Am I the only person who is not a fan of Pool Hopping???

[mwitkus]

Let me first start by saying that I do not mean any disrespect to anyone with this thread, but I have to say that the idea of pool hopping really bothers me!!

The last thing I want when I go to my resort pool is to find the place crowded both on land and in the water.. I hate getting there and finding no chairs available or so many people in the water that you can't move without swimming into someone or getting kicked by someone as they are swimming..

Granted I always assumed this was a result of a crowded resort, but now I must ask, is this a result of pool hoppers? And if it is, I have to say I would like to see more control of the pool areas to keep them limited to those guests who are paying for the priveledge of swimming there...

Am I the only person who feels this way???

:veryconfu :veryconfu

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by The Mom
And why do YOU think some hotels charge more than others? All of the costs are factored in, including the cost of maintaing the pool, etc. For instance, Stormalong Bay has more lifeguards than the other pools...and they have to be paid. That cost is one of many factored into the hotel operating budget, and affects the price guests pay to stay there.

Oh please. That has very little, if anything, to do with the amount paid for a stay at the resort. Look at the Wilderness Lodge, for example. It's pool is very small, yet this is a DELUXE resort. The pools over at the least expensive All-Star resorts are better than the pool at WL.

 

[The Mom]

Originally posted by YankeeFan
While we're at it, why doesn't Disney also ban people from eating in the restaurants of other resorts? Each resort has their own eating facilities in addition to pools. These people are taking up tables and dinner time from those who actually stay at the resort. Disney's rule about pool-hopping, which they don't even enforce, is the equivalent of a parent giving a young child a baseball bat, telling them not to hit things with it, and then turning their back to the child and ignoring them when they DO go and hit something. The non-enforcement of their own rule is basically saying the rule is meaningless.

Because the restaurant guest is PAYING for a meal...which covers a share of the costs! A resort guest is PAYING for a room, which covers a share of the cost. A pool hopper is PAYING NOTHING...so is not offsetting the cost in any way!

And the rules ARE enforced, at least at the pools where hoppers have caused problems, by those who are not being deceitful! You are supposed to be able to produce a valid resort ID...period. If you know you don't have one, you are breaking the rules...and you know it.

Every driver must have a valid driver's license. Just because I'm not stopped every day while driving and asked to show mine does not mean that the rule is not enforced. If I drive without having one, I KNOW I'm doing something wrong...even if I'm never caught.

 

[wdwmagic]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


Oh please. That has very little, if anything, to do with the amount paid for a stay at the resort. Look at the Wilderness Lodge, for example. It's pool is very small, yet this is a DELUXE resort. The pools over at the least expensive All-Star resorts are better than the pool at WL.

It is more to do with the ratio of pool space per guest, not the overall size of the pool.

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by Eeyore
Are you saying that because the parent wasn't watching their child, it's ok for the child to hit things with the baseball bat? This is where my confusion comes from, it just doesn't make sense to me.

No, I'm saying that it's equally foolish for a parent to make a rule and not see that it's followed through with and for Disney to make a rule like this and not follow through on it. In each case, the parent and Disney knows full well that their rule isn't going to be followed.

 

[wdwmagic]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


No, I'm saying that it's equally foolish for a parent to make a rule and not see that it's followed through with and for Disney to make a rule like this and not follow through on it. In each case, the parent and Disney knows full well that their rule isn't going to be followed.

Maybe the parent in this example, and Disney with their rules, hope that the people are responsible enough not to have the rule enforced with an iron fist. In your case it seems that you only abide by the rules if you are punished for breaking them.

 

[The Mom]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


Oh please. That has very little, if anything, to do with the amount paid for a stay at the resort. Look at the Wilderness Lodge, for example. It's pool is very small, yet this is a DELUXE resort. The pools over at the least expensive All-Star resorts are better than the pool at WL.

And how many people pool hop there? Those guests are willing to pay a premium to stay closer to MK...that's ONE of the amenities that resort offers.

Other people are willing to pay more to be closer to Epcot. That's a different amenity. Others are more interested in seeing the animals at AKL. That might influence their choice. Others want a spa or health club, or an on site child care program. What we are trying to say is, people who rank a "cool pool" as a top priority are willing to pay extra for it...and the hotel charges accordingly. Each hotel has many different amenities to offer,but most people who choose a resort with a fancy pool have made that one of many deciding factors in paying extra.

