Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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havoc315 said:
You seem to have a problem with math. I said there has been no huge decline in the last 4 days:
On July 16th, there were 3453 hospital admissions for Covid in AZ. Today, there are 3,084 admissions. A 10.6% decline.
Not huge: The doctor cited in the article indicated the ICU was really at 120% of their real capacity. So if you extrapolate the change since the article was written, they are now "only" 108% of their capacity.
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What does AZ have to do with Walt Disney World anyway.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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KBLovesDisney said:
There have been a rise in cases, filling up of hospitals, possibly more deaths...

Will Disney close?

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Unless the government of FL says...maybe. I really don't know.
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WDW tells Florida what’s what not the other way around.
 
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havoc315

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legwand77 said:
Roundabout way of admitting now there was a decline in four days but whatever works for you.

Also you are conflating a particular ICU number with overall statewide numbers , a common error.
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Not conflating anything. I don't know that ICU's number change in the last 4 days -- It may have gotten worse while the rest of the state got a little better. It may have improved even more than the state. So applied the average. If you happen to know what happened in that ICU.... go ahead and post it.

Ahh yes -- there has been a slight decline. In fact, if you look at my very first post of the day today:
Here is what I said in my very first post today:

More good news is that the cases have leveled off and even slightly started to decline in Arizona, with hospitalizations starting to potentially decline.

So yes -- congratulations -- You caught me being totally consistent. You caught me "admitting" something that I "admitted" lo
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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havoc315 said:
That's simply false. I know an intenstivist in a Fort Lauderdale Hospital -- They have a 10 bed ICU. All 10 beds are full and they converted the PACU as extra ICU space. In his 10 years at the hospital, they had only hit 10 patients in the ICU on a handful of occasions. The census was usually 4-6 patients in the ICU at a time. Rarely over 8. When I spoke to him, they had 18 ICU patients -- so 80% over their true capacity. (they were getting ready to convert part of the orthopedic floor if they needed to add more).

The article I cited, discussed an Arizona ICU over capacity.
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That is a very small hospital if you only have 10 ICU beds.
 
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havoc315

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LUVMCO said:
That is a very small hospital if you only have 10 ICU beds.
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No...... Quite typical for a mid-sized hospital. The entire state of Florida has 5,000 ICU beds in about 200 hospitals. So the average is around 25 per hospital. But that's concentrated mostly in large urban hospitals that might have hundreds of ICU beds. The median is probably right around 10.
 
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havoc315

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legwand77 said:
So based an anecdotal evidence, not say it is untrue, but it is by definition anecdotal
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I work with dozens of clients across multiple hospitals. I won't claim to know what's happening in every hospital and every ICU in America. But I've seen enough personally to get a fairly accurate general sense.
My only interest is in understanding the truth and hopefully preserving lives. I rely on my personal experience, the official data, reliable experts and scientific studies, and reliable news reporting of firsthand accounts. I don't cherry pick, I don't get selective. I don't "move goal posts."
I happily will repeat good news and sadly comment on bad news.
 
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havoc315

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Heppenheimer said:
10 ICU beds is about typical for a mid-sized hospital.

I would also find it highly unlikely that a hospital would house non-critical COVID+ patients in an ICU, unless the rest of the hospital was also filled. That's just a huge waste of resources.
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Correct -- an ICU is required to staff nurses, critical care/pulmonologists (aka intensivists, and respiratory therapists on a certain ratio. Housing more people in an ICU would mean having to bring in a lot more staff.
Then of course, there are all the extra monitors, etc. But that's nothing compared to the cost of staffing.

You can point to any bed in the hospital and say, "that's now a surge ICU bed." But it's only ICU if it has the appropriate staff. And that staffing is spread very very thin.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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Heppenheimer said:
10 ICU beds is about typical for a mid-sized hospital.
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Not where I’m from. The only hospital I’ve worked at with 12 ICU beds was a very small 80 bed specialty hospital. I work in a mid size 300 bed hospital and we have 50 ICU beds. 20% of our population is over 65 our hospitals are always full. Anyone in healthcare that needs job security come here.
 
