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WDW1974

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Say what you will about newspapers and the 1950s in media...red scare and nuclear family propaganda and all that...but come on. At least those commuter drones don't have their head in the cloud, aren't texting their mom while on a date with the love of their life, or during a movie, or at a theme park....even though I don't have a time machine and can't argue for my strong inclination that people were not really glued to newspapers to the same degree they are today glued to their smartphones, at the very least, they were processing real, hard information about the world around them. Versus today, where....well it's pretty symbolic really: we're stuck to our iPhone looking at pictures of the next one.

Yes, again big difference between reading real news and gaining knowledge versus reading up on Tony Romo's last game or sending a nude selfie to a fanboi friend or even ... yes, posting on a Disney forum.

People are dumber than ever, yet they have more information (not knowledge) at their fingertips than ever.

No comparison between reading newspapers in the 50s or 70s and playing with iPhones in the 21st century.
 

WDW1974

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I don't think it's Disney trying to get people hooked on their phones it's the other way around.

It's Disney Walmarting itself to meet the LCD in society today.

You can say it's about giving people what they want, but Disney was never about that ... hell, Cook used a Disney line in his presentation yesterday and I'm shocked no one here (that I've read) has brought it up. He said Apple was in the business of giving consumers products they didn't know they wanted or needed.

I disagree with him (naturally).

But I don't think Disney should be dumbing its offerings down because people are more ignorant than ever. I am an elitist though. ... I only hang associate with people who use toilet paper.
 

lazyboy97o

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Create the model? I don't know my tech history, sorry. I do know they profit mightily on said model, right?

And while you may need an upgrade every now and then, plenty of people (not the hip kidz) are using six-year old computers to read this.

Perhaps, the seemingly planned obsolescence so intertwined with the Apple product isn't a great thing?
Personal computers saw the same sort of rapid changes and cycles. Higher costs prevented the same sort of widespread turnover, but it was a similar cycle. Like with desktops, and then laptops, there will be a point where software demands will stop outpacing hardware demands giving devices longer up-to-date lifespans.

Yes, again big difference between reading real news and gaining knowledge versus reading up on Tony Romo's last game or sending a nude selfie to a fanboi friend or even ... yes, posting on a Disney forum.

People are dumber than ever, yet they have more information (not knowledge) at their fingertips than ever.

No comparison between reading newspapers in the 50s or 70s and playing with iPhones in the 21st century.
And who was this grand censor and arbiter who compelled all newspapers to only print "real" news? Was yellow journalism never really a thing? Newspapers financed by people specifically to advocate their singular agenda were not a thing?
 

BrianLo

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Wonder how the UNI foamers will take this, but some of UNI's research has shown that people visiting DA feel it has too many shops and not enough attractions (how many minutes before the Twits who never read a word here will have this and be ROTFLTFAO while ignoring the pesky fact that UNI execs are concerned about this?)

I think that's a fair concern for them. Taken as a "whole" the Wizarding World is fairly well built out, but it's a bit lopsided if you can't get on Gringott's easily.

But... isn't that the point of "Phase 3"? Or is that what you mean by budget cuts.
 
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the.dreamfinder

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Create the model? I don't know my tech history, sorry. I do know they profit mightily on said model, right?

And while you may need an upgrade every now and then, plenty of people (not the hip kidz) are using six-year old computers to read this.

Perhaps, the seemingly planned obsolescence so intertwined with the Apple product isn't a great thing?
Samsung is worse.
 

TeriofTerror

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It's Disney Walmarting itself to meet the LCD in society today.

You can say it's about giving people what they want, but Disney was never about that ... hell, Cook used a Disney line in his presentation yesterday and I'm shocked no one here (that I've read) has brought it up. He said Apple was in the business of giving consumers products they didn't know they wanted or needed.

I disagree with him (naturally).

But I don't think Disney should be dumbing its offerings down because people are more ignorant than ever. I am an elitist though. ... I only hang associate with people who use toilet paper.
And where Cook says "giving consumers products they didn't know they wanted or needed", I translate "did a great snow job convincing people they need something totally superfluous". (There's a "Frozen" joke in there somewhere, but I'm way too tired to flush it out.) I, for one, am still quite content with my Galaxy S3, and have been quite resistant to suggestions that I upgrade.
 

