They ruined DL's Small World how much longer before they ruin ours?

[gembob]

Actually, people (including myself), love change but it really depends on what the change is. Hey, let's replace the castle with a huge rollercoaster. So what? Its change right? Change is good!

Stop twisting what I am saying and making out that what I am saying is me stating a fact when it is merely my opinion. I said, as a rule of thumb people don't like change. I did not say noone likes change full stop.

 

[HMF]

And the message is still there.

To an extent.

 

[jakeman]

To an extent.

In your opinion.

 

[Pongo]

That's the Point! The ride is supposed to be about the message of World Peace' not an I Spy game.

For someone who digs world peace so much, you really aren't being that peaceful :shrug:

 

[jt04]

For someone who digs world peace so much, you really aren't being that peaceful :shrug:

That is the way the "world peace" people roll :lookaroun

They are always contentious if you don't share the same viewpoint no matter what it is! :ROFLOL::lookaroun

 

[Pongo]

That is the way the "world peace" people roll :lookaroun

They are always contentious if you don't share the same viewpoint no matter what it is! :ROFLOL::lookaroun

:lol:

I happen to be one of those "world peace" people, however.

:wave:

 

[HMF]

For someone who digs world peace so much, you really aren't being that peaceful :shrug:

Im' only Human.:shrug:

 

[jt04]

:lol:

I happen to be one of those "world peace" people, however.

:wave:

Everyone is I think. It's just the "my way to world peace or I will hurt you" crowd I'm talking about. You know, like Cher and Bono (and I don't mean Sonny). :lol:


:wave:

 

[HMF]

You know, like Cher and Bono (and I don't mean Sonny). :lol:

Excuse me' I must be winning another award.

 

[imagineer boy]

That is true, but I think there is a difference between selling merchandise of a great attraction and changing or creating an attraction mainly because of merchandise. While the end product seemed to have turned out ok, I think that many people feel that these changes weren't made to plus the attraction as much as they were to push pins and plush.

And instead of plusing the attraction the same way they did the Haunted Mansion, by adding completely original ideas, they took the easy way out. Now if what is created is at least done well, then I don't think too many people are going to mind or complain. And personally I feel they did a fairly good job on this update. I think they could have definitely used the money wiser, but I don't think they screwed the place up either.

Many of us believe that the parks are at their best when the Imagineers are allowed to come up with their own stories. People like myself grew up with EPCOT Center and saw that you don't have to be familiar with an attraction's cast or story in order for it to be successful.

Well said! I agree, the changes aren't really bad and don't ruin the attraction (you want a ruined attraction? SGE is a prime example), but the motive behind the change is what really bothers me.

Stop twisting what I am saying and making out that what I am saying is me stating a fact when it is merely my opinion. I said, as a rule of thumb people don't like change. I did not say noone likes change full stop.

I'm sorry, but I really don't get your point. :shrug:

 

[gembob]

Which bit do you not get?

 

[dxwwf3]

I think Pete Werner summed up my feelings about this change just about perfectly in his most recent blog. Here's what he said:

"Disney says that the attractions aren’t museum pieces and it’s consistent with Walt’s vision that attractions change and morph over time. While I can see the arguments on both sides, here’s my take: If the addition of these characters was germane to the attraction, I could understand it. For instance, when Pirates was updated to include Capt Jack Sparrow, it made sense. Yes, there was some element of marketing in that decision, but the movie was based on the ride, and the inclusion of those movie characters was tastefully done and very consistent with the overall attraction.

In this case though, the addition of The Little Mermaid, the Three Caballeros, Aladdin and Jasmine among others makes absolutely no sense, and serves no purpose other than to be a less than subtle marketing addition to the ride. Disney is straying dangerously close to over marketing its attractions. The next step would be to have the Small World characters all holding a can of Coke."

http://tinyurl.com/dyed47

 

[jakeman]

... but the motive behind the change is what really bothers me.

What if the motives that you have assigned to them, without any proof at all, aren't really the motives behind the change?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Pretty much every ride is a merchandising advertisement. That's why there are gift shops outside of almost every ride. You're in a Disney park and if Disney is not allowed to advertise their products wherever they want, then IDK where they can.

There were not always gift shops at the end of the ride, were just used to it now afeter the 20 years of modern Disney mangemnet doing it whenever they can. Small World's didn't exist until the 90s when Paul Pressler was in charge. And we know how wonderful he was. dxwwf3 said it best with how the gift shops when added were to tie in with something that was already there (or in Small World case to please it's sponsor Mattel). Now rides like Small World and Pirates have additions placed in them to tie with Disney's commercialism and in your face seelling straegies that before only existed outside the rides (monorail decorations, banners, ads on napkins and cups, even pre-recorded vocies in DAWM that have kids syaing how much they wat to be ike Pirates, Princesses and referencing Jack Sparrow). They didn't destory Small World but they did add something that just has a sour spin to it.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

What if the motives that you have assigned to them, without any proof at all, aren't really the motives behind the change?

And in turn can you prove that your opinion on the motive is right? At least considering the vast opportunities for change the imagination can come up with and knowing how Disney's management system works, can you honestly think putting in characters was the best idea WDI could come up with? Why not upgrade the AAs or put new original designs in? If adding Disney/Pixar creations was all WDI could come up with they either have serious internal issues or they don't deserve their paycheques (I'm guessing it's the first one).

 

[Philo]

This is the worst thing that could possibly happen! I'm actually going to have to ride it to see if I like it or not! You always think (hope) that you'll never go on IASM again but I guess my inner Disney geek is going to win this one.

Oh well, I'm sure I'll recover!

 

[GothMickey]

And in turn can you prove that your opinion on the motive is right? At least considering the vast opportunities for change the imagination can come up with and knowing how Disney's management system works, can you honestly think putting in characters was the best idea WDI could come up with? Why not upgrade the AAs or put new original designs in? If adding Disney/Pixar creations was all WDI could come up with they either have serious internal issues or they don't deserve their paycheques (I'm guessing it's the first one).

Or it may not have been thir decision at all. I still don't think they look all that bad.

 

[jakeman]

And in turn can you prove that your opinion on the motive is right?

I don't, but I don't venture to assume motives when there is no evidence.

At least considering the vast opportunities for change the imagination can come up with and knowing how Disney's management system works, can you honestly think putting in characters was the best idea WDI could come up with?

That's not my job. My job as a consumer is to decide whether I like the changes or not and spend my money accordingly. It's really quite simple.

Why not upgrade the AAs or put new original designs in? If adding Disney/Pixar creations was all WDI could come up with they either have serious internal issues or they don't deserve their paycheques (I'm guessing it's the first one).

Why do you feel the need to insult the employees of the company when you have nothing more than your opinion? How would you feel if a stranger came off the street and said you don't deserve your job?

Overall, you people are just mean. If you don't like a change, that's fine. If you want to debate the merits of a change, that is valid as well. However, the constant insults and belittling of people working, in any capacity, at Disney invalidates any suggestions or respectability you may have.

 

[imagineer boy]

Can we please stop playing the "you don't like change" card? Its gotten very old, and there's no merit behind it. :brick:

 

[Shrike]

Can we please stop playing the "you don't like change" card? Its gotten very old, and there's no merit behind it. :brick:

You don't understand the difference between "you don't like change" and "you don't like a change?"

Come on. The hysteria is beyond ridiculous. The attraction is fine.