I always thought it was a French story. Don't they live in a "chateau"? :shrug:
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I always thought it was a French story. Don't they live in a "chateau"? :shrug:
Animaniac93-98
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So would the many other members here who openly admit to being CMs and just as openly share their dislike and criticisms for things the company has done.
Pongo
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It takes place in France, but the origins of the story as French can definitely be debated.
Pongo
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But we're talking about it's a small world here. You can't really get any more directly aimed at children... :shrug:
FigmentJedi
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Well, the French version by Perrault is the most popular one and the one that Disney used. But Cinderella is as culturally transcendent a story as you can get. I mean, that story has different forms all over the world...
Pongo
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I thought the most popular was the Grimm version. At least that's the one I grew up with :shrug: :lol:
Dragonrider1227
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Tomorrowland stopped being a serious look at the future a long time ago. Mainly because the future kept going too fast. Now it's about Sci-Fi, space travel, and aliens.
Stitch: An alien from outer space. Yeah, nothing Sci-Fi about THAT!
Buzz Lightyear: Though a toy, he's a toy about space travel.
Monsters Inc: Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch but the idea of technology that captures and powers the world with laughter can be pretty futuristic if you think about it.
I visited the old EPCOT Center in '90. I'm about to commit major blasphemy here, but was I the only one that personally didn't see it as all that wonderful? I mean, I loved the old Imagination pavillion but... that was about it :shrug:
It's a basic case of "Supply and demand" People are "demanding" the characters so Disney is "supplying" them.
Expo_Seeker40
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There is no real evidence to prove that people want to see more characters. Sure people buy character related t-shirts, merchandise, etc.....DUH! The majority of merchandise in all Disney parks involves characters in some way shape or form!
I bet the same sweatshirt moms and guests who think a cinderella spacesuit meet n greet in tomorrowland would be appropriate would be the same guests that would perk up if Disney asked them questions in a survey such as "would you like to take a journey inside a microscope?, would you like to take a submarine 20,000 leagues under the sea, would you like to blast off on a mission to mars, etc, etc, etc....no I dont mean the old rides of the past...I mean the idea behind unique and immersive attractions.
If these guests were asked these questions just like they are asked a generalized question such as "would you like to have more interactions with charaters in our parks" they would no doubt say yes to both, it's just that Disney is only asking the character related questions because they know it's a safe thing to bank on. They they offer guests little to no room for variety in merchandise, and have tons of character related merchandise and then say "reports show guests enjoy buying character merchandise) no duh....
They don't want to take chances anymore, they want to recycle their character brand over and over and over again so that all Disney parks become film vault based theme parks where nearly every ride or show allows you to experience the sequel, prequel, or rehash of the movie you saw in the theater, saw on TV at home, etc.
Disney parks: The Disney film vault museums that will always be added to but never offer anything more so long as their is a plan to play it safe in the world.
There are few complaints on the amazing refurbishment Disney has done to "it's a small world". This is what Walt was talking about so that his rides, shows dont rely on old technology, etc. Sure some rides do need to be replaced.....are many crying over the loss of the viewliner express train or flight to the moon? Of course not. Replacing AE with stitch...yup more are complaining....adding Johnny Depp three times versus one time in Pirates....yup some more are complaining...characters in IASW in such a way that members of the art and design community are complaing...hmmm a pattern
If all the characters were Mary Blair dolls, and had no toy characters, and no music from the movies with them...I persoally would have NO problem with the overlay.
There is nothing seamless when some characters have spotlights on them....toy woody jessy and bullzeye are larger than the children near them...the three cabs bounce up and down with lights around them, same with pinocchio...and cindy, alice, pinocchio, and aladdin and jasmin all have music playing over and over again in their area...so much that the "whole new world" repeats every few seconds all the way to china!
So yes, they are false when they say "none of the characters say "look at me" ". Clearly, lights, and music are telling folks....HEY.....there be a character approachin'
a few mary blair dolls, with no music and no major light sources on them....not a problem. :wave:
the other stuff.....bah
I bet the same sweatshirt moms and guests who think a cinderella spacesuit meet n greet in tomorrowland would be appropriate would be the same guests that would perk up if Disney asked them questions in a survey such as "would you like to take a journey inside a microscope?, would you like to take a submarine 20,000 leagues under the sea, would you like to blast off on a mission to mars, etc, etc, etc....no I dont mean the old rides of the past...I mean the idea behind unique and immersive attractions.
If these guests were asked these questions just like they are asked a generalized question such as "would you like to have more interactions with charaters in our parks" they would no doubt say yes to both, it's just that Disney is only asking the character related questions because they know it's a safe thing to bank on. They they offer guests little to no room for variety in merchandise, and have tons of character related merchandise and then say "reports show guests enjoy buying character merchandise) no duh....
They don't want to take chances anymore, they want to recycle their character brand over and over and over again so that all Disney parks become film vault based theme parks where nearly every ride or show allows you to experience the sequel, prequel, or rehash of the movie you saw in the theater, saw on TV at home, etc.
Disney parks: The Disney film vault museums that will always be added to but never offer anything more so long as their is a plan to play it safe in the world.
