Bairstow
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So at this point, is WCW or TNA or anyone filming wrestling at Universal?
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So at this point, is WCW or TNA or anyone filming wrestling at Universal?
PhotoDave219
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TNA still does. It never caught on as much as I would have thought it would.
Bairstow
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It would have been really fascinating if they ended up filming one wrestling promotion at Universal and another one at Downtown Disney.
JediMasterMatt
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Using terms like "under utilized"... who is defining that? Under your description (seems similar enough to TDO) an attraction is under utilized if its visitation is less than a more "popular" attraction. I would like to think that after 40 plus years, we the guests to the theme park vote with our feet and our minds by queuing up for an attraction that we decide is worth waiting for. We decide if an attraction is popular and we decide if its worth waiting for. Under the new system, that is no longer the case. All attractions are expected to share the load of the more popular ones.
"Under utilized" attractions like Stitch should be expected to take some of the burden away from Space Mountain. Should the Haunted Mansion get more guests waiting for it because people were steered to it instead of Splash? Someone wanting to queue up for Soarin' should be steered towards Imagination since it isn't carrying it's weight?
If an attraction isn't getting huge queues, it is due to one of two factors: the attraction has high capacity (like an omnimover) or the guests have already decided that the attraction isn't worth riding or more importantly - worth waiting for to begin with. Is Stitch with a FP+ reservation in 10 minutes suddenly a better value than what use to be a 10 minute wait for Haunted Mansion? Of course not. The issue with FP+ is that now the wait that use to be 10 minutes for an omnimover is artificially inflated.
Of course you can't keep building attractions (rides/shows/stuff) indefinately. You need to prune the branches of a tree to help it grow. Imagination, Stitch, Energy, and the list goes on and on. There's plenty of "plussing" that can be had; but, at the same time - you can't just reskin an attraction and call it a win. Test Track is a great example. Good refurb; but, same net capacity to the resort.
The simple fact is that attendance is on the rise in Orlando; but, growth has not kept up. If you want to get people into Stitch's space, you need to give them a reason to go there. If you want to fill up the Energy pavilion, update it. If you want people to stay longer in Studios or AK, give them more things to do.
Balacing demand, under utilized, and crowd shaping... all of these issues would go away with a little more TLC and less theory crafting virtual theme park simulation.
I did find this picture of one of TDO's biggest fans:
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baymenxpac
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yes, i believe at last check, TNA is back there (at stage 19). WCW no longer exists.
baymenxpac
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WDF
Well-Known Member
There is a Little Mermaid ride. And the Barnstormer is a "Goofy" ride, I guess.
WDWDad13
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Who has said Uni is the best theme park in the world? And who has said they are going to put Disney out if business?
The hype for Uni is sometimes overblown, yes. When we first visited Harry potter in 2010, I was admittedly underwhelmed, but I also had my expectations through the roof.
The hype for Diagon Alley seems to be along the same lines, if not more, than in 2010. We are going to see it in August I won't set my expectations till I see it.
That being said, the fact there is hype for something means that Uni is building a reputation. There isn't much to get hyped about at Disney...yet.
Nobody wants you kicked off for your opinions. I enjoy a good debate. But the understanding both sides aspect rarely shines through in your posts.
It seems as if you attack Disney criticism, rather than provide facts to dispute the criticism. That's what a debate is. If you feel strongly about something (which you do) then support it with facts. Please don't resort to petty banter back and forth because it gives off a "look at me" attitude, which might not be intended.
You don't have to leave the forum. You're not a troll. Just a passionate fan. But I had to learn when I joined this site that there are an eclectic variety of passionate fans on this site. Just be respectful of their opinions, and disregard any you find obsurd by simply clicking ignore.
I understand what you are saying...however a lot of what I dispute is FAR from facts coming from the other end of the spectrum as well.
Again, I see lots of things Disney needs to do and do better and I recognize some of the cool things Uni is doing...but when the same people over and over complain about pretty much EVERYTHING Disney does (even if it's a good thing... or even better when they complain nothing is being done and then complain again when it is) is just ridiculous
the more competition between both parks the better off WE, THE FANS will be....but the fact remains that Uni is land locked like Disneyland is and while we all wish the sky is the limit, it isn't. Disney still has a huge amount of land remaining... whether or not they do anything with it remains to be seen, but the people are still coming through the gates in record numbers so they must have something people like (and it's not dole whips)
Debatably in some ways both Uni and WDW cater more to different genders and age groups... while I know they don't want to admit that and there are still things for everyone of all ages at both theme parks, the types of attractions and special events tell that tell. Again, we all win.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The definition is simple... empty seats beyond what is operationally practical to fill.
