FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.

[ChrisFL]

Everyone!

Randomly quoting wait times from random visits either before or after FP was implemented mean absolutely NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING

Even if you had the same amount of people visiting the park, and went to measure it 2 days in a row, the wait times throughout the day and night would be different, the amount of activites done by each guest, when and where would be different, etc.

So you can throw all of that out the window, there's no real answer to the question about whether wait times were longer or not.

FP in general does cause the standby line to be a longer wait for the same amount of people in that line. That is what is known as a FACT.

 

[DisneyBoi1215]

Everyone!

Randomly quoting wait times from random visits either before or after FP was implemented mean absolutely NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING

Even if you had the same amount of people visiting the park, and went to measure it 2 days in a row, the wait times throughout the day and night would be different, the amount of activites done by each guest, when and where would be different, etc.

So you can throw all of that out the window, there's no real answer to the question about whether wait times were longer or not.

FP in general does cause the standby line to be a longer wait for the same amount of people in that line. That is what is known as a FACT.

I have to agree with Chris here. The mentioned wait times really mean nothing when it comes to factoring in FastPasses. The thing that really bothers me though, is when CM's have to stop Standby to keep the FP line moving, because after a little while of sending down FastPasses with the line still backed up, guests will start to complain to the CM that they've been waiting forever. I have heard a CM tell a guest, "You have the same opportunity as the guests you see using FastPass to obtain said FastPass to wait a shorter wait time in line." I have to say that the CM is right in saying this to the standby line.

 

[Monty]

Everyone!

Randomly quoting wait times from random visits either before or after FP was implemented mean absolutely NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING

Even if you had the same amount of people visiting the park, and went to measure it 2 days in a row, the wait times throughout the day and night would be different, the amount of activites done by each guest, when and where would be different, etc.

So you can throw all of that out the window, there's no real answer to the question about whether wait times were longer or not.

FP in general does cause the standby line to be a longer wait for the same amount of people in that line. That is what is known as a FACT.

But that FACT means absolutely NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING.

Yes, the standby line moves slower with the number of people in line. However, if FPs didn't exist the line would move faster but have significantly more people in line. So your fact is entirely irrelevant as well.

So? :shrug:

 

[Thunder Kz]

TrollPass...? :lookaroun

:lol:

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

FP in general does cause the standby line to be a longer wait for the same amount of people in that line. That is what is known as a FACT.

Yes and no one here denies that. But it is also a fact that those who use FP really have much shorter waiting time and are able to do much more attractions on any chosen day. FACT! No one said that FP shortens waiting time for every single guest, it's impossible. But as an individual using it you benefit, that is proven a million times. FACT! And considering those who are to stupid (not knowing it exists at all is extremely stupid, not knowing how to use it or believing that it costs something is still stupid) or getting to the park to late to use it its their own decision and fault. FACT!

 

[Mickey92]

I Like FP! I think its great that it is free! and that everyone can use it

 

[Brommy]

I don't see how that's possible. Any benefit has to be gained at the expense of someone else since capacity isn't being created. Unless you think there's a minority of utter morons standing in line all day long for the benefit of the majority, I think the opposite is true. Most guests are harmed by FP. They just don't realize it.

The thing is, EVERYONE in the park has the opportunity to use it. Disney don't hide the fact it's available, it's on the resort TV, the park maps and there are cast members at most FP stations.

It WOULD be unfair if it was only available to certain guests, or if Disney didn't advertise FP. But everyone can use it, it is up to them if they don't.

For what it's worth, I love FP. I remember when we queued for 2 hours for Splash and 90 mins for Test Track back in the mid 90s

 

[Brommy]

Prior to FP, KSR would post waits upwards of 120 minutes in the morning. Since FP was implemented, in the following summers (2000-2002) I never saw the line in the triple digits again. In fact, I know beyond a doubt that the extended queues are very, very rarely used after 1999. We used to have a rope queue that would extend into Harambe in the mornings in 1999. In the following summers it was never used.