GoofGoof

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There's a huge disclaimer missing from Rasulo’s remark. So huge that I’m tempted to call Rasulo deceitful if he doesn’t emphasize it at the next quarterly call.

Bear with me while I explain …

One of the reasons it’s so hard to pin down MyMagic+’s price tag is because its costs are buried everywhere.

When it comes to new theme park rides, most costs are brick & mortar related. These show up as capital expenditures (capex).

When someone asks, “How much did the New Fantasyland cost?” they typically have capex in mind.

Not so with MyMagic+. Yes, it has a lot of capex. However, its costs are also are squirreled away in traditional operating expenditures (opex) and also something Disney refers to as “Selling, general, administrative and other”.

So, when P&R Chairman Tom Staggs laughs at the notion that MyMagic+ “costs” over a billion, it’s because he’s mentally cherry-picking the costs in his reply. “Golly gee, when I’m asked about the cost of a cruise ship, they are asking about its capex number, so that’s what the question means, right?” ;)

Never mind that corporate Disney buried MyMagic+’s costs all over the place.

For the first nine months of the fiscal year, opex is up 6%, depreciation associated with capital investments is up 7%, but this funky “Selling, general, administrative and other” is down 2%.

What Rasulo is not being open about is that, like any project, these costs are down due to the simple fact that the project is complete.

If you don’t believe me, then please refer to the company’s most recent 10Q:

“Selling, general, administrative and other costs decreased $26 million from $1,422 million to $1,396 million primarily due to the absence of development costs for MyMagic+”.

For reference, this line item was up 29% over the previous 3 years.

Iger and Rasulo are going to tell you Parks & Resort Operating Income is up some terrific number because of MyMagic+.

What they are not going to tell you is that it’s up for the simple reason that they’ve stopped throwing money at MyMagic+.
Good observation. This makes a lot of sense. The host brought up the point point that Iger said on the last earnings call that MM+ will positively contribute to earnings for the first time this quarter. Rasulo corrected him and said that what he thought Bob said is MM+ would contribute to earnings growth this quarter not necessarily earnings. If you read between the lines that could be saying expense will be down. When you compare Q4 of this fiscal year (7/1/14 to 9/30/14) to Q4 last year (7/1/13 to 9/30/13) you will see a drop off in MM+ expense. Last year they were still rolling out the system. They still had an army of consultants and programers plus all the additional CMs assigned to helping guests figure out how to use the bands. Even if the system doesn't drive a dime of additional revenue they will still show earnings growth due to the decreased expense.

At some point weren't we talking about a number that was an 11% increase in revenue? Did they shift focus to net earnings or am I just remembering that wrong?
 
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AEfx

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And each of those prior developments opened a floodgate of misinformation. They each created a situation of more than before. We coped then and we will probably cope again.

The difference is in the barrier of entry (or lack thereof).

It's a double edged sword. There isn't anything stopping anyone from publishing anything worldwide, which is awesome and ridiculous all at the same time. I'm sure we will survive, but it's only just begun, really - and it's something society as a whole has never dealt with on this kind of scale before. We have not even begun to realize the impact this current environment is going to have on Generation Touchscreen. It's nothing like we have ever seen before in human history.
 

71jason

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Wonder how the UNI foamers will take this, but some of UNI's research has shown that people visiting DA feel it has too many shops and not enough attractions (how many minutes before the Twits who never read a word here will have this and be ROTFLTFAO while ignoring the pesky fact that UNI execs are concerned about this?)

Early reports made Borgin & Burkes and Weasley's sound more like walk-through A-ticket attractions--there's no question that what opened are just straight-up shops. They tried to turn Madam Milkin's into another Ollivander's-type experience, but it doesn't seem to be taking. (Buying a want is iconic; trying on robes, not so much).

