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Kadruk
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captainkidd
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Sorry but, he's right. The TTA and it's audio DOES have the biggest impact on Tomorrowland.
awilliams4
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Scar,
I see you post here a lot so I am suprised that you are failing to grasp the explanation (exchange explanation with obvious if I am allowed to be rude)
What other ride in Tommorrowland has more influence in the land itself than TTA? I'll go ahead and answer that one. TTA. Wanna know why, because it covers that whole d*mn place and you can hear it everywhere. If you use to hear futuristic sounds, references and now everywhere in Tomorrowland you here what sounds like a Gillete Razor audio advertisement that you now hear in your local grocery store when you walk past that aisle, that is a problem.
Innoventions
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Yes, thankyou. One of the best post so far. Just for the bolded statement above
And i agree completely, we should wait to see if its done first, before we judge. If after spacemountain opens and that spiel is added and it still sounds like its half done then I apologize, but right now I dont think its done, too many audio gaps.
Here is the orac 1 narration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjjUasq4Hn0&feature=related
voice is very similar, hopefully this is the way the imagineers are taking it.
Innoventions
Member
This isnt the worst thing to happen, Tomorrowlands story (the one potrayed on the TTA) died with the removal of SMTV from space mountain.
If you dont remember, or want to see it here are links:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKRTYgduKU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOshRNMp9vk&feature=related
Much like people saying that the TTA brought the land together as a whole, I can argue this had a more profound affect. It had refrences to everything in the land including X-S tech
If you dont remember, or want to see it here are links:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKRTYgduKU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOshRNMp9vk&feature=related
Much like people saying that the TTA brought the land together as a whole, I can argue this had a more profound affect. It had refrences to everything in the land including X-S tech
hack2112
Active Member
Stop speaking common sense! You're scaring the children!
Wow, that's impressive stuff! Thanks for the info.
_Scar
Active Member
Space Mountain makes or breaks TLand. Isn't that a no-brainer? Every TLand has it. It's a must for any Disneyland park. Even Hong Kong knows whatsup. Are you seriously telling me TTA effects TTA the most out of any ride? :lol: :ROFLOL: :sohappy::lol::ROFLOL::lol: Does the electric tram tour at TDS make the American Waterfront a success? Not the wonderful architecture? Or what about the Suess Trolley in IoA? Does that make or break Suess Land? :lol:
Btw, you aren't supposed to hear the TTA over the TLand crowds. If you do, its because TLand is less crowded. Otherwise I wouldn't use this in your argument
blm07
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If this is Orca-1, I think Tomorrowland is gonna need a bigger boat... sorry, just had to :lookaroun
Innoventions
Member
I had orac in my post, didnt want to correct anyone though.
dweezil78
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They should bring back ORAC-1 or at least the name. It still sounds cool and would be new to almost everyone, but recognized by just enough to satisfy the old-school fanboys (like me).
Watching the old Wedway video brings a tear to my eye. The architecture of the original WDW Tomorrowland was so slick and minimalistic that, though it looked dated in the 90s when everything was loud and obnoxious, would be right in line with a lot of the great futuristic architecture of today.
Edit: BTW, does anyone else see 58 pages on this thread -- but can only actually navigate to 53 of them? (And if so, is that common on this board?)
Watching the old Wedway video brings a tear to my eye. The architecture of the original WDW Tomorrowland was so slick and minimalistic that, though it looked dated in the 90s when everything was loud and obnoxious, would be right in line with a lot of the great futuristic architecture of today.
Edit: BTW, does anyone else see 58 pages on this thread -- but can only actually navigate to 53 of them? (And if so, is that common on this board?)
Innoventions
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People got bounced, so their comments were deleted, so that made up for the other pages
WDWFigment
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Here is my take:
First, the narration is a big deal. This is because it is half of the sensory experience. There is nothing to taste, smell, or touch on TTA so the only experiences are sight and sound. The TTA does offer some pretty good views of Tomorrowland, but it also quite bare in some spaces. Given that you can see Tomorrowland from elsewhere, and given that bareness, I think any argument that the TTA is solely about the sights is fundamentally flawed. The sights may be a large component, but the sounds aboard the TTA are a large part of the experience. The sounds consist of the narration, and the area music. The area music also exists all over Tomorrowland, so it isn't necessary to visit the TTA specifically for it. That leaves the few show scenes and the narration as the only truly unique aspects of the TTA, if we reduce the ride to its most basic terms. How can the narration not be essential? The answer is that it is essential.
Moreover, and if you don't buy that argument, it's a Disney Detail. The argument that people shouldn't 'care so much' about the new narration ignores exactly what sets Disney apart from the competition—attention to detail. Do people honestly think guests should not pay attention to details? That basically would sanction Disney building nothing but unthemed rollercoasters a la Cedar Point or Six Flags. Do any fans really want that? I'll ignore the discussion about whether it's the most 'important' thing in Tomorrowland. That argument is misguided. All that matters is that it is important. Given that Disney Details are what separates Disney from the competition, every detail is important. I happen to think this is a pretty important detail; maybe not the most important, but pretty high up on the list. Regardless of where you rate it on the list of importance, you should care about it as it is a detail.
Second, there are those who say this version is better. There are generally two camps as far as this goes: those who don't like it because it was chopped up over the years and/or because they liked the ORAC-1 narration better, and those who just like the new version better. Regarding the former group, I think that's a dumb rationale. So they like the current version not on its merits versus the last version, but because of some other version that doesn't really have a horse in the race? That isn't rationally grounded. I don't care if the current version were chopped up over the years because: 1) I don't remember the preceding versions, and 2) that version definitely isn't coming back. It would be like being okay with the Winnie the Pooh dark ride being replaced with a much worse attraction featuring Stitch, Jar Jar Binks, and Carrot Top. I'm not going to be okay with that simply because I was upset when Pooh replaced Mr. Toad. Mr. Toad, at this point, definitely is not coming back. Pooh getting its “just desserts” is only something I'd advocate if its replacement is superior to it.