Take what you want from it, but KSR had a decrease in wait time upon implementation of FP.

I remember queuing at rope drop in Harambe for KSR for around an hour or so

 

[sublimesting]

LOL, whatever....ok, so you don't double back. I guarantee you that when you *do* ride standby as youre waiting for your FP to mature, you're getting shortchanged.

Let me ask you....do you honor your FP times? Or are you one of those types that take advantage of CM's leniency with return times? Because while you might think you are benefiting yourself by returning with your FP 4 hours later than your FP expiration time, you're short-changing someone else! Even if *you* are that honorable guy who doesn't abuse the times, there are enough people that are doing it to shortchange you....

It's not an efficient system. More over it's a broken system. You might think its all great and wonderful....but that's what makes Disney so wonderful. They make both the good AND the bad look like a fabulous piece of key lime pie.


Regardless, if youve spend enough time in the parks as most of us, over the course of a few years, your time that you think you're "reclaiming" with the use of FP is getting eaten up by the bottlenecks it also creates. It'd be a fantastic experiment, but I'd bet my left nut that over the course of several trips, even the most careful FP planners have their time savings reclaimed by the very same bottlenecks this system creates.....I suspect you're way behind in your 'time savings' calculations while thinking you're way ahead.


However, go ahead thinking happy happy thoughts about FP....we wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or something..... As they say, ignorance is bliss, eh?

Your whole argument is based on assuming that we are waiting in long lines while waiting for FP tix to mature or become available again. The thing is we don't. We never wait. That's the point. We have gone over 4th of July week several times and never waited longer than 20 minutes for any attraction. Routinely we ride ever ride at Magic Kingdom (our first day there) from 5 pm until 10 pm. In 5 hours we have finished the park. We also complete AK and HS together in one day and EPCOT in one day. For an 8 day trip we finish all parks within 4 days and the other 4 re-ride our favorites and relax.
The way we are all doing FP is by goin into the park and collecting a high priority FP. The we get on a ride with NO line. As soon as we can get another FP we do, but there is no backtracking as we ride no line rides on our way over to get the next FP ticket. We don't necessarily get on the FP attraction as soon as our time becomes availble but rather work our way there picking off no-line attractions as we go. After a few hours we always have no less than 4 FP on our person for the remainder of the day. We spend that time riding no-wait attractions and hopping on FP. Sometimes we get lucky and the FP we had a ticket for has no wait so we ride it several times.
Example: We walk in grab a JC FP, do Swiss Family Tree House, Ride POC, grab Splash, do Pirates again, do COuntry Bear grab BTMRR, hit HM, grab FP to Peter Pan, ride a few Fantasyland rides that are walk on, work our way back to Frontier hitting HM etc. ride Splash, hit POC again, hit JC, go back into Fantasy and hit no waits and grab FPs. Sometimes you double back but there is a point to it and it isn't a wasted double back. Our avergae is about 4-5 attractions/hour.
I am baffled as to how people fail to grasp this. Actually I'm not sheeple like lines. I've actually been near an attraction talking to my wife and had people line up behind me.

 

[WDWmazprty]

:ROFLOL:I love FP! :ROFLOL:

 

[castevens]

This thread is out of hand.

Summary: It's "good" for those who "exploit" the system, thereby screwing those who don't exploit the system. You can either take the shorter wait times (while screwing the ignorant) or defend those who don't know how to use it.

Whatever. I'm okay with being in the minority of guests who know how to "game" the system.

 

[MrToad1]

I agree 100%, Fastpass is Terrible!

Tell me how is waiting in one fastpass line for 2 minutes and another line (while waiting for your fastpass time to arrive) for 60 minutes any faster than waiting in those same 2 lines before fastpass existed for 30 minutes a piece? It just doubles the wait time for standby lines which defeats the entire purpose.

DIE FASTPASS DIE!!!

 

[cdunbar]

I agree 100%, Fastpass is Terrible!

