Omnispace
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No - basically arguing for getting rid of FP in any form and instead add attractions to accommodate guests.
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No - basically arguing for getting rid of FP in any form and instead add attractions to accommodate guests.
Californian Elitist
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I explained this to someone else, but I'll explain it again. For some people, it does mean there isn't anything for them at Disney. Sometimes for those who like nothing but mega thrill rides, like my uncle and a few of my friends, there's nothing at Disney that they find fun or interesting. They have told me themselves. My uncle came to California from New Mexico for a visit, and I mentioned hitting up Disneyland. He looked at me like I was stupid and said, "I don't think so. Disneyland is boring and full of kiddie rides. I'm a grown man, let's go to Magic Mountain." There's nothing at Disney that he's interested in. Same goes for a few of my friends. Two have claimed to really hate Disneyland, and the other one may as well hate it because I've never heard a positive thing come out of her mouth about Disney parks. They are thrill-seekers, through and through. Neither my uncle, nor my friends, can find anything at Disneyland, nor California Adventure that they like.
I'm not saying every coaster fan is like this. I'm saying some are.
But what about being spontaneous has it ruined exactly?
The prior FP program only allowed advance FP selection for zero parks per day. Still, people park hopped.
Not really. @Daddio mentioned that you have to pay Uni an extra $20 to be able to experience Hogwarts. Disney is charging $45 to experience drinking/eating in WS at night. Both parks are charging a fee to experience something extra in said park. I was just pointing out that at least if you pay Uni the $20 extra you can do something new, not the exact the same thing you can already do in the daytime. Just because what you actually get for the extra money is completely different in each park, doesnt make the comparison shoddy.
CinematicFusion
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Hey man I dig your Avatar. That guy on the History channel always weirds me out. And then I think...how can I get that job.
I suspect that most of us would argue for keeping FP in addition to adding attractions to accommodate guests.
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Given that you can eat and drink in Epcot without paying an additional fee (beyond, you know, buying eats and drinks), I think that your analogy missed wildly to the left.
Amen.
DisneyOutsider
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You must absolutely DESPISE Universal, where the only ones permitted to jump the line are those who are able to pay nearly double for their ticket. If you're not taking advantage of the Fastpass system, then that's your decision to put yourself behind the 8 ball. It works like a charm for me, and it makes my park-touring much much more efficient at no added cost.
psherman42
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My family has always park hopped. We go to one park at open, stay until around lunch, go back to the resort to relax, swim, etc. , and then go to another park for the evening. Before fastpass+, we'd only get a few fastpasses on a typical day. If we were at Studios, we'd ride TSMM and then get a fastpass for later. We were never the type of guests who ran around collecting fastpasses all morning for later in the day. Because my parents never wanted to pull my sisters out of school, we'd always visit during peak seasons. We'd get to a park in the morning and do as much as we could before heading back to the resort but when we'd go to another in the evening it was always way too crowded to be able to do anything but just walk around. Now that both my sisters are school teachers and have to follow that schedule, they still have to come down during peak season. However, with the new system, they book fastpasses in the evenings so when they go later in the day they're actually able to do something. When my dad and sister were down here over Christmas week last year, they had fastpasses for some of the mountains, soarin', TSMM, etc. for various evenings throughout their trip. They'd get to the park at 4-5:00 when it was crazy crowded and still be able to see some attractions, something they NEVER would have been able to do with the legacy fastpasses. Now I understand that not everyone out there thinks like my family, but for us, this new system has worked out great and I don't see how it discourages park hopping, especially now that you can use fastpasses for one park in the morning, and then if you choose to go to another park in the evening, if all your fastpasses for the day are used, you can book another one. To me, it's beginning to feel more like the old system. Nobody is forcing you to book your fastpasses 60 days in advance. If you want to wait until day of to decide which park to go to and book fastpasses from there, there's nothing stopping you.
Unless you want to meet Anna and Elsa and not wait 5 hours. Then yeah...you might want to book 60 days in advance.
sshindel
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This would be the case if Disney charged $45 to eat/drink in the park, but did not allow anyone else to eat/drink in the park at any other time during the day. They are (over) charging for a special event, which some people might feel is worth their money, others wouldn't, but very few would walk by the people having a drink at 10pm and feel that they are getting to experience a special attraction. They're paying money to eat and drink in a restaurant that they themselves could have experienced at any time during normal business hours.
On the other hand, right or wrong, there is an honest to goodness attraction that people will have to pay extra to ride. It's not that everyone gets to ride it, but they pay $20 extra to ride it at night. They cant ever experience that ride without paying.
And I'm not trying to say that it's not a smart business move from Uni. It may have convinced me to buy the park hopper pass on my previous trip instead of leaving at 5pm when I ran out of things to do and headed over to spend money at DTD. Still, comparing a special dining event to an attraction is not IMO a valid comparison.
What do you mean? The "Wind Down" at EPCOT costs EXTRA MONEY to eat and drink the same things (after hours) that you can get during the day. Disney is desperately trying to squeeze every penny out of its customers while doing very little in return in an attempt to make the bottom line look better so they can then tell the BoD that MM+ is making money. At least when Uni decides to charge an extra fee for something, they give you something in addition to what you have already paid for, not the same thing at a different time of day. I think your whole brain is wildly to the left. I understand though, I have insulted your deity and all your emotions are on overload. Just Google a picture of Iger and say your mantra to it and balance will be restored.
I was simply pointing out the most common negative pointed out by most people in relation to park hopping and FP+. The recent changes allowing a rolling FP at any park has mitigated this a bit. But I always found the argument didn't hold as much weight as many gave it simply due to the fact that under the old system if you went to a second park in the afternoon chances are depending on the ride, FP's were already all gone or were for late at night only.
doctornick
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How has it in any way "ruined certain aspects of being spontaneous"? You don't have to use FP+. It sounds to me that based on your preference style of touring the parks that FP+ would not really change anything.
doctornick
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Good point. And with the new "more than 3 per day" rules for FP+, hopping with FP+ is basically the same for the second park as paper FP was.
WildcatDen
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Tell that to my wife. . . wait, what is the topic again????
Until they attempt to walk in and have a drink as well and are told they cant because they didnt pay the $45. How will they feel then? Offended, confused? Who knows, but I dont think people at Uni will get too upset or confused to learn they have to pay a small fee to experience something NEW, that is part of a NEW park addition. My only point in the beginning of this was that Uni is charging half of what Disney is and at least you get something new for it, not the same. Comparing an attraction to a dining experience is not the point, its how each company charges for additional experiences and what you get for it. And I dont think the "wind down" and the fee that comes with it would ever have been created unless Disney desperately needed extra money on the books to show as profits. Their ing on our heads but telling us its rain. (please make a funny joke with that, @Pumbas Nakasak)