While I think when done right themed shops/eateries absolutely help establish atmosphere (e.g. old MSUSA, The Yankee Peddler, Moes Tavern), Universal went a little too overboard in their "shopping as an attraction" plans. Diagon Alley sorely needs a Flight of the Hippogriff/Luigi's Tires, probably even two C-tickets like that given its size.

I know I'm very much looking forward to the ice cream. Much more so than the shops (although I do think I should have an interactive wand in my hands! ... Tohmmmmy ... Tohmmmmy ... tell me you got that!?!!)

Do not miss out on the Apple Crumble. Not as in love with the Chocolate Chilli as the fanbois, I'd rather pair it with the Sticky Toffee Pudding or the Peanut Butter-Strawberry (a flavor every Brit I've ever known would find disgusting, but whatever).
 

GoofGoof

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It's Disney Walmarting itself to meet the LCD in society today.

You can say it's about giving people what they want, but Disney was never about that ... hell, Cook used a Disney line in his presentation yesterday and I'm shocked no one here (that I've read) has brought it up. He said Apple was in the business of giving consumers products they didn't know they wanted or needed.

I disagree with him (naturally).

But I don't think Disney should be dumbing its offerings down because people are more ignorant than ever. I am an elitist though. ... I only hang associate with people who use toilet paper.

Before Disney released an official app with standby line wait times there were multiple apps out there which provided the same info from unofficial sources. I know, I had the Touringplans.com one. People complained that Disney should just release an app with official wait times. That aspect was exactly what the people were asking for. The other things like making/changing ride and dining reservations on your phone are also considered a plus to the system by those using the app. Nobody asked for FP+, but if they rolled that system out without the ability to make changes on your phone the masses would be complaining and asking for it. I don't see how that's dumbing down their offerings. If you don't want to use your phone to access MM+ you don't have to, but the majority of users seem to have positive feedback on that aspect even if they disagree with the project as a whole.
 

lazyboy97o

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The difference is in the barrier of entry (or lack thereof).

It's a double edged sword. There isn't anything stopping anyone from publishing anything worldwide, which is awesome and ridiculous all at the same time. I'm sure we will survive, but it's only just begun, really - and it's something society as a whole has never dealt with on this kind of scale before. We have not even begun to realize the impact this current environment is going to have on Generation Touchscreen. It's nothing like we have ever seen before in human history.
My point though is that every previous innovation lowered the barrier of entry and created a situation/scale not seen before. There has also been plenty of schlock in circulation. We just do not have access to a lot of it anymore because people do not tend to save crap and the emphasis on preservation for everything really grew in the latter half of the 20th century.
 

AEfx

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Have I said recently how much I truly hate The Disney Parks Blog?

I have to say that having them on my RSS feed is both hilarious and heartbreaking at once. They try so very hard to make nothing into something, and looking back through a few weeks of headlines you realize just how very sad it is because they don't have anything exciting to talk about. The closest they have come have been the HM shop developments - the one attraction that I have always been like "why isn't there a gift shop at the end of this one?" That said, it's stuff I'll probably end up picking up on eBay because who the heck knows when I'll go back to WDW again. I was planning a trip this fall but cancelled it - just no desire to spend that much to do that little. Hopefully I'll see some of it show up at Disneyland where I actually go these days.

Sometimes hyperbole is warranted to illustrate the lunacy as play. Apple designs phones so you basically have to replace them every 18 months. I find that absurd.

I realized how ridiculous this was when at a WDW outlet store and saw it was selling iPhone covers for $3.99 (instead of the $30-35 it charges full price), but it was quickly explained to me that those are for the iPhone3 (you'd think this was tech from 1979 the way it was explained) and ''nobody has that phone now.''

Apple did not create the model. Nor is there anything in the design that makes one "have" to replace them. Just like regular computers, new software is eventually not going to work on old hardware. Six years is hardly yesterday.

They didn't create it, but they certainly perfected it.

I believe @WDW1974 is absolutely correct. I could write an essay on it, but it's so easy to demonstrate it's really not necessary. The non-user replaceable battery which seems to crap out at about 18 months (conveniently past the paltry one-year warranty, unless you pay another $100+ for an additional year of limited warranty coverage), the app update ecosystem which causes you to have to update apps to keep existing functionality, which in turn requires you to do the system updates, which are not optimized for use on earlier devices even though they are all but required.

