The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[lazyboy97o]

Say what you will about newspapers and the 1950s in media...red scare and nuclear family propaganda and all that...but come on. At least those commuter drones don't have their head in the cloud, aren't texting their mom while on a date with the love of their life, or during a movie, or at a theme park....even though I don't have a time machine and can't argue for my strong inclination that people were not really glued to newspapers to the same degree they are today glued to their smartphones, at the very least, they were processing real, hard information about the world around them. Versus today, where....well it's pretty symbolic really: we're stuck to our iPhone looking at pictures of the next one.

No, the 1950s just saw people physically isolating themselves from one another instead of virtually.

 

[71jason]

DVC members are repeat WDW visitors. After the initial, "Wow, isn't WDW great!" phase, they get bored with the same attractions, just like anyone would. That means they start looking for other things to do. A lot simply spend the day poolside. At night, they know the best spots outside of the parks to watch the fireworks. Heck, in growing numbers, a lot spend the day outside the WDW bubble. (Gasp!)

Mostly anecdotal evidence, but a surprising number of DVC owners are locals (not even Winter Park, like LBV/Champions Gate). They end up using the points for a "staycation" and avoid the parks because, hey, can go to those anytime. A nice pool, tho, that's unique.

I think the fact locals tend to burn them at WDW--rather than cash in for some truly great non-Disney deals or even Vero--shows there's a bigger psychological than economic component to DVC ownership. Discussion for another time.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Reminder: Jay Rasulo will be speaking at the Goldman Sachs Conference at 12:30pm EST today.
Link http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/investors/events#3069

 

[baymenxpac]

Reminder: Jay Rasulo will be speaking at the Goldman Sachs Conference at 12:30pm EST today.

EDT, actually. sorry, but it's one of my biggest pet peeves.

as far as phones in the parks, they're completely unneccessary.

as far as the $199 ticket @WDW1974 mentioned, it's 100% to trap DVCers on property, but like most things they've done to trap people on property in the last 10 years (magical express, disney dining plan, mymagic+), i am very much not interested.

 

[ParentsOf4]

as far as the $199 ticket @WDW1974 mentioned, it's 100% to trap DVCers on property, but like most things they've done to trap people on property in the last 10 years (magical express, disney dining plan, mymagic+), i am very much not interested.

Just cut ticket & hotel prices and there would be many more 'trapped' on property.

 

[GoofGoof]

EDT, actually. sorry, but it's one of my biggest pet peeves.

as far as phones in the parks, they're completely unneccessary.

as far as the $199 ticket @WDW1974 mentioned, it's 100% to trap DVCers on property, but like most things they've done to trap people on property in the last 10 years (magical express, disney dining plan, mymagic+), i am very much not interested.

I don't think it's just to trap them on property. If so, they would have offered discounts on longer passes too. IMHO it's more about spreading crowds to parks not called Magic Kingdom. They aren't just saying "please stay on property" they are saying "please spend a full day at each park".

 

[BrerJon]

as far as the $199 ticket @WDW1974 mentioned, it's 100% to trap DVCers on property, but like most things they've done to trap people on property in the last 10 years (magical express, disney dining plan, mymagic+), i am very much not interested.

 

[WildcatDen]

I'm not sure but I've noticed it too

Likely my fault.

That is my new Mantra.

Boss - "Your project is late"
Me - "It's PhotoDave's Fault. . ."

Wife - "Well that was quick"
Me - "It's PhotoDaves Fault"

 

[WildcatDen]

I only pull out my ________ at Disney when I'm either in line or sitting down to eat

Pefect line for that old Match Game show on TV . . .

 

[Mike S]

Pefect line for that old Match Game show on TV . . .

OMG. You are too much man

 

[GoofGoof]

Reminder: Jay Rasulo will be speaking at the Goldman Sachs Conference at 12:30pm EST today.
Link http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/investors/events#3069

So far nothing new:

• MM+ will lead to earnings growth starting this quarter. He did clarify that it wouldn't have direct earnnings but be a driver of earnings growth.
• 50% of guests now using MM+ advanced planning tools. They are still holding to the theory that if people plan ahead they will spend more time (and money) at WDW and less off property.
• 90% positive guest satisfaction surveys on MM+.
• Fastpass use up 50% compared to pre-FP+ levels.

