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doctornick

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wdisney9000 said:
Same here. My wife and I go on vacation to get a BREAK from all the scheduling and planning we do in our everyday lives. Theres nothing like waking up at Yacht/Beach Club and having coffee on our balcony overlooking Crescent Lake and deciding what park to visit that day. Thats all the planning we need.

I know there are many first time visitors that the system may help but I think part of what makes/made WDW so special was all the exploring you could do and finding new things around every corner. Theres a huge difference when you DISCOVER something magical that comes across the path you chose that day at WDW rather than planning to do it on the third day of your trip at 3 pm because thats the day you chose to use FP+ at MK and you can squeeze it in before you ride Space Mountian. Forced experiences are a far cry from organic ones. For decades people managed to navigate through WDW and actually returned for more and it didnt require MM+. People just think they need this because, well,..."Disney said so"
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I'm confused. What is stopping you from doing the same thing now?

Disney isn't "forcing" anyone to use FP+ and they sure aren't forcing people to make any decisions at the 30 or 60 day window. If planning like that isn't for you or doesn't fit your circumstance, then don't do it. Relax and have a spontaneous vacation. And whenever you do decide to go to a particular park, you can reserve FP+ at that time (if you wish) and will likely have a decent selection available to you.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
dadddio said:
???

I can see where you are, but I don't know where you are coming from or where you are going to.
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If you equate the $20 per family member to ride Hogwarts at least your getting entertainment and an experience and there are other things you can experience with the $20. Small fee in comparison to what Disney charges per family member to stay in the park you already paid to be in and eat/drink the same items you could have bought/experienced during the day.

Its the difference between charging for something different and new to experience (Uni), and charging to do the exact same thing, just later in the day (Disney). Also Uni isnt charging the money to show it as a profit to their Board of Directors in an attempt to make a billion dollar mistake seem like its making money.
 
Omnispace

Omnispace

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I'm sorry -- I just can't get behind an entitlement system such as FastPass whether it's for resort guests, a paid service, AP perk, or any other similar gimmick. Plain and simple, it treats different guests differently and is a source of resentment. It's not much fun to be in the Standby Line and watch other people cut ahead of you because they were able to obtain a FastPass. Disneyland did away with several of their FastPass offerings and the park reportedly started working more efficiently, the way it was designed to do. Everyone gets treated equally, gets to experience the grand social experiment of waiting in line together, guys like @PeterAlt get time to chat with girls.... life is good, and no one has misplaced resentment for others.

I can see how Disney could be trying to even the playing field for everyone by offering FP+ up front, perhaps even trying to manipulate the crowds so that people are more evenly distributed amongst the attractions (much like the old ride coupons did) and thus shorten some of the standby lines. Whether these are truth or myth, I don't know, but when it really comes down to it Disney is attempting to create solutions to problems that are a result of intrinsically flawed logic. FP was essentially created as marketing move to offer a perceived perk to guests, to add something of apparent value without having to build new attractions, with the hope that guests not standing in lines are guests buying things in stores. Unfortunately, we have all become so used to it that we are all running around like Sneetches, playing a senseless game that has been forced upon us because we don't want to feel left out. The main casualty of it is the building of additional, high capacity attractions to accommodate the numbers of guests.
 
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Ignohippo

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Bairstow said:
Well a lot of Fantasyland was in soft opening by late 2012. So was the Jack Sparrow thing at MGM.
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That's still 4 years without an addition.

The Jack Sparrow thing was a way for Imagineering to test the new tech for Shanghai's version of Pirates. AND it took the place of Narnia. I wouldn't call that an addition.
 
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dadddio

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wdisney9000 said:
If you equate the $20 per family member to ride Hogwarts at least your getting entertainment and an experience and there are other things you can experience with the $20. Small fee in comparison to what Disney charges per family member to stay in the park you already paid to be in and eat/drink the same items you could have bought/experienced during the day.

Its the difference between charging for something different and new to experience (Uni), and charging to do the exact same thing, just later in the day (Disney). Also Uni isnt charging the money to show it as a profit to their Board of Directors in an attempt to make a billion dollar mistake seem like its making money.
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I think that you are trying to compare apples and marshmallows.
 