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legwand77

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LUVMCO said:
Not where I’m from. The only hospital I’ve worked at with 12 ICU beds was a very small 80 bed specialty hospital. I work in a mid size 300 bed hospital and we have 50 ICU beds. 20% of our population is over 65 our hospitals are always full. Anyone in healthcare that needs job security come here.
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Also not in Broward County, where Ft. Lauderdale hospital in question is, out of all the 17 hospitals that have ICU's only three have less than 10 beds.
 
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legwand77

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havoc315 said:
Not conflating anything. I don't know that ICU's number change in the last 4 days -- It may have gotten worse while the rest of the state got a little better. It may have improved even more than the state. So applied the average. If you happen to know what happened in that ICU.... go ahead and post it.

Ahh yes -- there has been a slight decline. In fact, if you look at my very first post of the day today:
Here is what I said in my very first post today:

More good news is that the cases have leveled off and even slightly started to decline in Arizona, with hospitalizations starting to potentially decline.

So yes -- congratulations -- You caught me being totally consistent. You caught me "admitting" something that I "admitted" lo
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You can easily find out that number, and I shared it showing the drop since you ignore it.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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LUVMCO said:
www.google.com

Arizona hospitals say they have ICU beds for potential coronavirus patients

Hospitals say they still have room for new patients. Intensive care beds in Arizona are nearing capacity but haven't reached their limit yet.
www.google.com www.google.com
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“'This is largely due to our continued efforts to increase staffing and expand bed capacity.'”

“'Dignity Health hospitals in Arizona remain in the contingency stage of the Crisis Standards of Care Plan established by the Arizona Department of Health Services, and our surge plans are working well.'”

Your own article disputes your repeated claims that this is business as usual.


For those wondering, here is what is happening in an Arizona hospital for it to be in Contingency:
  • Patient care areas re-purposed (e.g., PACU or monitored unit used for ICU-level care)
  • Staff extension in place (brief deferrals of non-emergency patient-care services, supervising broader groups of patients,
    changes in responsibilities and documentation, etc.)
  • Conservation, adaptation, and substitution of supplies with selective re-use of supplies for an individual patient
  • Hospital on diversion

The plan only has three stages: Conventional, Contingency and Crisis.
 
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legwand77

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havoc315 said:
Not sure. But legwand wanted to make a big deal about the slight decline in hospitalizations in Arizona... as somehow meaning Florida is just fine.
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For the record you are the one who brought up the whole Arizona deal in your first post today to take it in that direction.
 
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havoc315

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legwand77 said:
For the record you are the one who brought up the whole Arizona deal in your first post today to take it in that direction.
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I commented on the nationwide picture, including the good news that Arizona was showing some improvement.

Then you oddly played a game of gotcha... as if you got me to admit Arizona had some signs of improvement, which is what I openly said from the start.
 
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legwand77

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lazyboy97o said:
“'This is largely due to our continued efforts to increase staffing and expand bed capacity.'”

“'Dignity Health hospitals in Arizona remain in the contingency stage of the Crisis Standards of Care Plan established by the Arizona Department of Health Services, and our surge plans are working well.'”

Your own article disputes your repeated claims that this is business as usual.


For those wondering, here is what is happening in an Arizona hospital for it to be in Contingency:
  • Patient care areas re-purposed (e.g., PACU or monitored unit used for ICU-level care)
  • Staff extension in place (brief deferrals of non-emergency patient-care services, supervising broader groups of patients,
    changes in responsibilities and documentation, etc.)
  • Conservation, adaptation, and substitution of supplies with selective re-use of supplies for an individual patient
  • Hospital on diversion

The plan only has three stages: Conventional, Contingency and Crisis.
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Those particular hospitals are very busy I don't think anyone is doubting that, and that has happened before and will happen again.
 

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