If I paid for a 500 seat theater... I want as close to 500 seats 'working' for me as possible. If it struggles to fill 100.. it's under utilized.
Except many visitors do not. Advertising and encouraging helps distribute load.
Look, maybe you are the type that thinks riding space mountain 6 times a day is what the theme park experience should be like no matter who says what. But when you are dealing with crowds and distribution.. you can't look at the world from a selfish-only view. And if we manage to get a few more people into Philharmagic who may not have otherwise tried it... win win for everyone.
I'm sorry you are having a hard time accepting the idea of demand shaping and steering customers. It is done all the time in many different ways and most people just don't clue into the manipulation. here it's much more obvious. If you don't like it, don't do it!! Simple enough.. but many people will, which will improve your experience because the loads will be better distributed.
Yet again..you talk in absolutes without moving beyond how a 'fan' sees the world. Ever think people don't get in line because they don't know what an attraction is? Or that they don't know its THERE? Or they aren't sure what it encompasses? Is it scary? What does it do? Is it worth my time?
GUESTS ARE NOT INFORMED - stop thinking like the park is full of experts. It's not. It's why there are signs everywhere, and cast everywhere trying to help people. But this ignorance also leads to things being overlooked, skipped, etc. The advertising and directing people help get people over these kinds of humps.
People know what Coca-Cola is... yet they still run advertising for a reason.
lazyboy97o
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Just had a chance to read this and it is a great read. I'd like to include this ever so slightly modified paragraph just to help encourage others to give it a read.
"The big truth here is that nobody cares. Nobody cares what age you were when you first [visited Walt Disney World], they want to talk to you about why it’s good or bad. And when your appreciation for a work of art is tied almost exclusively into your personal experience, any attack on that art becomes an attack on you, which is also a conversation killer. If I say here that [Walt Disney World] is a horrible piece of [place], I guarantee there will be people who get their feathers ruffled and feel like this is a personal attack because their nostalgia has internalized the [place] to an unhealthy extent."
DinoInstitute
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Dont want to start anything, but i couldn't agree more with this.
Personally, Im sick of hearing the phrases "this is so immersive experience that truely transports you someplace else" or "once again another game-changing attraction"
lazyboy97o
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And a few fans are doing what, paying off the media and the rest of the industry in order to get them to repeat this nonsense?
DinoInstitute
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No. What I'm just saying is that, I'm sure it all is fun and great, but it all seems too exaggerated.
spacemt354
Chili's
Isn't "GUESTS ARE NOT INFORMED" speaking in absolutes as well?
The park isn't full of experts, but I don't think it's completely full of people who aren't informed either. Several folks who do their research and have been several times don't need these signs and directional assistance in order to make a decision. They also know that if they see a line for Mansion that's 50 mins, they can come back at a more opportune time where there will be a shorter wait.
You are correct to an extent, there are some guests that only hit certain attractions which leads to other attractions being overlooked. Or (on the more extreme level) they don't know what attractions are and decide to skip them. I think Disney with MM+ has created an environment where research before the trip is a necessity. Some still won't do it, but over time I think we will see less people coming unprepared to their vacation.
lazyboy97o
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Then the exaggerating is incredibly wide spread and not just some people.
Phil12
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More than anything else I think the strong licensing of Star Wars products tends to underscore that additional Star Wars attractions in the parks are not needed.
http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/sta...ey-1201221818/
spacemt354
Chili's
But why does it matter to you if someone else complains?
Who cares what they think? If you enjoy the parks the way that they are now, despite some of the flaws, then kudos! Those same people who "complain" all the time are more often than not still going to visit Disney. Most of those people also come from an era where Disney dominated. The Disney Decade. It would make what Uni is doing now look "cheap." I for one, cannot understand why dirt is not being moved for Star Wars, and why a family coaster took 2.5 years to build, or why Avatar is so far off in the future, yet prices keep going up. Well, actually I do...
Seriously, you should worry less about what other "haters" think and more about just enjoying the place you like.
DinoInstitute
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Oh, I'd love to hear it, if it wasn't so overused and truly made you feel that way to your core. It seems to lose meaning to me.