The other group, those who just like the new version for its substance, I can understand. At least their reason follows logic. Now, I think it may not be sane to prefer the new version, but it doesn't have a logical flaw like the other arguments I've seen. Of this group, I've seen people say it ties together Tomorrowland better. I don't see how, but whatever. My biggest problem with the new version is the voice, and the lack of anything memorable. The old narration was rife with quotable portions, this new version is mellow and lacks any lasting appeal. I would have been fine with a new narration if they at least made it unique and entertaining. This version simply states what is where—I have no problem with the narrator stating 'what is where'; that makes sense and is fitting of a transportation system, but why not do it in a fun and memorable manner? Insert witty little catchphrases or some sly humor. Do something, anything, to keep it from being dull. This version is dull. Throwing in some references to the “Peoplemover” to appeal to the Disney purists doesn't do a whole lot for me. This isn't all to say that these problems couldn't be ironed out, and some witty references inserted, and I hope they do just that in the test and adjust phase.
First, the narration is a big deal. This is because it is half of the sensory experience. There is nothing to taste, smell, or touch on TTA so the only experiences are sight and sound. The TTA does offer some pretty good views of Tomorrowland, but it also quite bare in some spaces. Given that you can see Tomorrowland from elsewhere, and given that bareness, I think any argument that the TTA is solely about the sights is fundamentally flawed. The sights may be a large component, but the sounds aboard the TTA are a large part of the experience. The sounds consist of the narration, and the area music. The area music also exists all over Tomorrowland, so it isn't necessary to visit the TTA specifically for it. That leaves the few show scenes and the narration as the only truly unique aspects of the TTA, if we reduce the ride to its most basic terms. How can the narration not be essential? The answer is that it is essential.
Moreover, and if you don't buy that argument, it's a Disney Detail. The argument that people shouldn't 'care so much' about the new narration ignores exactly what sets Disney apart from the competition—attention to detail. Do people honestly think guests should not pay attention to details? That basically would sanction Disney building nothing but unthemed rollercoasters a la Cedar Point or Six Flags. Do any fans really want that? I'll ignore the discussion about whether it's the most 'important' thing in Tomorrowland. That argument is misguided. All that matters is that it is important. Given that Disney Details are what separates Disney from the competition, every detail is important. I happen to think this is a pretty important detail; maybe not the most important, but pretty high up on the list. Regardless of where you rate it on the list of importance, you should care about it as it is a detail.
Second, there are those who say this version is better. There are generally two camps as far as this goes: those who don't like it because it was chopped up over the years and/or because they liked the ORAC-1 narration better, and those who just like the new version better. Regarding the former group, I think that's a dumb rationale. So they like the current version not on its merits versus the last version, but because of some other version that doesn't really have a horse in the race? That isn't rationally grounded. I don't care if the current version were chopped up over the years because: 1) I don't remember the preceding versions, and 2) that version definitely isn't coming back. It would be like being okay with the Winnie the Pooh dark ride being replaced with a much worse attraction featuring Stitch, Jar Jar Binks, and Carrot Top. I'm not going to be okay with that simply because I was upset when Pooh replaced Mr. Toad. Mr. Toad, at this point, definitely is not coming back. Pooh getting its “just desserts” is only something I'd advocate if its replacement is superior to it.
The other group, those who just like the new version for its substance, I can understand. At least their reason follows logic. Now, I think it may not be sane to prefer the new version, but it doesn't have a logical flaw like the other arguments I've seen. Of this group, I've seen people say it ties together Tomorrowland better. I don't see how, but whatever. My biggest problem with the new version is the voice, and the lack of anything memorable. The old narration was rife with quotable portions, this new version is mellow and lacks any lasting appeal. I would have been fine with a new narration if they at least made it unique and entertaining. This version simply states what is where—I have no problem with the narrator stating 'what is where'; that makes sense and is fitting of a transportation system, but why not do it in a fun and memorable manner? Insert witty little catchphrases or some sly humor. Do something, anything, to keep it from being dull. This version is dull. Throwing in some references to the “Peoplemover” to appeal to the Disney purists doesn't do a whole lot for me. This isn't all to say that these problems couldn't be ironed out, and some witty references inserted, and I hope they do just that in the test and adjust phase.
Innoventions
Member
I think MOST everyone on this board is in an agreement that this version, isnt good, there is just some, like me, that are trying to be optimistic and say, "ok the old narration is gone, lets hope they add some things to this narration to make it better," and move on. I think if you read most of these posts, no one really "likes" the new one, some are just going to "deal" and not complain over whats lost. Cause its not coming back. The new narration is just kinda "ok"
_Scar
Active Member
Nah. I like it. Please don't speak for me.
The TTA is a tour ride with narration that tells you where you are WITH Disney characters included now. Apparently, this is not Disney whatsoever.
You guys are funny. :lol:
Innoventions
Member
"i think" is different then "i know"
so sorry you want me to edit it to most
And dont lump me with everyone else either then. I never said i didnt like the narration, completely, it has potential, i for one enjoy the voice they use.
_Scar
Active Member
Well I hope you don't think the TTA is the most imprtant thing in TLand. No one has argued back as to why Space Mountain isn't the pivotal focus of the land. I'd just love to see that argument.
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