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[PhotoDave219]

Is that true?

Certainly, most guests probably have multi-day tickets, but I don't know if the average tourist who plans to spend two days at Universal would otherwise pony up the extra money for 'park hoppers'.

Well, if it isn't now, it will be soon.

That's genius & shrewd by Universal to make it so you have to buy admission to both parks to see all of Harry potter.

 

[dadddio]

Not to my knowledge.

Given that it has had at least an hour wait for about 9 years, I'd say it works the way it is.

Besides, there are better ways of spending money in future world that don't involve updating an attraction that doesn't need it. IMO.

I agree that this is a very popular ride, but the issues with the film have been readily apparent for a long time.

 

[Bairstow]

Well, if it isn't now, it will be soon.

That's genius & shrewd by Universal to make it so you have to buy admission to both parks to see all of Harry potter.

If/when the queues ever die down, the Express will also be a great convenience for guests

 

[arko]

And one could argue that it should have always been a paid service or at leat exclusive to resort guests. This system just ruins any attempt at people like my wife and myself who feel like going to a certain park one day just because we are on vacation...

have you actually booked a last minute FP+ or used a kiosk in the park?

 

[dadddio]

Well, if it isn't now, it will be soon.

That's genius & shrewd by Universal to make it so you have to buy admission to both parks to see all of Harry potter.

The point of the post that started that track was that it is a negative that this attraction requires a 'park hopper' ticket. The fact that most people will cave to this doesn't change that negative and it certainly doesn't support the poster's point that I was responding to which was that this an issue at all because most people bought hoppers anyway. (Paraphrased heavily for clarity.)

 

[Cesar R M]

That sounds even more fantastic… Although there are no penguins in Norway. Tho I'm willing to overlook that detail.

Yes, Space Mountain is a kiddie coaster when compared to the behemoths at Six Flags parks, which is what I'm referring to. If I was just talking about Disney parks, I wouldn't call Space Mountain a kiddie coaster.

Never been on RnRC, but California Screamin' is nothing compared to other roller coasters I've been on. The drops aren't too steep and the inversion is meh.

Rides like California Screamin' don't satisfy my uncle and some of my friends. They would even call that a kiddie coaster. You said it yourself, if one expects to find rides that are on the level of Six Flags, they will be disappointed.

according to you.. the coasters should only be ranked according to their speed and "force" factor?

 

[PhotoDave219]

The point of the post that started that track was that it is a negative that this attraction requires a 'park hopper' ticket. The fact that most people will cave to this doesn't change that negative and it certainly doesn't support the poster's point that I was responding to which was that this an issue at all because most people bought hoppers anyway. (Paraphrased heavily for clarity.)

I'd agree that it's a negative for the guest but shrewd for Universal to pull it off.

 

[SJN1279]

No. You make it sound as if they're banned from ever experiencing it. Ticket options will make it very clear that you need a park-to-park ticket to experience the Hogwarts Express. If they choose not to buy such a ticket, they make the decision themselves not to ride.



With. 75%, on average, have 2 park tickets (what Uni calls park hoppers)

Even if it is made clear, a good chunk of theme park patrons still will try to get on Hogwarts with 1 park pass.

 

[Cesar R M]

At least 25 percent of Universal patrons have a one park ticket.

dude, that is like going to disney world and buying a SINGLE DAY PARK TICKET and chunking 90+ USD in a single sitting. (aka dumb)

 

[flynnibus]

The point of the post that started that track was that it is a negative that this attraction requires a 'park hopper' ticket. The fact that most people will cave to this doesn't change that negative and it certainly doesn't support the poster's point that I was responding to which was that this an issue at all because most people bought hoppers anyway. (Paraphrased heavily for clarity.)

Ignore Hogwarts Express... with the new lineup of WWoHP, Transformers, Simpsons, Diagon Alley, Despicable Me, RipRockit, etc... there is PLENTY of fresh stuff out there motivating people to buy a 2 park ticket.

Is it a limitation? Yes, just like saying "I have to ride a ferry or a monorail to just get to the magic kingdom" is - but it's a limitation that honestly for the bulk of people they will have already overcome, or have good reason to.

