Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[havoc315]

You can easily find out that number, and I shared it showing the drop since you ignore it.

REALLY? You posted the number?



“One ICU physician in Tucson, who asked not to be named for fear of employer retaliation”

Ok... please... show me the post where you easily identified the anonymous ICU physician, you identified the hospital, and you posted the current ICU usage at his hospital?

 

[legwand77]

I commented on the nationwide picture, including the good news that Arizona was showing some improvement.

Then you oddly played a game of gotcha... as if you got me to admit Arizona had some signs of improvement, which is what I openly said from the start.

Not at all just noted that your article you shared was antecdotal fear mongering in my opinion and asked you to back the random % stats that you posted with some type of source, which you haven't.

 

[havoc315]

Those particular hospitals are very busy I don't think anyone is doubting that, and that has happened before and will happen again.

Again, no. What these hospitals are seeing— they have never gone through anything like this.

Please... find another example where things get so bad that elective procedures get cancelled for weeks/months. (Not just a couple days... not a bad 2 weeks of the flu where a few doctors pick up some extra shifts).

 

[havoc315]

Not at all just noted that your article you shared was antecdotal fear mongering in my opinion and asked you to back the random % stats that you posted with some type of source, which you haven't.

I think I have no choice but to block you. When reliable stats get posted, you ignore them in favor of something you can distort or cherry pick. When firsthand accounts are posted, you ignore them as anecdotal.
I don’t understand your agenda.. to distort and fabricate, instead of just an honest understanding of what’s happening.

 

[legwand77]

REALLY? You posted the number?



“One ICU physician in Tucson, who asked not to be named for fear of employer retaliation”

Ok... please... show me the post where you easily identified the anonymous ICU physician, you identified the hospital, and you posted the current ICU usage at his hospital?

Ah you meant that one hospital that you calculated the percentage drop from his one hospital based on numbers that you know admit you don't know.

Moving on.

 

[legwand77]

I think I have no choice but to block you. When reliable stats get posted, you ignore them in favor of something you can distort or cherry pick. When firsthand accounts are posted, you ignore them as anecdotal.
I don’t understand your agenda.. to distort and fabricate, instead of just an honest understanding of what’s happening.

Fair enough if that is the case, show me any reliable stats that I have ignored and/or where I have "cherry picked" i am the one sharing state government data.

 

[Ben_since_1971]

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[Miss Bella]

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“'This is largely due to our continued efforts to increase staffing and expand bed capacity.'”

“'Dignity Health hospitals in Arizona remain in the contingency stage of the Crisis Standards of Care Plan established by the Arizona Department of Health Services, and our surge plans are working well.'”

Your own article disputes your repeated claims that this is business as usual.


For those wondering, here is what is happening in an Arizona hospital for it to be in Contingency:

• Patient care areas re-purposed (e.g., PACU or monitored unit used for ICU-level care)
• Staff extension in place (brief deferrals of non-emergency patient-care services, supervising broader groups of patients,
  changes in responsibilities and documentation, etc.)
• Conservation, adaptation, and substitution of supplies with selective re-use of supplies for an individual patient
• Hospital on diversion

The plan only has three stages: Conventional, Contingency and Crisis.

https://www.azdhs.gov/documents/preparedness/emergency-preparedness/response-plans/azcsc-plan.pdf

Isn't that what you do during a pandemic. I mean we bring in supplemental staffing every winter. Many staff were given the opportunity to upskill back in April. It was all voluntary. Some are loving it and want to transfer into ICU when this is over. Others have found ICU is not for them. None of it was forced on them.
We always use Pacu and cath lab areas to house patients during winter surges this is nothing new.

Going on diversion during the Winter surge is common. We have not been on diversion once this year.
We bring in supplemental staffing every winter. Nothing to see there.

You are correct this is not a normal July for us. It's January all over again.

The article did not contradict anything I've ever said. I've always said we are busy, but we are handling the surge well.

 

[havoc315]

Fair enough if that is the case, show me any reliable stats that I have ignored and/or where I have "cherry picked" i am the one sharing state government data.

You have ignored that 50 hospitals in Florida are at already at 100% ICU capacity (which is already including additional surge capacity)

Workbook: Public

But hey... now you will cherrypick, you will go find hospitals with capacity and you will return to the "nothing to see here" propaganda.

 

[legwand77]

Good to see Disney’s Caribbean Beach Resort opens on July 29, hopefully for Disney demand is picking up

 

[Miss Bella]

Those particular hospitals are very busy I don't think anyone is doubting that, and that has happened before and will happen again.

