Bad Pirates Experience

DDuckFan130

Well-Known Member
Legacy said:
Ba-dump-bump!
I definitely enjoyed reading this thread. But O'Malley I'm really sorry about what happened. We actually got stuck in the same spot and kept hearing the dog over, and over, and over, and over again for about 20 minutes (nothing compared to your experience, I know :) ). Anyway, hopefully you'll let WDW know what happened.

Oh I quoted Legacy because I just wanted to say I love your "Ever wonder how food becomes poo?" I always crack up at that. If you look at my sig, I'm a Colin fan as well :D. Hopefully you did get it from Colin, otherwise I'd feel real dumb about now :hammer:.
 

LilDucky

New Member
DDuckFan130 said:
We actually got stuck in the same spot and kept hearing the dog over, and over, and over, and over again for about 20 minutes (nothing compared to your experience, I know

Yeah we got stuck in EXACTLY the same spot as well for about the same amount of time. It gets old... fast... but I love pirates, so it didn't ruin the ride for me forever and ever (not to mention the needed break we got, inside... in air conditioning). Hopefully youre wife wont be upset about it for much longer. You wouldn't want to miss out on PotC on the next trip would you? :animwink:
 

Raven66

Well-Known Member
dizryan said:
Check the original post, which I am sure has been corrected at this point.

Oh, and Mr. or Mrs. "sniff-sniff" misspelt "grammar".


I think someone needs a hobby if they have time to check the spelling in every one's posts.
 

PirateJosh20

New Member
Where do I even start??

Wow. I cant believe what you went through. I mean literally. I am a POTC cast member and I know lots of things go wrong with that ride. I mean It is 30 years old! Enjoy the fact its still running cause I can tell you that its amazing its still running. The imagineers do a great job doing the work they do, and they have to deal with what they have a available to work with. I cant wait till Pirates gets a rehab.

Ok so as for your "horrible" night. I first as a Pirates CM, would like to appologize for your bad experience on the ride. I am only seasonal during the summer so dont think that I was there when this happened to you. But I would liek to give you a complete explanation on why such things happen like you went through and what we as cast members have to do to make your situation better when things go wrong.

WARNING: spoiler beyond this point. im getting technical, dont read if you dont want to lose the magic. proceed if your curious

Your ride through stopped. Could have been one of many reasons. The ride could have stopped due to a stuck boat in the chase scene at the storage in gates. Most boats, where the weight of the guests is not distributed evenly, get wheels stuck in these gates. The same could have happened at storage out, which is right when you enter the jail scene. Right as boats are about to make the curve by the dog, boats can get stuck just as easy. Something as simple as a sensor somewhere in the ride could have got messed up by something passing it at the wrong time or out of sequence which shuts down the ride. Boats also can get stuck at the top of the downramp if the weir damn gets out of sequence. The weir dam is a mechanical piece that controls the water level in the upper level. as one boat goes over the ramp, tire flaps are put out automatically to stop the next boat to prevent collisions at the bottom of the drop. if the boat is stopped by the ride by chance at the wrong moment(a second or two late) it can get stopped on the weir dam and will cause the ride to shut down. This is a problem only maintence can fix.

Those are some of the reasons the ride could have went down. Now I have no idea which it really was for you since I am not currently in Florida working.

On a daily basis there are also only a certain amount of cast members scheduled at each attraction. When we open in the morning we begin with 4 castmembers then a 5th comes in to begin our breaks and rotations. so it takes a minimum of 5 to run the ride to start with. If were running the load 2 area its a minimum of 7 or 8 people to run effectively. when we get into the evening we go back down to our 5 castmembers. and the extra 5th person leaves 15 mins before the park closes. So that means that when you got on the ride there were only 5 people maximum at Pirates working. There are more than 5 evac points and there must be a minimum of 2 CM's at each. So Im guessing thats one reason your evac went so badly.

