FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.

[Master Yoda]

Lets make 15 more threads about this and see how long we can keep going in circles explaining the same thing! :lookaroun:sohappy:

 

[WDWmazprty]

Huzzah!!!!!:sohappy::hammer::sohappy::hammer:

 

[Master Yoda]

The definition of "exploit" is to UTILIZE. It does not necessarily mean to utilize maliciously. The word was used correctly...

One of its definitions is "to use" however that is not it's most common use. Its most common use is "to use selfishly" or "to take advantage of unfairly". Your word was technically correct but it was used in poor context thereby failing to convey your true meaning.

 

[xdan0920]

I really like FastPass. I was just at DLR were there are way fewer rides that implement the FP system, and I was miserable waiting on long lines all day. Every single ride was over a 30 minute wait. And I mean every single one. Many were well over an hour. At WDW I never wait that long for any ride.

 

[castevens]

Seeing as how I meant BOTH of its meanings (thus the quotation marks), I'd say that I used the word perfectly. I was trying to provide a summary of the thread, in which I was explaining both sides of the story. One of the points of view (not my own) is that the system is bad because those not in-the-know are getting screwed, almost painting a picture of maliciousness to those who ARE in-the-know.

Summary: I intended on the double-meaning of exploitation. It was borderline sarcastic and that is why it was in quotation marks.

 

[WDWmazprty]

The FP kiosks are pretty.:lookaroun

 

[PirateFrank]

Ditto. Keep ingnoring people with lots of experience with the system who know what they are talking about when they say, if used properly, it can save you a TON of time. Keep telling yourself it's "bad" and getting on less rides than you could if you would embrace the system!

I still believe it's a bad system. While some people may exploit it to *their* advantage, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good system. It increases ride congestion and it forces people to retread the parks.

Again, basic math here. 2+2=4 not 3 or 5...the same amount of people enter the parks and ride these rides. All it's doing is topping off the peaks and filling in the valleys. Some people will claim a ride has never seen triple digits since implementation of FP...but at the same time, I'll suggest that it's never seen single digits EITHER. The flip side is that the ride is more CONSISTENTLY queued up. That's not good either.

Actually, I did acknowledge in a previous post that you were probably right that it does not add capacity to the parks. However, the "magic" of it adding time to people's day can be explained by the fact that not everyone uses it, or uses it to it's potential. Those who use it and use it frequently will gain the most, not only relative to guests who do not use it, but also relative to what they could have done had FP not existed.

You raise a valid point in that rider distribution isn't fully realized because people do not take advantage of FP. However, I will argue that that is the very reason why FP isn't a complete failure. Rides where FPs are exhausted within a few hours become just overly congested, painful queues. See TSM or Soarin for examples of this.

As for your comments regarding CMs allowing you to return late...that is a problem. You might think it's ok because a few people up the disney totem pole have allowed you to do it...but the fact remains that the FP concept is *centered* around ride-redistribution. When you have FP userss not returning at the time specified by the kiosk computer, you are circumventing the very thing that the FP system intended to control. What ends up happening is that the ride congestion for standby *and* FP holders gets worse and worse as the day progresses. A perfect example of this was back on the 12th. I was waiting on R&RC's FP line with my son...the line for FP holders prior to the merge was several hundred people long....approximately half as long as the 80 minute standby line. Technically, this shouldn't happen...but because cast members allow late returns, it does.

Just because a guy with a name tag tells you it's ok, it doesn't mean it's official park policy. The initial creators of the concept would tell you you're wrong.

Your whole argument is based on assuming that we are waiting in long lines while waiting for FP tix to mature or become available again...

Yes and no. If you read the first 3-4 pages of this thread, the vast majority of proponents of FP were claiming an advantage by grabbing a FP on one ride and going to another and waiting standby. I was speaking to those people. Does everyone average out their waits by doing this? No. But I think I can make a hard and fast case that most people do FP without thinking about it...and end up averaging out their saved time.

Curiously, since I've made the argument, people have been restating their 'FP plan' saying that they dont do such a thing. I guess when you're logically backed into a corner, it's easier to go "I never said that!"

Actually I am beginning to get a little angry. It's nothing less that impertinent to assume that we are actually to stupid.....Actually YOU seem to be a little to slow (kindly spoken) to understand...YOU are just to plain stupid to understand how the system works...

#1. Wow! anger management is in your future. We're having a philosophical discussion regarding a disney program. If you're getting boiled over it, you might want to pour a becks and go get some fresh air...or seek help....seriously.

#2, if you're going to call someone stupid, you might want to learn the difference between to and too.

 

[wm49rs]

It's always amazing how insulting people need to become over a voluntary program implemented for those on vacation......:brick:

 

[Master Yoda]

Seeing as how I meant BOTH of its meanings (thus the quotation marks), I'd say that I used the word perfectly. I was trying to provide a summary of the thread, in which I was explaining both sides of the story. One of the points of view (not my own) is that the system is bad because those not in-the-know are getting screwed, almost painting a picture of maliciousness to those who ARE in-the-know.

Summary: I intended on the double-meaning of exploitation. It was borderline sarcastic and that is why it was in quotation marks.

Again poor choice of words. "In the know" would imply that fastpasses are some kind of secret like the paint brushes on TSI or waking up Tink. Fastpasses have been publicized as much if not more than DVC. Guests that know about fastpasses have not been given some exclusive information they have simply paid attention. Would you consider someone that knows McDonald's has french fries "in the know"?