Oh, I've seen it waayyyyy busier. I've worked in this state for 20 years. Our non-COVID floors have been at around 70% capacity and the Covid at 100%. The rule out floors are up and down. There is a lot of shuffling patients around. We have to keep those that need to be on the dirty side on that side, and those that don't on the clean side.
Our population keeps increasing many hospitals are expanding and we have a new hospital opening this Fall. This Winter is when we will really get tested with COVID and the Flu, but I feel confident with what I've seen over the last month that we will be just fine.

 

[BellaSweet8384]

This constant back and forth is so exhausting. Its every day..in life, at work, on forums, in the news. Mask, no mask..open, closed..Covid numbers up, or down. UGH.

I am sad that our January Disney trip will probably be pushed back even more but I'm even more distraught over Disney employees being out of work or possibly exposed to the virus. That is tragic..my vacation can take a backseat.

 

[Miss Bella]

Good to see Disney’s Caribbean Beach Resort opens on July 29, hopefully for Disney demand is picking up

This was one of the two-bed options I was given but wanted a gym and indoor corridors. I would like to try a skyliner resort if I ever make it on another Winter trip.

 

[Monorail_Orange]

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Best summary of this thread in 40 words or less.

 

[legwand77]

You have ignored that 50 hospitals in Florida are at already at 100% ICU capacity (which is already including additional surge capacity)

Workbook: Public

But hey... now you will cherrypick, you will go find hospitals with capacity and you will return to the "nothing to see here" propaganda.

First no matter how much you repeat that, I am saying "nothing to see here", I never have

Yes that number is correct, never have said any different, and has been that way (in the 40-50 range) for the past month, also note a majority of those are smaller units and drug/mental rehab hospitals. Yes some big hospitals are included but in South Florida as expected as I have been saying the are very busy and have been handling the outbreak there.

 

[havoc315]

An interesting data point is the IHME projections:

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Their projections were last updated on 7/14.
So based on their projections, they expected Florida would have 5109 dead by today. Instead, the number is 5207.
They projected Florida would average 109 daily deaths by now.. instead the 7 day average was 114 as of yesterday (higher today).

Point being, if you take the IHME projections as of a week ago, Florida is doing slightly worse than those projections, already.

They projected that as of today, Florida would have 5109 deaths but a range of uncertainty between 4996 and 5482 deaths.

So how does that look going forward? IHME projects by November 1st, Florida will have 11,800 deaths if they adopt universal masking and 19,090 deaths with continued easing of restrictions. Total range of uncertainty: 9,100 deaths to 33,700 deaths.

So they are already skewing slightly on the high side. So here is the question... where do we want Florida to be 4 months from now -- With 9,100 deaths or 33,700 deaths? The answer of where in-between Florida falls, largely will depend on what precautions are taken, whether voluntarily or by mandate.
And even the "success" of 9,100 deaths would be a tragic consequence of not moving with more certainty faster.
So no matter what, we have failed. The question is, how big a failure do we want to be.

 

[Dizneykid]

Good to see Disney’s Caribbean Beach Resort opens on July 29, hopefully for Disney demand is picking up

Were any moderates open for the first weeks?

 

[Miss Bella]

First no matter how much you repeat that, I am saying "nothing to see here", I never have

Yes that number is correct, never have said any different, and has been that way (in the 40-50 range) for the past month, also note a majority of those are smaller units and drug/mental rehab hospitals. Yes some big hospitals are inlcuded but in SOuth FLorida as expeceted as I have been saying the are very busy and have been handling the outbreak there.

Let’s summarize.
We are in the middle of a global pandemic.
Hospitals are busy
Hospitals have surge plans that they have used many times in the past probably every year.
Hospitals are using those surge plans on days when the need too.
Hospitals are bringing in supplemental staffing. Nothing to see it’s done all the time. The nursing travel industry is huge and lucrative for nurses.
Hospitals are managing capacity
No one is being denied care.

For the life me I can’t figure out what his point is.

 

[Miss Bella]

Were any moderates open for the first weeks?

No. There is a schedule of when each resort opens. The Polynesian opens on August 12. It’s tempting to push back a day to stay at the Poly, but I did upgrade to a 1 bedroom at WL Villas.

 

[legwand77]

No. There is a schedule of when each resort opens. The Polynesian opens on August 12. It’s tempting to push back a day to stay at the Poly, but I did upgrade to a 1 bedroom at WL Villas.

I am heading to the Poly once it opens, but those WL Villas are nice.