It's often more of a struggle just to maintain functionality with each update, even when a lot of the time nothing has been actually enhanced.

In any case, the iWatch was a disapointment, and Apple knew it. Usually they announce a product and it's immediately available, yet this one is not until next year (pretty much crazy in Apple land). Couple that with the lackluster showing of the new iPhone6's (the stats were really pathetic compared to the rest of this year's phones which are already out), and the glaring absence of Jobs is palatable. I was not a fan of the man by any means, but when you look at that clunky iWatch and the not-even-trying iPhone6, his absence was well noted.

It's funny, but when I was reading about the event yesterday - you know what I kept thinking about? Apple has gone to the same place WDW did - they didn't bring anything new to the table (don't even get me started on the pay by phone thing, the only ones who drive the need for that are those that profit from getting in between you and the credit card companies) - now they are just coasting on their name and cache.

I was waiting for them to announce some sort of "lifetime* upgrade program" similar to DVC where you can pay an absurd amount of money to buy in to their phones for a specified future time frame, and yearly maintenance payments until then.
 

ParentsOf4

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Good observation. This makes a lot of sense. The host brought up the point point that Iger said on the last earnings call that MM+ will positively contribute to earnings for the first time this quarter. Rasulo corrected him and said that what he thought Bob said is MM+ would contribute to earnings growth this quarter not necessarily earnings. If you read between the lines that could be saying expense will be down. When you compare Q4 of this fiscal year (7/1/14 to 9/30/14) to Q4 last year (7/1/13 to 9/30/13) you will see a drop off in MM+ expense. Last year they were still rolling out the system. They still had an army of consultants and programers plus all the additional CMs assigned to helping guests figure out how to use the bands. Even if the system doesn't drive a dime of additional revenue they will still show earnings growth due to the decreased expense.

At some point weren't we talking about a number that was an 11% increase in revenue? Did they shift focus to net earnings or am I just remembering that wrong?
For the first 3 quarters of fiscal year 2014, Disney's Domestic Parks & Resorts Revenue was up only 8.4%. In case anyone thinks this is good, it averaged 10.7% the 3 years before that. In other words, in MyMagic+'s first year of widespread deployment, revenue growth has slowed down.

MyMagic+ is not to blame. Economic events in South America have dampened growth at both WDW and Uni.

Furthermore, both WDW and Uni are guilty of aggressive price increases from 2011 to 2013. These increases also are inhibiting growth in 2014.

Taken together, the two have turned what could have been a great summer into only a good one. Expectations are not being met at both at WDW and at Uni.

At this point, there's almost no way Disney is going to be able to point to MyMagic+ as a source of revenue growth. In order to save face, Iger and Rasulo are going to have to focus on Operating Income growth.

As I explained earlier, this is going to improve but only because Disney has stopped throwing money at MyMagic+.

I previously suggested we should wait at least 3 or 4 more quarters before deciding if MyMagic+ was financially successful. Based on the word gymnastics Iger & Rasulo have been performing lately, it appears they already feel that MyMagic+ is a financial dud.
 
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danv3

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Good observation. This makes a lot of sense. The host brought up the point point that Iger said on the last earnings call that MM+ will positively contribute to earnings for the first time this quarter. Rasulo corrected him and said that what he thought Bob said is MM+ would contribute to earnings growth this quarter not necessarily earnings. If you read between the lines that could be saying expense will be down. When you compare Q4 of this fiscal year (7/1/14 to 9/30/14) to Q4 last year (7/1/13 to 9/30/13) you will see a drop off in MM+ expense. Last year they were still rolling out the system. They still had an army of consultants and programers plus all the additional CMs assigned to helping guests figure out how to use the bands. Even if the system doesn't drive a dime of additional revenue they will still show earnings growth due to the decreased expense.

At some point weren't we talking about a number that was an 11% increase in revenue? Did they shift focus to net earnings or am I just remembering that wrong?

This is outstanding. Unnecessarily increase operating expenses for X quarters, then drop the increased expense and point to the improved profitability as a result of the lowered expense as success.