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by The Mom
And the rules ARE enforced, at least at the pools where hoppers have caused problems, by those who are not being deceitful! You are supposed to be able to produce a valid resort ID...period. If you know you don't have one, you are breaking the rules...and you know it. Every driver must have a valid driver's license. Just because I'm not stopped every day while driving and asked to show mine does not mean that the rule is not enforced. If I drive without having one, I KNOW I'm doing something wrong...even if I'm never caught.

The rules ARE NOT enforced, that's the whole point. They're not enforced at pools or even with Disney transportation where SUPPOSEDLY people are required to display their resort identification. Not one time have I ever been asked by a monorail attendant, bus driver, ferry attendant, or even resort employee for my identification......NOT ONCE. The very rule requiring one to display these is entirely irrelevant if the very company making these rules is doing NOTHING to make sure the rules are enforced. The law also posts drivers to maintain a certain speed in their cars either at or just below the limit it sets......and you're going to tell me you've never gone perhaps even 1 mph over the limit? Come on.... And you're THIS concerned about people not obeying a rule to not pool-hop in Disney World?

 

[Tramp]

Hopeless...Eeyore, Mom, Gary, Erika et al....I give you credit...as hard as you're trying, it just doesn't sink in with some people...

...those who believe that the amenities of any hotel on the property is fair game to any guest on the property, is simply not thinking with a clear head.

I suspect that some people feel that amenities are NOT included in the room charge, therefore they conclude that paying guests are not being cheated out of something they never paid for...

I contend that amenities ARE included in the room charge and therefore the use of those amenities by non-paying, non-invited guests is wrong. Does anyone care, apparently not. But it does seem strange that pool-hoppers jump thru hoops not to get caught.

 

[Eeyore]

Originally posted by YankeeFan

And you're THIS concerned about people not obeying a rule to not pool-hop in Disney World?

I can only speak for myself in this matter. It's not that I'm all that concerned about people pool hopping. I didn't make the rule and it's not my job to enforce it, I just want a clear cut reason as to why pool hoppers think it is their right to do so.

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by wdwmagic
Maybe the parent in this example, and Disney with their rules, hope that the people are responsible enough not to have the rule enforced with an iron fist. In your case it seems that you only abide by the rules if you are punished for breaking them.

It's absurd to begin with for the parent and for Disney to set a rule with the full knowledge that it won't be enforced or followed. It makes no sense in either case. In my case, I've pool-hopped before, during one of my visits when I was a teenager who desired to do as I pleased and go where I wanted. Since I've gotten older, my priorities of things to do in WDW have changed considerably. I don't spend any time at the resort hotels when there are much better water parks to be visited. Yet, I can definitely see why it's so easy to pool-hop and how there truly isn't anything wrong with it.

 

[janetinpa]

I have been reading through this thread and I am very confused! I have never pool hopped. I do not intend to pool hop I do feel that I have no right to take advantage of resort pools that I am not staying in. I have one question to the pool hoppers. What do you say to your children when you go to the other resorts? What do you tell them when you have to lie to get a towel? Mommy and Daddy are not suppose to do this its a lie but, blah blah???
I understand to us there is alot of reasons why. But to the kids it is just a lie.

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by Eeyore
I can only speak for myself in this matter. It's not that I'm all that concerned about people pool hopping. I didn't make the rule and it's not my job to enforce it, I just want a clear cut reason as to why pool hoppers think it is their right to do so.

Where exactly did the word 'right' come into this for people who pool-hop? I haven't heard anyone say they do this because it's their 'right' to do so. It's not a right to do this, it's done because they can do it with, really, no fear of being stopped.

 

[Tramp]

Originally posted by Eeyore


I can only speak for myself in this matter. It's not that I'm all that concerned about people pool hopping. I didn't make the rule and it's not my job to enforce it, I just want a clear cut reason as to why pool hoppers think it is their right to do so.

LMAO...I feel the SAME way...the 'reasoning' is fascinating to me...

