Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[havoc315]

So the question is are there 4 more deaths for 7/7 still to be recorded? 9 more deaths for 7/6? 20 more deaths for 7/11 or 7/12?

Precisely. We aren't yet seeing recording the full extent of -current- deaths. Many, even most, deaths that have occurred in the last few days haven't been recorded yet.

The result: We won't really know when things have peaked, until days or weeks after such peak.

 

[KBLovedDisney]

There have been a rise in cases, filling up of hospitals, possibly more deaths...

Will Disney close?

Unless the government of FL says...maybe. I really don't know.

 

[havoc315]

Might want to read that article, not one mention of a hospital overflowing. they are very busy but not overflowing, like I said having patients in tents, having to use convention centers etc and that "interview" was from 3-4 days ago I imagine we would be seeing it by now since it is so dire there.

The situation in Arizona has stabilized a bit, but no -- there hasn't been a huge decrease in hospitalization in Arizona in the last 4 days.

Do you understand the difference between an ICU and a hospital?!?!? Nobody is claiming HOSPITALS are overflowing with people being thrown out onto the front lawn.

Me: ICUs are way over capacity.
You: There aren't people in convention centers!

Try to stay on the subject: Hospitals are finding their resources stretched thin, ICUs are being overwhelmed. ICU physicians are being forced to work to the point of collapse from exhaustion. It has NOTHING to do with whether patients are filling convention centers!!

 

[legwand77]

There have been a rise in cases, filling up of hospitals, possibly more deaths...

Will Disney close?

Unless the government of FL says...maybe. I really don't know.

Overall Hospitalizations have stayed the same in Florida for over a month, case numbers have declined in the central Florida area so no they are not.

 

[legwand77]

The situation in Arizona has stabilized a bit, but no -- there hasn't been a huge decrease in hospitalization in Arizona in the last 4 days.

Stabilized a bit, No decline at all in the past four days

(narrator - actual data shows a significant decline in the past four days)

source Arizona Dpet. of health as of this posting

 

[legwand77]

The situation in Arizona has stabilized a bit, but no -- there hasn't been a huge decrease in hospitalization in Arizona in the last 4 days.

Do you understand the difference between an ICU and a hospital?!?!? Nobody is claiming HOSPITALS are overflowing with people being thrown out onto the front lawn.

Me: ICUs are way over capacity.
You: There aren't people in convention centers!

Try to stay on the subject: Hospitals are finding their resources stretched thin, ICUs are being overwhelmed. ICU physicians are being forced to work to the point of collapse from exhaustion. It has NOTHING to do with whether patients are filling convention centers!!

ICU's are not way over capacity, very busy in some cases but not over.

 

[KBLovedDisney]

Overall Hospitalizations have stayed the same in Florida for over a month, case numbers have declined in the central Florida area so no they are not.

 

[Parker in NYC]

There have been a rise in cases, filling up of hospitals, possibly more deaths...

Will Disney close?

Unless the government of FL says...maybe. I really don't know.

And that'll be the day!

 

[ToTBellHop]

Uh, that's because it's already torn through the nursing homes in New York. All of the vulnerable people are already dead.

As someone who lives in CT, I can tell you that is false. I personally know 6 people who died from COVID. None were in a nursing home. One was 36 with no known health concerns. The other 5 were my friends’ parents, all of whom were between 55 and 65 years old.

We locked down. We wear masks. And we are largely able to lI’ve our lives now with 80-85% of parents choosing to send their kids to school in September. And my friends and their parents have stopped dying.

I had COVID, wore my goddam mask and stayed away from people, and am unaware of getting anyone (other than my wife...) sick. But I hope you’re happy in Fantasyland with such dumb-o epidemiological views.

 

[havoc315]

ICU's are not way over capacity, very busy in some cases but not over.

That's simply false. I know an intenstivist in a Fort Lauderdale Hospital -- They have a 10 bed ICU. All 10 beds are full and they converted the PACU as extra ICU space. In his 10 years at the hospital, they had only hit 10 patients in the ICU on a handful of occasions. The census was usually 4-6 patients in the ICU at a time. Rarely over 8. When I spoke to him, they had 18 ICU patients -- so 80% over their true capacity. (they were getting ready to convert part of the orthopedic floor if they needed to add more).

The article I cited, discussed an Arizona ICU over capacity.