For me, who is planning on spending 1 day at USO in November after my cruise.. this is an issue. I only have one day, and wasn't planning on buying a 2 park ticket due to only being there one day. But know what, I'll survive and I'll make a choice on what to do. I'm not going to try to on the whole project because USO applied some business principles in productizing their parks. I can look past my own personal impact and recognize the humoungous upsell this represents.

and know what.. if it backfires... they can just change it! SHOCKER! The entire project wouldn't fall apart.. so let's stop acting like this is the kingpin for the whole thing.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I have been reading other sites and there are starting to be more and more compliant posts about having to buy the 2 park ticket to take the mock up of the Warthog Express.

AKK

 

[DznyGrlSD]

Yes, Space Mountain is a kiddie coaster when compared to the behemoths at Six Flags parks, which is what I'm referring to. If I was just talking about Disney parks, I wouldn't call Space Mountain a kiddie coaster.

Never been on RnRC, but California Screamin' is nothing compared to other roller coasters I've been on. The drops aren't too steep and the inversion is meh.

Rides like California Screamin' don't satisfy my uncle and some of my friends. They would even call that a kiddie coaster. You said it yourself, if one expects to find rides that are on the level of Six Flags, they will be disappointed.

Reasons why I go to Cedar Point every few years. I need my fix of thrill-coasters.

I love my Disney, don't get me wrong, but every now and then I just want to scream and have an adrenaline rush that only Amusement Parks can provide.

 

[Bairstow]

Even if it is made clear, a good chunk of theme park patrons still will try to get on Hogwarts with 1 park pass.

Just like a good chunk of guests probably thought that Pirates of the Caribbean had been relocated to DHS.

 

[Cesar R M]

also just to add.. I'm surprised how fast this thread derailed, how everyone starting bashing each other and a lot of varied things at same time while @WDW1974 did his best to spill the beans on the possible future of WDW, the park division and Disney Cruise line.

 

[dadddio]

I'd agree that it's a negative for the guest but shrewd for Universal to pull it off.

I'm with you.

 

[marni1971]

Even if it is made clear, a good chunk of theme park patrons still will try to get on Hogwarts with 1 park pass.

Keep going....

Please do.

 

[dadddio]

dude, that is like going to disney world and buying a SINGLE DAY PARK TICKET and chunking 90+ USD in a single sitting. (aka dumb)

No. It's actually like going to WDW and not buying hoppers.

I'm not going to pretend that I have any knowledge of actual numbers, but I will go out on a limb and say that LOADS of guests don't buy hoppers because they have no intention to park hop. If these patrons suddenly learned that there was an attraction that they could not experience because they didnt have hoppers, they would see that as a negative.

For the hypothetical tourist who planned to go to Universal for two days and wasn't going to park hop, that amounts to a twenty dollar fee for each member of the family just to ride Hogwarts.

 

[pmaljr]

You do realize the majority of Orlando vacationers do not stay on property and do not have APs--meaning they don't have access to this system? Disney fanboard provincialism.

I agree the new system is better for APs like me than anyone else. I took advantage of it to get an early FP to 7 Dwarves Sunday, was in and off and back on my way in 2 hours. But the byproduct--insane lines for attractions that shouldn't have them--is obvious at this point. And that will end up affecting on-site guests more than APs, and off-site guests more than on-site guests.

Sure. The main difference is that staying there or being an AP gets a benefit of the reservation system. Offsite users can still get FP+ at arrival. However, even now, it is better for them as they can get 3 at once without having to do RunDisney.

 

[wdisney9000]

This system just ruins any attempt at people like my wife and myself who feel like going to a certain park one day just because we are on vacation...

Same here. My wife and I go on vacation to get a BREAK from all the scheduling and planning we do in our everyday lives. Theres nothing like waking up at Yacht/Beach Club and having coffee on our balcony overlooking Crescent Lake and deciding what park to visit that day. Thats all the planning we need.

I know there are many first time visitors that the system may help but I think part of what makes/made WDW so special was all the exploring you could do and finding new things around every corner. Theres a huge difference when you DISCOVER something magical that comes across the path you chose that day at WDW rather than planning to do it on the third day of your trip at 3 pm because thats the day you chose to use FP+ at MK and you can squeeze it in before you ride Space Mountian. Forced experiences are a far cry from organic ones. For decades people managed to navigate through WDW and actually returned for more and it didnt require MM+. People just think they need this because, well,..."Disney said so"

 

[Californian Elitist]

according to you.. the coasters should only be ranked according to their speed and "force" factor?

Yep, among other things.