When the ride goes down we first try to establish what went wrong. Then we attempt to restart the ride to see if it will correct itself. That consists of the unload CM to leave his post and run to the backstage area of the downramp because it needs to be keyed for clear at the bottom and top. So when your the CM in this position you have to be able to move quickly and they also have to deal with all upset quests complaints about whats going on. So naturally I cant blame the CM that night for not making contact with anyone in the ride when they were on the phone. I am glad to know that you finally did get out of the ride, but I hope your wife would truely reconsider riding Pirates in the future. One bad experience can eliminate future great experiences at our attractions. Again I applogize. But I wanted to say that its not one of our favorite things to do at night, evacuating an attraction when were ready to go home after a long day and when we are low on staffing to accomplish it. But we do work our best and I know you appreciate that when you keep coming back for more :)

I also am very sorry no one bothered to talk to you after the evacuation. Did you stop by city hall? or ask a cast member anywhere else to talk to a coorinater or manager? Im sure they would have been right out to explain and talk to you about the situation.

In hopes of many more magical experiences....

PirateJosh20
 

tigger248

Well-Known Member
Okay, back to the original topic. I'm sorry about your negative experience. I, too, agree that you shouldn't let it ruin your vacation or love of the ride. Think about all the positive memories you probably have with the ride. Do you really want to give all those up for one bad experience? I hope that on your next visit you'll be able to go on POTC again and have a much more positive experience.

I'm sure that WDW knows about the breakdown, but you should still let them know about how upset it made you. They could have handled it a lot better than they did. They should have shown more empathy towards your family, as well as everyone else who was stuck on the ride. Perhaps there was another emergency that they had to deal with. Perhaps something happened to the dispatch cm (like maybe he/she got sick or something?). Perhaps there was a minor technical difficulty that they thought could be fixed. If that were the case, then maybe they waited to evacuate because they believed it was a simple, fixable problem. Then, when they discovered it couldn't be easily fixed, they evacuated it. As for the amount of time to actually get you off? Perhaps 10 minutes is normal. I'm sure it's a little difficult to hold the boats steady when they aren't "docked". They'd want to make sure it was safe for people to exit the boats before actually helping them off. Can you imagine if someone fell off the ramp because they cm was rushing to get people off faster? Though, I don't understand why they started with the people who had waited the least amount of time. It seems like it would have made more sense to start with the ones who had waited the longest, like your boat.

Often when rides break down, I think they give out fast passes good for any ride as compensation (at least that's what splash did when I worked in the photo shop. Guest relations would come back and stand in the shop giving out the passes to everyone as they exited the ride. Once the ride stopped when it was raining and the people had to wait in the outside portion of the ride and in a torrential down pour for over a half hour for someone to come help them off.). With it being the end of the day and park closing, perhaps that's why they didn't do anything at the time. I do think it was rude to not apologize for the inconvenience though. I doubt they'd give more of an explanation than technical difficulties as to what happened.

Sorry you missed the fireworks as well. Look on the bright side though, at least you'd had the chance to see them previously. I know it was raining, but still you got to see them. Some people may not have had that. Some may have missed their only chance to ever see them, so at least in that sense you could be considered lucky. I'd be upset about missing them too, Wishes is among my favorites, but at least you had seen them before.

I wish you all the luck in your writing to guest relations. Please let us know what they do about it. Most of us do care. I hope you receive a satisfactory answer and that you have a much more pleasureable experience on your next trip.
 

Dizknee_Phreek

Well-Known Member
Dizryan, just so you know, attacking forum veterans isn't the best way to make a good first impression. And just because you can post doesn't mean you're immune from being banned. Remember that, mmkay? ;)

Now, on to the original topic! I agree with most everyone else that what happened in this situation was very bad show and that it should be reported asap! Sure, we've all been stuck on attractions before...personally, I've never been stuck on one for over an hour (from what I can remember)...that's ridiculous! Hopefully, out of those stuck, no one had a medical problem which could have resulted in immediate attention (such as diabetes, etc.) And if it had been me, I would have been highly upset if I had been looking forward to the fireworks all day and then completely miss them. The very least the CM's could've done was apologize. You have every right to be disappointed and upset!
 

PirateJosh20

New Member
oh and i forgot to add this...