Most of this is the same thing they said in the last earning release. No questions from the audience.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

So far nothing new:

• MM+ will lead to earnings growth starting this quarter. He did clarify that it wouldn't have direct earnnings but be a driver of earnings growth.
• 50% of guests now using MM+ advanced planning tools. They are still holding to the theory that if people plan ahead they will spend more time (and money) at WDW and less off property.
• 90% positive guest satisfaction surveys on MM+.
• Fastpass use up 50% compared to pre-FP+ levels.

Most of this is the same thing they said in the last earning release. No questions from the audience.

Nothing new regarding Shanghai except there are about 10000-12000 workers on site. Not having any critical questions from the audience regarding MM+ or Shanghai didn't help either.

 

[raymusiccity]

No, the 1950s just saw people physically isolating themselves from one another instead of virtually.

That's a 'stock photo' of a particular commuter railroad, probably posed for a newspaper of that period. You can find office photos of that same time frame showing everyone on the phone at the same time, everyone typing at the same time, everyone gathered around the water cooler, etc.
You can ask any commuter, or 'Dashing Dan' about what it was like to commute in the 50s and 60s, and they're bound to tell you how social it was. That's not even counting what went on in the 'Bar Car' !!

 

[dupac]

That's a 'stock photo' of a particular commuter railroad, probably posed for a newspaper of that period. You can find office photos of that same time frame showing everyone on the phone at the same time, everyone typing at the same time, everyone gathered around the water cooler, etc.
You can ask any commuter, or 'Dashing Dan' about what it was like to commute in the 50s and 60s, and they're bound to tell you how social it was. That's not even counting what went on in the 'Bar Car' !!

Or just watch Mad Men.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's a 'stock photo' of a particular commuter railroad, probably posed for a newspaper of that period. You can find office photos of that same time frame showing everyone on the phone at the same time, everyone typing at the same time, everyone gathered around the water cooler, etc.
You can ask any commuter, or 'Dashing Dan' about what it was like to commute in the 50s and 60s, and they're bound to tell you how social it was. That's not even counting what went on in the 'Bar Car' !!

It's also when the policies were put in place to make sprawl the dominate form of land use. Commuting as a social activity broke down because such an organization of life and space was being deliberately dismantled. Every aspect of life was to be separated apart from the others. We live in an alienating environment conjured up in the mid-20th century but connected devices are able to overcome the broken spatial organization.

 

[Smiddimizer]

No, the 1950s just saw people physically isolating themselves from one another instead of virtually.

I can't agree or disagree with that. My point was, comparing now to then doesn't really work because the quality of the information being distributed to the masses, regardless of how it interferes with our behavior, has significantly changed-arguably for the worse.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I can't agree or disagree with that. My point was, comparing now to then doesn't really work because the quality of the information being distributed to the masses, regardless of how it interferes with our behavior, has significantly changed-arguably for the worse.

The term "yellow journalism" was coined a century ago. There were plenty of lousy newspapers peddling garage. In-person conversations can also be full of plenty of garbage. Every new form of mass communication comes with the comments that it is degrading the quality of the information provided. Television, paperback books, radio, telephones, telegraphs, newspapers, printed books, and so on.

 

[Knothead]

The term "yellow journalism" was coined a century ago. There were plenty of lousy newspapers peddling garage. In-person conversations can also be full of plenty of garbage. Every new form of mass communication comes with the comments that it is degrading the quality of the information provided. Television, paperback books, radio, telephones, telegraphs, newspapers, printed books, and so on.

Thank the Phoenicians.

 

[Smiddimizer]

The term "yellow journalism" was coined a century ago. There were plenty of lousy newspapers peddling garage. In-person conversations can also be full of plenty of garbage. Every new form of mass communication comes with the comments that it is degrading the quality of the information provided. Television, paperback books, radio, telephones, telegraphs, newspapers, printed books, and so on.

No, this is different. The advent of the Internet (and most definitely NOT the iPhone) has opened the floodgates to contribution from more people more quickly than any form of mass communication. Ideally that's a beautiful thing, but the side-effect is more misinformation being spread around as fact now than ever. It goes beyond just sounding like the Luddite of the decade.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No, this is different. The advent of the Internet (and most definitely NOT the iPhone) has opened the floodgates to contribution from more people more quickly than any form of mass communication. Ideally that's a beautiful thing, but the side-effect is more misinformation being spread around as fact now than ever. It goes beyond just sounding like the Luddite of the decade.

And each of those prior developments opened a floodgate of misinformation. They each created a situation of more than before. We coped then and we will probably cope again.