 

[wdwmagic]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


Yet, I can definitely see why it's so easy to pool-hop and how there truly isn't anything wrong with it.

OK so let me get this straight...

In your opinion it is OK for you as a non-paying hopper to take up pool space in a paying guests pool?

 

[JungleJim]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


Well if you'd consider how absurd it is to whine about people who pool-hop, you'd see that it really is "insignificant crap". That's not rude, it's realistic. As far as "class envy" goes, I haven't observed too much of that, but I do agree with his comment about "Mrs. Thurston Howell the 3rd". People who think that just because they're staying at one of the more expensive resorts entitles them to be put up on some sort of pedestal by Disney are deluding themselves. Their extra privileges come from the resort they're at, not by being put first in attraction lines or anything like that. They're like those who walk around the World overdressed, wearing tons of jewelry and makeup, and making a show of buying a lot of souveniers. "Mrs. Thurston Howell the 3rd" is a highly appropriate term for them.

It's sad that YankeeFan feels threatened and is jealous of others who stay in "expensive resorts". He paints them all with a very broad brush.

 

[The Mom]

Originally posted by YankeeFan


The rules ARE NOT enforced, that's the whole point. They're not enforced at pools or even with Disney transportation where SUPPOSEDLY people are required to display their resort identification. Not one time have I ever been asked by a monorail attendant, bus driver, ferry attendant, or even resort employee for my identification......NOT ONCE. The very rule requiring one to display these is entirely irrelevant if the very company making these rules is doing NOTHING to make sure the rules are enforced. The law also posts drivers to maintain a certain speed in their cars either at or just below the limit it sets......and you're going to tell me you've never gone perhaps even 1 mph over the limit? Come on.... And you're THIS concerned about people not obeying a rule to not pool-hop in Disney World?

But if I HAVE gone over the speed limit, I KNOW I'm breaking the law...and don't try to justify it by saying it's OK, no one caught me, no one asked me, lots of people do it, etc. I KNOW I'm doing something wrong.

Again, there are pools where you are supposed to produce your ID, and will be asked to produce it at busy times. If you are honest, chances are you will be asked to leave. If you utilize little tricks, you can circumvent the rules. That doesn't make your behavior right...it just means you've been able to get away with it.

If you want to ignore this rule, or any other, that is your choice. An old saying says you can tell someone's real character by how he/she acts when no one is looking, and knows that no one will ever know if he/she has done something wrong...except his/her own conscience. Just don't expect people to agree with it, or tell you you're not doing something wrong...you are.

You have yet to tell me why pool hopping is right...you just keep telling me that no one does anything to enforce the rules. Perhaps, as Steve mentioned, WDW would like to think most people have a conscience and will do the right thing, even without being forced to?

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by JungleJim
It's sad that YankeeFan feels threatened and is jealous of others who stay in "expensive resorts". He paints them all with a very broad brush.

Even more sad is how Jim feels the need to make ignorant and uninformed comments like the above in order to puff himself up in his own mind. In my stays at WDW, I usually stay at either the Polynesian, Wilderness Lodge, or Contemporary. So exactly where would any jealousy come in to play there? The above comment is as ridiculous as it is stupid.

 

[JungleJim]

The Beach Club had to put a fence around their pool because of this problem.

 

[SilentRascal]

Originally posted by Tramp
...those who believe that the amenities of any hotel on the property is fair game to any guest on the property, is simply not thinking with a clear head.

I suspect that some people feel that amenities are NOT included in the room charge, therefore they conclude that paying guests are not being cheated out of something they never paid for...

I contend that amenities ARE included in the room charge and therefore the use of those amenities by non-paying, non-invited guests is wrong. Does anyone care, apparently not. But it does seem strange that pool-hoppers jump thru hoops not to get caught.

Likewise to those who defend pool-hopping, those claiming that it's 'stealing' on the part of pool-hoppers are the ones 'not thinking with a clear head', so clearly there's an impasse here. Also, given the EXTREME ease in which pool-hoppers can go from resort pool to resort pool, there really are no hoops they have to jump through in order to do so.

 

[DMC-12]

Ummm... I am lost now...:veryconfu I thought the argument was people staying offsite...then coming and using the WDW resort pools.