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arko

Well-Known Member
wdisney9000 said:
Same here. My wife and I go on vacation to get a BREAK from all the scheduling and planning we do in our everyday lives. Theres nothing like waking up at Yacht/Beach Club and having coffee on our balcony overlooking Crescent Lake and deciding what park to visit that day. Thats all the planning we need.

I know there are many first time visitors that the system may help but I think part of what makes/made WDW so special was all the exploring you could do and finding new things around every corner. Theres a huge difference when you DISCOVER something magical that comes across the path you chose that day at WDW rather than planning to do it on the third day of your trip at 3 pm because thats the day you chose to use FP+ at MK and you can squeeze it in before you ride Space Mountian. Forced experiences are a far cry from organic ones. For decades people managed to navigate through WDW and actually returned for more and it didnt require MM+. People just think they need this because, well,..."Disney said so"
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So I am guessing you never used the old FastPass system then?
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
doctornick said:
I'm confused. What is stopping you from doing the same thing now?

Disney isn't "forcing" anyone to use FP+ and they sure aren't forcing people to make any decisions at the 30 or 60 day window. If planning like that isn't for you or doesn't fit your circumstance, then don't do it. Relax and have a spontaneous vacation. And whenever you do decide to go to a particular park, you can reserve FP+ at that time (if you wish) and will likely have a decent selection available to you.
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Again....please show me where I said we no longer do that. I was agreeing with @bhg469 in the sense of it has ruined certain aspects of being spontaneous. Only real advantage of FP+ is not having to be at rope drop to get FP for certain attractions. We never did rope drop anyway and still got all the FP needed though. WDW was never about how many attractions we rode in a day or at what time.
 
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dadddio

Well-Known Member
Omnispace said:
I'm sorry -- I just can't get behind an entitlement system such as FastPass whether it's for resort guests, a paid service, AP perk, or any other similar gimmick. Plain and simple, it treats different guests differently and is a source of resentment. It's not much fun to be in the Standby Line and watch other people cut ahead of you because they were able to obtain a FastPass. Disneyland did away with several of their FastPass offerings and the park reportedly started working more efficiently, the way it was designed to do. Everyone gets treated equally, gets to experience the grand social experiment of waiting in line together, guys like @PeterAlt get time to chat with girls.... life is good, and no one has misplaced resentment for others.

I can see how Disney could be trying to even the playing field for everyone by offering FP+ up front, perhaps even trying to manipulate the crowds so that people are more evenly distributed amongst the attractions (much like the old ride coupons did) and thus shorten some of the standby lines. Whether these are truth or myth, I don't know, but when it really comes down to it Disney is attempting to create solutions to problems that are a result of intrinsically flawed logic. FP was essentially created as marketing move to offer a perceived perk to guests, to add something of apparent value without having to build new attractions, with the hope that guests not standing in lines are guests buying things in stores. Unfortunately, we have all become so used to it that we are all running around like Sneetches, playing a senseless game that has been forced upon us because we don't want to feel left out. The main casualty of it is the building of additional, high capacity attractions to accommodate the numbers of guests.
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Honestly, it feels like your post is arguing against the rumors of FP+ from last year rather than how FP+ actually works.
 
sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
dadddio said:
How did WDW guests lose the incentive to park hop?
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<shrug>
I've not bought park hopper tickets for years. I've always found it easier to focus on one park per day, and have never had an issue filling my time in that day.

Well, except on this last trip, I upgraded my last day tickets to park hop because I knew I couldn't spend more than a few hours in Epcot.
 
tamotu99

tamotu99

Active Member
The problem is compared to Uni or Disney California/Paris/Tokyo Park hopping is not as easy, and never will be for one simple thing (and Orlando's biggest plus) the space, walking two minuted from gate to gate without queuing and waiting for transportation, the weird monorail crush that could be handled so much better, or the bus shuffle wondering if you will just get on this bus or be made to wait for anther. then the additional bag check, plus as previous poster says, you dont really need to park hop, as long as you are there for 4 days, then each park can fill a day

No with our great UK tickets :D that include park hopping, water parks, Disney Quest and just about everythign else, we do park hop, sometimes evening in another park for the restaurants, or the fireworks, but i have to say its not something i would pay extra for every time
 

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