Tell me how is waiting in one fastpass line for 2 minutes and another line (while waiting for your fastpass time to arrive) for 60 minutes any faster than waiting in those same 2 lines before fastpass existed for 30 minutes a piece? It just doubles the wait time for standby lines which defeats the entire purpose.

DIE FASTPASS DIE!!!

 

[jakeman]

I remember queuing at rope drop in Harambe for KSR for around an hour or so

I'm sure you probably did. I haven't seen the wait more than 100 minutes since that first summer. That was my only point.

I'm going to have to agree with Spike here.

It's a three step system and the information is out there very readily. It's on your check-in sheet, your in-room TV, and if you are staying off property, it is on the pamphlets in the lobby and lastly it is on the back of your park map. Seriously, you just have to flip it over. If guest refuse to take part in the system because of their own ignorant assumptions I can't be held accountable and expected to adjust my tour plans because of it.

It is the same as people who follow the parade route on the map thinking that will take them throughout the whole park.

At what point do you just shrug and say tough cookies?

Edit: One more thought. I don't think any of us here that are "exploiting" the system would have any issue with explaining it to people who look like they are struggling to understand it. On multiple occasion when I wasn't a cast member I would help someone out. To this day, if we aren't going to use our FP we readily hand them to other people and explain how to use them if they are unsure.

 

[WDWmazprty]

I'm sure you probably did. I haven't seen the wait more than 100 minutes since that first summer. That was my only point.

I'm going to have to agree with Spike here.

It's a three step system and the information is out there very readily. It's on your check-in sheet, your in-room TV, and if you are staying off property, it is on the pamphlets in the lobby and lastly it is on the back of your park map. Seriously, you just have to flip it over. If guest refuse to take part in the system because of their own ignorant assumptions I can't be held accountable and expected to adjust my tour plans because of it.

It is the same as people who follow the parade route on the map thinking that will take them throughout the whole park.

At what point do you just shrug and say tough cookies?

Agreed! All those who think the system doesnt work, just keep thinking that. Those of us who use it and are satisfied with the results will just keep on enjoying our experience in the parks, while the rest will continue sulking and being upset on how FP causes lines to be longer and make them have a terrible experience.

 

[Evil Genius]

This thread is out of hand.

Summary: It's "good" for those who "exploit" the system, thereby screwing those who don't exploit the system. You can either take the shorter wait times (while screwing the ignorant) or defend those who don't know how to use it.

Whatever. I'm okay with being in the minority of guests who know how to "game" the system.

Wait...so if we're utilizing Fastpass and adhering the the time windows on said Fastpasses then we are "exploiting" the system? Not sure how that makes sense.

Listen at this point there's no reason for the majority of guests to be ignorant of Fastpass. It's been in existance now for a decade or so and Disney goes out of their way to promote it in and around the parks. If there are guests who choose to ignore all the information...I have no sympathy for them.

Now for those who do cheat the system but saving up Fastpasses and use them outside of their allotted time...those are the people that screw things up. Cast Members should police this better.

 

[Master Yoda]

If you don't like fastpass then stop going to the parks. Problem solved.

 

[G-bone]

But that FACT means absolutely NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING.

Yes, the standby line moves slower with the number of people in line. However, if FPs didn't exist the line would move faster but have significantly more people in line. So your fact is entirely irrelevant as well.

So? :shrug:

Well said.

 

[WDWmazprty]

Lets make 15 more threads about this and see how long we can keep going in circles explaining the same thing! :lookaroun:sohappy:

 

[castevens]

Wait...so if we're utilizing Fastpass and adhering the the time windows on said Fastpasses then we are "exploiting" the system? Not sure how that makes sense.

The definition of "exploit" is to UTILIZE. It does not necessarily mean to utilize maliciously. The word was used correctly...

Main Entry: 2ex·ploit
Pronunciation: \ik-ˈsplȯit, ˈek-ˌ\
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1838
1 : to make productive use of : utilize <exploiting your talents> <exploit your opponent's weakness>
2 : to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage <exploiting migrant farm workers>