FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.

[jakeman]

Some people will claim a ride has never seen triple digits since implementation of FP...but at the same time, I'll suggest that it's never seen single digits EITHER. The flip side is that the ride is more CONSISTENTLY queued up. That's not good either.

That "some people" is me. Feel free to quote me directly. You are obviously familiar with that function.

KSR is usually a walk on after about 3 p.m. most days especially in the summer.

So your suggestion is inaccurate in the context of my example.

Although I understand if you had address my example directly the outcome would have been similar to this. Therefore, by generalizing my triple digit statement you sought to apply it as a broader example thereby negating the potential significance of my retort.

In reality, I am simply offering a first hand, long term experience with FP. I fully admit that even though my sample size is larger than the average guest it is only at one attraction over the course of 3 summers almost 10 years ago.

#2, if you're going to call someone stupid, you might want to learn the difference between to and too.

You might also want to cut our friend from across the pond a little slack unless you are going to start posting in perfect German.

 

[wm49rs]

You might also want to cut our friend from across the pond a little slack unless you are going to start posting in perfect German.

But I'm sure he can speak perfect "pirate." Aaarrgghh!!!!! :dazzle:

 

[Tigger1988]

I'd love to stop splitting hairs at some point, but I think you'd be surprised at how many people (many of whom probably are not on a Walt Disney World fan forum) do not know about it. I've run into people at the parks who think it's only for people who buy a certain type of pass, or stay on property at certain hotels, or don't know you can have more than one pass at the same time. I'm just saying that I lot of people don't know that they can use it, or how to use it, or how often they're allowed to use it.

And I'm most certainly not sympathetic for those who do not know all about FP. I'd love for less people to know about it. I'm just saying that in my experience, a lot of people do not know.

And they only have themselves to blame, all it takes is reading your PARKMAP.

It has nothing to do with who goes on fan forums or not, it's not like it's some secret Disney keeps and diehards somehow found out about.

At that point it becomes less about "in the know" and more about who is ignorant and too lazy to ask questions to find out the correct info.

 

[Evil Genius]

I'd love to stop splitting hairs at some point, but I think you'd be surprised at how many people (many of whom probably are not on a Walt Disney World fan forum) do not know about it. I've run into people at the parks who think it's only for people who buy a certain type of pass, or stay on property at certain hotels, or don't know you can have more than one pass at the same time. I'm just saying that I lot of people don't know that they can use it, or how to use it, or how often they're allowed to use it.

And I'm most certainly not sympathetic for those who do not know all about FP. I'd love for less people to know about it. I'm just saying that in my experience, a lot of people do not know.

I'll agree, there are tons of folks that are oblivious to Fastpass. But to Disney's credit...it isn't the company's fault! They've gone above and beyond to promote it and have done everything save for have CMs standing at each park entrance to stop guest and give a "Ya know we have this thing call Fastpass" speech. If guests aren't willing to I don't know...read their park maps...listen to resort television or God forbid ASK someone...then either they don't care enough to know or simply aren't cogent enough to find out!

 

[castevens]

And I'm most certainly not sympathetic for those who do not know all about FP.

And they only have themselves to blame

Good, I'm glad we agree.

Master Yoda, I appreciate your help and honesty.

 

[WDWmazprty]

Not using FP.:hurl::hurl::hurl::brick::hurl::hurl::hurl:

 

[jakeman]

Sir, do you not realize that we are no longer a country of equal opportunity, but one of equal experience? How dare you assert that you should have a better time because you actually put some effort into it. That sir is Un-Amerikan.

Ugh...I know this was meant as a joke but MUST personal politics be brought into practically every thread???

In this particular case it is the crux of the argument against FP. I don't see it having to do anything with politics.

"FP should be done away with because it hurts those without it."

Unless you're walking around with your head up your butt there's no way you can't be "in the know" about FastPass. It's mentioned on your guidemap, there's signs at FP attractions, that if you weren't aware, would make you ASK someone about them.

If you're somehow not "in the know" about FastPass a decade later you can only blame yourself and not those who use the system.

Exactly.

I'd love to stop splitting hairs at some point, but I think you'd be surprised at how many people (many of whom probably are not on a Walt Disney World fan forum) do not know about it. I've run into people at the parks who think it's only for people who buy a certain type of pass, or stay on property at certain hotels, or don't know you can have more than one pass at the same time. I'm just saying that I lot of people don't know that they can use it, or how to use it, or how often they're allowed to use it.

And I'm most certainly not sympathetic for those who do not know all about FP. I'd love for less people to know about it. I'm just saying that in my experience, a lot of people do not know.

However, (this is rhetorical) should other guess be penalized because of willful ignorance?

I and others have ennumerated the many many ways FP is communicated to guest.

At what point must those people take responsibility for finding their own information regarding a subject?

I'm of the mindset if you see a problem (perceived or actual) and you don't search for a solution (even if the solution is complaining and taking your money elsewhere) you are ultimately to blame.

I don't think Disney can do any more than what they are doing now. Guest need to stop renting lockers to check their brians into.

It looks like we agree on this point, so these are more rhetorical questions than accusatory.

 

[wm49rs]

FastPass? Why would I need a FastPass?

Oh, right......:brick:

 

[castevens]

I feel as though Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger think that I am taking an opposite point of view from their own when in fact I'm agreeing with them. I think that anyone who doesn't know about FP needs to read their park map and ask CMs. I think that it's their own ignorance which is resulting in longer waits for them. My only point was that the counter-argument (which I do NOT endorse) is that these are the people who are allowing FP to work for us and the reason for which our experience is quicker and better.