I always wondered where the revenue growth was going to come from. I guess now I know. There isn't going to be any.
 
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wdwmagic

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In any case, the iWatch was a disapointment, and Apple knew it. Usually they announce a product and it's immediately available, yet this one is not until next year (pretty much crazy in Apple land). Couple that with the lackluster showing of the new iPhone6's (the stats were really pathetic compared to the rest of this year's phones which are already out), and the glaring absence of Jobs is palatable. I was not a fan of the man by any means, but when you look at that clunky iWatch and the not-even-trying iPhone6, his absence was well noted.

It's funny, but when I was reading about the event yesterday - you know what I kept thinking about? Apple has gone to the same place WDW did - they didn't bring anything new to the table (don't even get me started on the pay by phone thing, the only ones who drive the need for that are those that profit from getting in between you and the credit card companies) - now they are just coasting on their name and cache.

I was waiting for them to announce some sort of "lifetime* upgrade program" similar to DVC where you can pay an absurd amount of money to buy in to their phones for a specified future time frame, and yearly maintenance payments until then.

You need to be sure of your Apple history before making such claims.

Jobs unveiled the original iphone in Jan 2007. It went on sale in June 2007.

Ipad was announced Jan 2010, and released April 2010.

The few months wait for the Apple watch is entirely in keeping with Apple practices of major product launches, not a sign of a weak product.
 

GoofGoof

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This is outstanding. Unnecessarily increase operating expenses for X quarters, then drop the increased expense and point to the better profitability as a result of the lowered expense as success.

I always wondered where the revenue growth was going to come from. I guess now I know. There isn't going to be any.
Revenue growth from MM+ was never going to be quantifiable. They are still talking up the point that they believe that if people make plans before arriving they spend more time (and money) on property and less elsewhere in Orlando. Let's assume for a minute that this statement is 100% true. How could you ever quantify those gains? I suppose they could have some internal metrics tracking number of days spent in the parks, but the spending part is nearly impossible to quantify. This is why I was always skeptical of the revenue percentages thrown around here.
 

TalkingHead

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Early reports made Borgin & Burkes and Weasley's sound more like walk-through A-ticket attractions--there's no question that what opened are just straight-up shops. They tried to turn Madam Milkin's into another Ollivander's-type experience, but it doesn't seem to be taking. (Buying a want is iconic; trying on robes, not so much).

Borgin and Burkes could have been more involving. It's interesting to walk through, but it's also the one store that seems to be crowded and hard to navigate like the Hogsmeade stores are.

I wonder how much merch UNI expected to sell. I'm not a good test subject, because I almost never buy theme park merchandise. (Kicked that habit many years ago.) There's very little in DA that I would want to buy. An interactive wand eventually? Maybe. But not the candy box at Weasleys' that retails for $50 (I think?). The stuffed animals? Nope. The Hogwarts houses junk at the exit of Gringotts? I mean, there might be something in there I might buy, but probably not at the theme park prices. If they had a nice lithograph of the map of the Wizarding World, I might bite. The tacky shirts in Borgin and Burkes? No thanks.

While I think when done right themed shops/eateries absolutely help establish atmosphere (e.g. old MSUSA, The Yankee Peddler, Moes Tavern), Universal went a little too overboard in their "shopping as an attraction" plans. Diagon Alley sorely needs a Flight of the Hippogriff/Luigi's Tires, probably even two C-tickets like that given its size.

I agree to a point. One of the things I liked about Diagon Alley is that it feels like a real city. The big ride is completely hidden when you're walking the area. I would've liked another C-ticket that was hidden or that was contained within the Wizarding World (e.g. a museum-like dark ride for wizards shopping in DA, etc).

Do not miss out on the Apple Crumble. Not as in love with the Chocolate Chilli as the fanbois, I'd rather pair it with the Sticky Toffee Pudding or the Peanut Butter-Strawberry (a flavor every Brit I've ever known would find disgusting, but whatever).

Apple Crumble and Caramel Blondie are the best flavors I've had other than Butterbeer.
 

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