There are few complaints on the amazing refurbishment Disney has done to "it's a small world". This is what Walt was talking about so that his rides, shows dont rely on old technology, etc. Sure some rides do need to be replaced.....are many crying over the loss of the viewliner express train or flight to the moon? Of course not. Replacing AE with stitch...yup more are complaining....adding Johnny Depp three times versus one time in Pirates....yup some more are complaining...characters in IASW in such a way that members of the art and design community are complaing...hmmm a pattern
If all the characters were Mary Blair dolls, and had no toy characters, and no music from the movies with them...I persoally would have NO problem with the overlay.
There is nothing seamless when some characters have spotlights on them....toy woody jessy and bullzeye are larger than the children near them...the three cabs bounce up and down with lights around them, same with pinocchio...and cindy, alice, pinocchio, and aladdin and jasmin all have music playing over and over again in their area...so much that the "whole new world" repeats every few seconds all the way to china!
So yes, they are false when they say "none of the characters say "look at me" ". Clearly, lights, and music are telling folks....HEY.....there be a character approachin'
a few mary blair dolls, with no music and no major light sources on them....not a problem. :wave:
the other stuff.....bah
dxwwf3
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Well said! :sohappy:
:hammer:Weak arguments and you know it. So why fool yourself? You know they could have come up with SO much better stuff for Tomorrowland rather than throwing in whatever cartoon can fit even in the most remote way.
People are not "demanding" charecters. You have no proof of that.
MousDad
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You are correct that there is no scientific proof, and are probably mostly right that people are not demanding them. But anecdotally, everyone who I know who is not a Disney "fan" (which is pretty much everyone I know except you people :lol
prefers the attractions/areas that have characters. I think it is fair to say that the majority of the general public expects that in a trip to Disney World.
Vernonpush
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Was there anybody saying that this,
should not have been in the ride since it opened?
It does not look like any other of the "dolls".
But, it is a representation of that culture's literature.
Yes, Cinderella is from French Fairy Tales (but with a bad translation many, many years ago, her fur slippers are now glass:shrug: ).
The only problem I have is with the "3 Cabelleros". But, Donald's friends were created as "good will ambassadors" a half a century ago by Disney. Maybe if they were treated in the same style as Don Quixote & Sancho and Woody & Friends it wouldn't be so bad. :shrug:
should not have been in the ride since it opened?
It does not look like any other of the "dolls".
But, it is a representation of that culture's literature.
Yes, Cinderella is from French Fairy Tales (but with a bad translation many, many years ago, her fur slippers are now glass:shrug: ).
The only problem I have is with the "3 Cabelleros". But, Donald's friends were created as "good will ambassadors" a half a century ago by Disney. Maybe if they were treated in the same style as Don Quixote & Sancho and Woody & Friends it wouldn't be so bad. :shrug:
Expo_Seeker40
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Disney never "disneyfied" the story of Don Quixote, let alone he is hardly unknown to the majority of children. He truly blends in.
If Disney made a movie about him, had a castle, ride, or show about him, plushed him, and then added a Don Quioxte boy-doll riding a toy horse with a spotlight on him while the soundtrack to some Disney Don Quioxte movie played in the background then yes people would be complaining and so would I.
Adding characters into the ride as mary blair dolls wasn't so much a problem...adding them with toys, or as large toys, with lights on them, music with them, etc is overkill.
I find the white rabbit toy to be cute
If Disney made a movie about him, had a castle, ride, or show about him, plushed him, and then added a Don Quioxte boy-doll riding a toy horse with a spotlight on him while the soundtrack to some Disney Don Quioxte movie played in the background then yes people would be complaining and so would I.
Adding characters into the ride as mary blair dolls wasn't so much a problem...adding them with toys, or as large toys, with lights on them, music with them, etc is overkill.
I find the white rabbit toy to be cute
Vernonpush
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I find the white rabbit toy to be cute
Yes and very well kept from the original illustrations from the book.
And Alice is a good "Mary Blair" version of the original as well.
tirian
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Yes and very well kept from the original illustrations from the book.
And Alice is a good "Mary Blair" version of the original as well.
Considering that Mary Blair did the color styling for the animated film, it's no wonder that Alice fits the best into the new version.
Vernonpush
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Very true.
imagineer boy
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You are correct that there is no scientific proof, and are probably mostly right that people are not demanding them. But anecdotally, everyone who I know who is not a Disney "fan" (which is pretty much everyone I know except you people :lol
There should be a healthy amount of charater related stuff in all the parks (merchandice, meet n' greets, a few rides etc.) but it should never be overkill. Otherwise it feels like you're walking through a big, overwhelming commercial.
The thing is though, when people go to WDW expecting nothing but Disney characters all over the place, but discover to their surprise all the original stuff, they realize the place is a lot more advanced and mature and they leave far more impressed. I actually remember thinking that when I first went when I was 4!
MousDad
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4 year old fanboys don't count. :wave:
Seriously, I agree. A healthy balance works best. Still, it is my opinion that the average guest responds more favorably to a park / land / pavilion that is not completely void of characters.
tirian
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Ironically, that was one of the first things I noticed when I was a little kid, too; and I loved it! I remember being thrilled that there was more than I expected, and those original rides that didn't rely on cartoon characters stood out more than anything else because they were brand new experiences.