I understand that others were upset and actually getting out of the boats when they were told not to.. I want to mention that if they were actually caught getting out of the boat while the ride was in stopped. They would have been escorted from the park. Safety is a big issue with Disney and they would have felt really stupid if the ride would have started up and they fell in. At the load and Unload area the water is 8-10 feet deep and if you get caught under the boats and sucked down with the gears, your a gonner.

I also just cant believe that the down time was more than an hour. But like I said depending on the problem and how many CM's were there to perfrom the evac as safe as possible it could have been.

Oh and its not a makeshift bridge its a real evacuation bridge.

Thank you for being passholders, I appreciate that. And as passholders you should give the appropriate feed back. We dont want these things to happen to you, but we also run our attractions 24 hours a day. they are in opperation when you are there and maintenance runs them all night long to fix errors. So there is A LOT of wear and tear and for 33 years of operation, they are doing pretty good.

PirateJosh20
 

Legacy

Well-Known Member
PirateJosh, I would like to thank you for you addition to this thread. I think something like this is important for the cast members to recognize and respond to (especially on these boards), and I'm sure I'm not not the only one when I say I appreciate it.

Some green heading your way, and don't be a stranger to posting.
 

wannab@dis

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Legacy said:
PirateJosh, I would like to thank you for you addition to this thread. I think something like this is important for the cast members to recognize and respond to (especially on these boards), and I'm sure I'm not not the only one when I say I appreciate it.

Some green heading your way, and don't be a stranger to posting.
Ditto!!

I am really happy that you took the time to explain the way everything works. I know that it won't fix the problem that O'Malley had, but at least it gives us an idea of what goes on.

I also want to reiterate that an email or snail mail to guest communications needs to be sent. Be specific with the date and time since the breakdown is probably recorded and they will know that you were indeed part of the group on the ride. It really was 'bad show' for the CMs to not talk to you, not apologize, and take the amount of time to evacuate. Let them know so this doesn't happen in the future and then GO RIDE again! :)

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The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
Erika said:
PJosh, that's the best post I've read here in a long time. Thank you!

I agree. This information will come in handy if I'm ever stuck on the ride. I can very calmly and authoritatively explain some possible scenarios, while reassuring my boatmates that the pirates will not start running amok at any moment. :lol:
 

wdwmagic

Administrator
Moderator
Premium Member
dizryan said:
Yeah, what a horrible thing to have happen. How does one survive to live a full life after that happens?

Start building your bridge and hope that there is a grammar/spell checker on the other side.
Your posts here are argumentatiev, and not very welcome here. I suggest changing your posting style, or leaving this forum.
 

joel_maxwell

Permanent Resident of EPCOT
NTI2002 said:
well considering the amount of money one has to spend to have a Disney vacation, the cast members should really be trained better to take it upon themselves to apologize for the inconvenience. anyone who loses 35 min. let alone a day in Disney World, has a right to be angry about it.
I would be sending an email to management about this. I know I wouldnt' get anyting, but someone has to do something about the lack of attention given to the guests.

i agree that the CM's need to be more trained in GR, but by me letting it ruin my day and leaving upset isnt changing anything. go to city hall, tell them about the problem and move on. alternatively, ill wait until i get home write a nice critique of the problem and how i think they can fix it. that is all my point. i would rather be down there and have something like that happen to me then sitting in this stupid cubical. what ever makes you happy :wave:

this thread = beating dead horse :D

lastly, it would be nice if you are going to rip someone on rep points (not that i care about them) that you would sign your name. that is like taking a cheap shot at someone in the dark. just wrong.
 

Yellowbird97

New Member
Yes, Thank You Pirate Josh for explaining to us about the possiblilities of problems that could arise when POTC breaks down. :wave: And I must say that I did not know the water was that deep at the unloading area. :eek: I am too chicken to try to unload without being told to in the first place, and always listen to the CM's, but I never knew of the actual danger. Thanks for the information. Now that I do know, I will be especially cautious and I hope others will be too.

We will be in the happiest place on earth in 1 day and a wake-up :sohappy: Can't wait!
 

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