery every time - isn't always easy.

Ask any comedian - being funny isn't all laughs.

 

[mkt]

I’m going to bet there was little “mental stress” to that job.

You have to appear in the media, not as you, but as a representative of a multibillion dollar a year company.

There's stress. A different stress, but there's stress.

 

[Lilofan]

It's not enough for people. They want to be the Greeter that requires no real prior training, can be done by anyone with basic training, and want to live where they want, and support their families.

So should the 20yr kid living with 4 other people make x, while 35yr living in a house with 2 kids, doing the same exact job make 4x more because he has greater expenses? If not, the second guy cries "I'm starving..." while the 20yr old says "I'm saving for an xbox...".

This is why the premise of a 'living wage for all' doesn't fit. Everyone doesn't live the same life. And then you get into deciding what kind of life should they be able to afford? Does that mean I can expect them to take lynx buses, or should they be able to afford a car? What is the acceptable commute time? etc etc etc.

The labor market is self-correcting when we ensure people are mobile and empowered. The employers get to squeeze labor when labor is desperate and locked in.

Disney pays like crap - and know what that means? I'd never recommend anyone work there.



If employees weren't desperate and actually gave themselves job skills they wouldn't be trapping fighting over scraps.

There are plenty of jobs in my area that pay minimum wage.. know what.. no one in my family works at those places. Instead they do what it takes to work at places that pay more money.



No, literally most people act like the company is obligated to give them this... vs as you say, negotiating if they want you, they need to do X.

Hiring now is freaking miserable... horrible work ethics, irrational expectations, people think they can show up when they want, and then whine a company sucks when they get fired for not doing basic things like SHOWING UP ON TIME.

Some cast I've met enjoy working for Disney, young, middle age, and elderly. Everyone has a story and a reason to work in the happiest place on earth. Ex-cops that I met love working in the parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"there's no work here" -- Move
"I don't like my boss.." -- Look for another job
"I've been making the same money for 5 years" -- What have you done to increase your value? Are you doing the same exact job? Have you pursued advancement? If not, and think you're being denied, have you started to look elsewhere?

OR take the position of "my boss owes me more" (while they do the same exact job).

Sorry, Truth bus just pulled up.. If your job can be replaced by someone else doing the same output in less than 2 weeks - do not expect your income to grow simply because you are good at treading water.

Starting to go off the grid...oversimplifying complex scenarios.

You make a lot of good points.

Maybe...but still off the rails. Something in the beer this weekend?