 

[legwand77]

Rather than looking up and posting memes (that was a good one) , might want to look at the data, here it is

 

[CaptainAmerica]

As someone who lives in CT, I can tell you that is false. I personally know 6 people who died from COVID. None were in a nursing home. One was 36 with no known health concerns. The other 5 were my friends’ parents, all of whom were between 55 and 65 years old.

We locked down. We wear masks. And we are largely able to lI’ve our lives now with 80-85% of parents choosing to send their kids to school in September. And my friends and their parents have stopped dying.

I had COVID, wore my goddam mask and stayed away from people, and am unaware of getting anyone (other than my wife...) sick. But I hope you’re happy in Fantasyland with such dumb-o epidemiological views.

"Don't you think you're taking it a little bit literally, Dwight?"

Obviously I was being flippant when I said "all of the vulnerable people are already dead." I was making a directional statement, I wasn't going for nuance and precision.

 

[havoc315]

Stabilized a bit, No decline at all in the past four days

(narrator - actual data shows a significant decline in the past four days)

source Arizona Dpet. of health as of this posting

You seem to have a problem with math. I said there has been no huge decline in the last 4 days:
On July 16th, there were 3453 hospital admissions for Covid in AZ. Today, there are 3,084 admissions. A 10.6% decline.
Not huge: The doctor cited in the article indicated the ICU was really at 120% of their real capacity. So if you extrapolate the change since the article was written, they are now "only" 108% of their capacity.

 

[legwand77]

That's simply false. I know an intenstivist in a Fort Lauderdale Hospital -- They have a 10 bed ICU. All 10 beds are full and they converted the PACU as extra ICU space. In his 10 years at the hospital, they had only hit 10 patients in the ICU on a handful of occasions. The census was usually 4-6 patients in the ICU at a time. Rarely over 8. When I spoke to him, they had 18 ICU patients -- so 80% over their true capacity. (they were getting ready to convert part of the orthopedic floor if they needed to add more).

The article I cited, discussed an Arizona ICU over capacity.

Antecdote aside, considering it true, that would be one of the smaller/smallest hospitals in the Ft. Lauderdale , maybe Kindred Hospital, whose capacity in ICU is now 12.5% remaining in ICU, very busy yes ,expected as they are in the area with the worst outbreak. For context the largest hospital in Broward County, Memorial, ICU capacity is 20%. Only one hospital Westside is at 0% capacity in the ICU and there current wait time in the ER is 9 minutes.

 

[legwand77]

You seem to have a problem with math. I said there has been no huge decline in the last 4 days:
On July 16th, there were 3453 hospital admissions for Covid in AZ. Today, there are 3,084 admissions. A 10.6% decline.
Not huge: The doctor cited in the article indicated the ICU was really at 120% of their real capacity. So if you extrapolate the change since the article was written, they are now "only" 108% of their capacity.

Roundabout way of admitting now there was a decline in four days but whatever works for you.

Also you are conflating a particular ICU number with overall statewide numbers , a common error.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Reported ICU statistics are largely irrelevant anyways. Some hospitals are using their ICUs as their COVID quarantine wards and they're sticking ALL coronavirus patients in them even if they're not in need of "intensive care."

Ventilator capacity is probably more useful.

 

[havoc315]

Reported ICU statistics are largely irrelevant anyways. Some hospitals are using their ICUs as their COVID quarantine wards and they're sticking ALL coronavirus patients in them even if they're not in need of "intensive care."

Ventilator capacity is probably more useful.

No. Speaking from personal experience and contact with multiple clients who are intensivists treating Covid patients, that's all entirely totally false.

 

[legwand77]

So based an anecdotal evidence, not say it is untrue, but it is by definition anecdotal

 

[Miss Bella]

Reported ICU statistics are largely irrelevant anyways. Some hospitals are using their ICUs as their COVID quarantine wards and they're sticking ALL coronavirus patients in them even if they're not in need of "intensive care."

Ventilator capacity is probably more useful.

No. Speaking from personal experience and contact with multiple clients who are intensivists treating Covid patients, that's all entirely totally false.

There is really no way to know what every hospital in the country is doing. How my hospital manages Covid patients could be completely different from how a hospital two miles away manages it.

 

[chrisvee]

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying. When people show you who they are, believe them.

excellent advice when combined with out of the box forum tools

No. Speaking from personal experience and contact with multiple clients who are intensivists treating Covid patients, that's all entirely totally false.

it‘s a goalpost shift not an attempt to reveal truths