The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[Phil12]

 

[doctornick]

Sure. The main difference is that staying there or being an AP gets a benefit of the reservation system. Offsite users can still get FP+ at arrival. However, even now, it is better for them as they can get 3 at once without having to do RunDisney.

Off-site guests can still reserve 30 days in advance (same as APs), as long as they have a valid park ticket.

 

[dadddio]

Ignore Hogwarts Express... with the new lineup of WWoHP, Transformers, Simpsons, Diagon Alley, Despicable Me, RipRockit, etc... there is PLENTY of fresh stuff out there motivating people to buy a 2 park ticket.

It seems that those things had already motivated the hypothetical guests to buy multi-day tickets, but not necessarily multi-park tickets.

 

[wdisney9000]

that amounts to a twenty dollar fee for each member of the family just to ride Hogwarts.

Or they could just pay Disney a $45 fee per family member to stay in Epcot a little later just to have a drink.

 

[tamotu99]

Anyone that wants to do Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley, needs a two park pass, the hogwarts express is in essence a heavily themed more attractive monorail between Magick Kingdom and Epcot, you know you need a ticket that allows you entrance into both of those parks

Wouldnt surprise me though if eventually Universal get rid of 1 park passes

 

[Californian Elitist]

Reasons why I go to Cedar Point every few years. I need my fix of thrill-coasters.

I love my Disney, don't get me wrong, but every now and then I just want to scream and have an adrenaline rush that only Amusement Parks can provide.

Agreed. Sometimes CA Screamin' just doesn't do it for me.

 

[dadddio]

Sure. The main difference is that staying there or being an AP gets a benefit of the reservation system. Offsite users can still get FP+ at arrival. However, even now, it is better for them as they can get 3 at once without having to do RunDisney.

Off site guests can prereserve FP+s 30 days prior.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Anyone that wants to do Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley, needs a two park pass, the hogwarts express is in essence a heavily themed more attractive monorail between Magick Kingdom and Epcot, you know you need a ticket that allows you entrance into both of those parks

Wouldnt surprise me though if eventually Universal get rid of 1 park passes

I agree with you here, but to play Devil's Advocate (and cause you know someone will bring this up), you don't need a park hopper to ride the monorail, where you'll need Universal's version of the park hopper to ride the Hogwart's Express...

I still think it's a brilliant idea by Universal, brilliant business decision... Get more money out of guests who CHOOSE to pay for it.. They don't have to...

 

[tamotu99]

Same here. My wife and I go on vacation to get a BREAK from all the scheduling and planning we do in our everyday lives. Theres nothing like waking up at Yacht/Beach Club and having coffee on our balcony overlooking Crescent Lake and deciding what park to visit that day. Thats all the planning we need.

I know there are many first time visitors that the system may help but I think part of what makes/made WDW so special was all the exploring you could do and finding new things around every corner. Theres a huge difference when you DISCOVER something magical that comes across the path you chose that day at WDW rather than planning to do it on the third day of your trip at 3 pm because thats the day you chose to use FP+ at MK and you can squeeze it in before you ride Space Mountian. Forced experiences are a far cry from organic ones. For decades people managed to navigate through WDW and actually returned for more and it didnt require MM+. People just think they need this because, well,..."Disney said so"

Nothing stops you at all from doing that now, in fact it is even easier.

Take for example our last trip, we didnt have FPs planned for everyday, however one day we had them booked for DHS quite early in the day, but it was raining and the forecast was rain till about midday, so we scrapped that idea, logged in while sitting on balcony at AKL and got early evening fastpasses for Soarin, and a couple of others in Epcot, Living with land and SSE i think and had a lazy day at the resort doing what we felt like

 

[Todd H]

 

[dadddio]

Or they could just pay Disney a $45 fee per family member to stay in Epcot a little later just to have a drink.

???

I can see where you are, but I don't know where you are coming from or where you are going to.

 

[tamotu99]

I agree with you here, but to play Devil's Advocate (and cause you know someone will bring this up), you don't need a park hopper to ride the monorail, where you'll need Universal's version of the park hopper to ride the Hogwart's Express...

I still think it's a brilliant idea by Universal, brilliant business decision... Get more money out of guests who CHOOSE to pay for it.. They don't have to...

Yeah, but unless you are a weirdo that has a strange fascination with the Epcot parking lot, there isnt a lot of point in doing it, if you are riding that monorail towards Epcot, 99.9999% you are going into the park going the other way is of course slightly different with the three resorts

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yeah, but unless you are a weirdo that has a strange fascination with the Epcot parking lot, there isnt a lot of point in doing it, if you are riding that monorail towards Epcot, 99.9999% you are going into the park going the other way is of course slightly different with the three resorts

Hey some people like to view the monorail as an attraction...

 

[wdisney9000]

Nothing stops you at all from doing that now, in fact it is even easier.

When did I say we stopped doing that?

 

[tamotu99]

So whats your complaint?

Disney implemented something that wasn't of use to you, but does it detract from your holiday? are your holidays any worse of for it, or because other people use it?

 

[monothingie]

Can I get an executive summary of who's sniping with who on this thread? I sort of lost track after we got into the double digits...

 

[tamotu99]

Hey some people like to view the monorail as an attraction...

Well the monorail is pretty coo

 

[spacemt354]

Yes, Space Mountain is a kiddie coaster when compared to the behemoths at Six Flags parks, which is what I'm referring to. If I was just talking about Disney parks, I wouldn't call Space Mountain a kiddie coaster.

Never been on RnRC, but California Screamin' is nothing compared to other roller coasters I've been on. The drops aren't too steep and the inversion is meh.

Rides like California Screamin' don't satisfy my uncle and some of my friends. They would even call that a kiddie coaster. You said it yourself, if one expects to find rides that are on the level of Six Flags, they will be disappointed.

Right but I think "have something for everyone" and "appeal to everyone" are two different arguments.

When you said Disney doesn't have something for everyone, I disagree, because they do.

It's a different story if you're going to say Disney parks "appeal" to everyone. Naturally someone who is a thrill junkie who likes big coasters is not going to be appealed by Disney, because they have one or two coasters that fit their level of thrill. I wouldn't pay top dollar to ride one or two rides when I can go to Six Flags for less and ride 10 or 12 rides, if that's what you're into. But that doesn't mean there still isn't something for them at Disney.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Can I get an executive summary of who's sniping with who on this thread? I sort of lost track after we got into the double digits...

Its obviously an area of interest perhaps a spread sheet would be in order with pivot tables.

 

[marni1971]

Living with land and SSE

Two attractions that ran perfectly well for 31 years without Fastpass.

(Well, one did and the other was ditched when they originally realised their error)