I'm okay with that! I like it that way!

Oh Master Yoda (I'm not sure whether I'm talking to the character or the forum member), please help me to explain myself!

 

[Evil Genius]

In this particular case it is the crux of the argument against FP. I don't see it having to do anything with politics.

Granted, but it was the use of the term "Amerika" that was off putting to me.

Sorry...just a personal soap box issue. Nothing to get worked up over here.

 

[Evil Genius]

I feel as though Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger think that I am taking an opposite point of view from their own when in fact I'm agreeing with them. I think that anyone who doesn't know about FP needs to read their park map and ask CMs. I think that it's their own ignorance which is resulting in longer waits for them. My only point was that the counter-argument (which I do NOT endorse) is that these are the people who are allowing FP to work for us and the reason for which our experience is quicker and better.

I'm okay with that! I like it that way!

Oh Master Yoda (I'm not sure whether I'm talking to the character or the forum member), please help me to explain myself!

Um...didn't in my last post quoting yours I agree with you? :shrug::wave:

 

[Master Yoda]

Good, I'm glad we agree.

Master Yoda, I appreciate your help and honesty.

Anytime. :wave:

 

[jakeman]

I feel as though Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger think that I am taking an opposite point of view from their own when in fact I'm agreeing with them. I think that anyone who doesn't know about FP needs to read their park map and ask CMs. I think that it's their own ignorance which is resulting in longer waits for them. My only point was that the counter-argument (which I do NOT endorse) is that these are the people who are allowing FP to work for us and the reason for which our experience is quicker and better.

I'm okay with that! I like it that way!

Oh Master Yoda (I'm not sure whether I'm talking to the character or the forum member), please help me to explain myself!

I think you caught me before I edited my post slightly.

I think we are in agreement with most points.

No worries! :wave:

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

#1. Wow! anger management is in your future. We're having a philosophical discussion regarding a disney program. If you're getting boiled over it, you might want to pour a becks and go get some fresh air...or seek help....seriously.

#2, if you're going to call someone stupid, you might want to learn the difference between to and too.

Wow. You found ONE mistake and start nitpicking on it! Ingenious. You will find a lot of posts where I use both terms correctly it was just a minor mistake as they sometimes happen, especially on the internet. By the way I am GERMAN. (some people are not only TOO stupid to understand how FP works, they are even too stupid to look at the location of the commentator) It wouldn't be too inexcusable to do some minor mistakes in a foreign language, wouldn't it? How many foreign languages are you able to speak and write fluently?

 

[wm49rs]

Wow. You found ONE mistake and start nitpicking on it! Ingenious. You will find a lot of posts where I use both terms correctly it was just a minor mistake as they sometimes happen, especially on the internet. By the way I am GERMAN. (some people are not only TOO stupid to understand how FP works, they are even too stupid to look at the location of the commentator) It wouldn't be too inexcusable to do some minor mistakes in a foreign language, wouldn't it? How many foreign languages are you able to speak and write fluently?

Come, come now, I told you- pirate. Aarrgghh!

 

[Master Yoda]

I feel as though Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger think that I am taking an opposite point of view from their own when in fact I'm agreeing with them. I think that anyone who doesn't know about FP needs to read their park map and ask CMs. I think that it's their own ignorance which is resulting in longer waits for them. My only point was that the counter-argument (which I do NOT endorse) is that these are the people who are allowing FP to work for us and the reason for which our experience is quicker and better.

I'm okay with that! I like it that way!

Oh Master Yoda (I'm not sure whether I'm talking to the character or the forum member), please help me to explain myself!

Only a select few know the answer to that one.:lol:

Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger...castevens is on our side. He just made a bit of a faux pas articulating it. Next round at the WDWmagic bar is on him! :lol:

 

[jakeman]

Come, come now, I told you- pirate. Aarrgghh!

Dang it!

You beat me to it!

 

[Evil Genius]

How many foreign languages are you able to speak and write fluently?

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[musketeer]

I can't handle it anymore, I have to say my two cents. In a thread like this, it probably won't be read anyway, but at least it'll make me feel better.

One of the arguments againts fastpass relies on the assumption that you are constantly in line for a ride, either physically or virtually. And so I understand the argument of being an illusion of less waiting time. HOWEVER, that assumption has to be 100% true for that argument to work. If ONE person gets a fastpass, and doesn't spend the time waiting for his return windown NOT in line for another ride, then the argument starts to fall apart.

There have been lots of posts on here where people say they get a fastpass for A, then ride the shorter line B, etc etc etc. BUT, there are also many people who get a fastpass for A, then go to lunch, or go to a store, or sit on a bench, or get ice cream, or whatever. So not EVERYONE who has a fastpass for ride A is clogging up rides B thru Z at that same time.

And EVEN if you do get a fastpass for A, and then go ride other things, you still aren't constantly in line, you still have to walk from A to B, and so on.

So yes, if EVERYONE that had a fastpass for A is spending their time riding B-Z, then I agree that the system just balances out the lines among everything. However, that isn't the case.

 

[Evil Genius]

Only a select few know the answer to that one.:lol:

Evil Genius, jakeman and Tigger...castevens is on our side. He just mad a bit of a faux pas articulating it.

Oh I know...as I said I agreed with him. I was just on board with you on his poor wording.