 

[Evil Genius]

To those who say it makes ride ques more congested and screws up how they navigate the parks...I'm sorry I just don't see it.

We ALWAYS go in the summer during peak season when crowds are fierce and use Fastpasses when needed. If a ride happens to have a light stand-by que...we'll hop in it as well. Regardless we still tour the parks as we always did...starting in Adventureland and working our way counter clockwise through the park. If you're zig zagging through the parks and using Fastpasses then perhaps you need to rethink how you tour the parks.

 

[castevens]

Again poor choice of words. "In the know" would imply that fastpasses are some kind of secret like the paint brushes on TSI or waking up Tink. Fastpasses have been publicized as much if not more than DVC. Guests that know about fastpasses have not been given some exclusive information they have simply paid attention.

I really don't feel like having this argument since it seems that you are hell-bent in winning, but I don't see a problem with the choice of "in-the-know." I feel as though you are either "in-the-know" or not "in-the-know" whether the knowledge itself is a secret or not. I intended it to be used as an antonym to "ignorant." In any event, whatever.

I enjoy FP, and some don't. If it ever went away, my life of visiting Disney once every 2 or so years would barely change. I'm just glad it's not one of those "pay-to-cut-the-line" options or something.

 

[WDWmazprty]

 

[Evil Genius]

I really don't feel like having this argument since it seems that you are hell-bent in winning, but I don't see a problem with the choice of "in-the-know." I feel as though you are either "in-the-know" or not "in-the-know" whether the knowledge itself is a secret or not. I intended it to be used as an antonym to "ignorant." In any event, whatever.

I enjoy FP, and some don't. If it ever went away, my life of visiting Disney once every 2 or so years would barely change. I'm just glad it's not one of those "pay-to-cut-the-line" options or something.

Not to beat a dead horse (I know too, too late) but "In the know" has connotations that somehow the information is clandestine in one apsect or another...which it's not.

Again...possibly picking nits...but just wanted to get it off my chest.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Most arguments against FP center around the premise that it hurts someone, somewhere. The simple fact is, Walt Disney World is a discretionary, luxury product, so I have a hard time feeling remorse because someone I don't know might not have a good as time as me because they failed to research the simple process of sticking your ticket in a machine and coming back at the time printed on it.

I know that sounds harsh, but I'm not going to socialize my vacation so others who don't put the same effort in get the same quality product as I do.

FP works under a set of rules. I work within those rules to maximize my vacation. Everyone has that opportunity.

Sir, do you not realize that we are no longer a country of equal opportunity, but one of equal experience? How dare you assert that you should have a better time because you actually put some effort into it. That sir is Un-Amerikan.

 

[Evil Genius]

Sir, do you not realize that we are no longer a country of equal opportunity, but one of equal experience? How dare you assert that you should have a better time because you actually put some effort into it. That sir is Un-Amerikan.

Ugh...I know this was meant as a joke but MUST personal politics be brought into practically every thread???

 

[Hakunamatata]

Ugh...I know this was meant as a joke but MUST personal politics be brought into practically every thread???

Actually the comment was more social in nature than political.

 

[Master Yoda]

I really don't feel like having this argument since it seems that you are hell-bent in winning, but I don't see a problem with the choice of "in-the-know." I feel as though you are either "in-the-know" or not "in-the-know" whether the knowledge itself is a secret or not. I intended it to be used as an antonym to "ignorant." In any event, whatever.

I enjoy FP, and some don't. If it ever went away, my life of visiting Disney once every 2 or so years would barely change. I'm just glad it's not one of those "pay-to-cut-the-line" options or something.

You feelings of fastpass mirror mine. I like it, I use it I am glad that I do not have to pay for it. Like you I also do not care for US pay to cut the line system and have not been back to US in quite some time because of it.

More than anything I was trying to help you write your opinions in a way that would reflect your feelings much more accurately. The word ignorant that you avoided using is much more accurate. I understand your desire not to use the word ignorant as most people see the word as negative or insulting but in this case it is 100% accurate.

 

[Tigger1988]

Unless you're walking around with your head up your butt there's no way you can't be "in the know" about FastPass. It's mentioned on your guidemap, there's signs at FP attractions, that if you weren't aware, would make you ASK someone about them.

If you're somehow not "in the know" about FastPass a decade later you can only blame yourself and not those who use the system.

 

[Evil Genius]

Actually the comment was more social in nature than political.

Not to derail this already manic thread, but honestly the two go hand in hand anymore. That's all I'll say about that.

 

[castevens]

Unless you're walking around with your head up your butt there's no way you can't be "in the know" about FastPass. It's mentioned on your guidemap, there's signs at FP attractions, that if you weren't aware, would make you ASK someone about them.

If you're somehow not "in the know" about FastPass a decade later you can only blame yourself and not those who use the system.

I'd love to stop splitting hairs at some point, but I think you'd be surprised at how many people (many of whom probably are not on a Walt Disney World fan forum) do not know about it. I've run into people at the parks who think it's only for people who buy a certain type of pass, or stay on property at certain hotels, or don't know you can have more than one pass at the same time. I'm just saying that I lot of people don't know that they can use it, or how to use it, or how often they're allowed to use it.

And I'm most certainly not sympathetic for those who do not know all about FP. I'd love for less people to know about it. I'm just saying that in my experience, a lot of people do not know.