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Lord_Vader

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The beauty of WWoHP is that the merch is more or less exclusive. Excepting the airport store, you can't buy a chocolate frog or a Hufflepuff scarf and gloves anywhere else. You're not going to find a knock-off version at Target or Wally World. So in the grand scheme of things, not a lot of Potter merch is sold (there is some licensed stuff but nowhere near the level of a Disney Princesses or Peanuts), but a large amount of what is sold goes for top dollar from a few acres in the middle of IoA.

That is very true but WB gets a take on all the HP merchandise too.
 

71jason

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WWE would obviously be a great theme park land since it sells so well;)

Was on the table for Six Flags at one point--would've included a Rock v. Mankind dueling coaster. The problem is with injuries and "wellness policy" violations and contracts rarely going beyond a couple years, the characters aren't static enough to design long-term attractions around them.
 

Bolna

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The way people eat up self reference is quite bizarre, especially as it is what now counts for detail. Why does Paris worship rats? Why would early 20th century New York have an amusement park filled with mid-century toys? Why is Walt Disney an intellectual property thief?

While I am no fan of Avatar as a choice for AK (I would have preferred something totally newly created), at least it will give us something out of the current Disney box.

A lot of that self-reference that you see currently makes me sad as it feels that the Imagineers have lost some of their ability to imagine, to be creative and come up with new things (or they just can't sell it to current management). As a fan, who is not a creative person, but values the products of others' creativity, I want to be wowed, I want to see the things thought up, that I cannot come up with.

That's why I also hate the ideas of rides being cloned. Ratatouille might be a good ride for WDS Paris, but why want it for Epcot. I would love a new ride in the World Showcase, but one that was created for Epcot, not just plopped in because the film it is about happens to take place in France.
 

baymenxpac

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And they think we just want old attractions sitting around forever.. no! we want to be impressed again.

right exactly. horizons was one of my favorite attractions ever (yes, even as a 7 year old!). the fact that it was taken away stings, but the fact that it was replaced by a human nausea machine is more troubling than the fact that it was replaced.
 

DinoInstitute

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Was on the table for Six Flags at one point--would've included a Rock v. Mankind dueling coaster. The problem is with injuries and "wellness policy" violations and contracts rarely going beyond a couple years, the characters aren't static enough to design long-term attractions around them.
seriously?

huh
 

CDavid

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From the Forbes article...

The Licensing Letter’s Top-20 List:
1. Disney Princess (Disney) $1.60 billion
2. Star Wars (Lucasfilm) $1.50 billion
3. Pooh (Disney) $1.09 billion
4. Cars (Disney) $1.05 billion
5. Hello Kitty (Sanrio) $800 million
6. Mickey & Friends (Disney) $750 million
7. WWE (WWE) $700 million
8. Toy Story (Disney) $685 million
9. Peanuts (Iconix, Peanuts Worldwide) $600 million
10. Sesame Street (Sesame Workshop) $515 million
11. Disney Fairies (Disney) $435 million
12. Thomas the Tank Engine (Hit Entertainment) $390 million
13. Garfield (Paws Inc.) $370 million
14. Dora the Explorer (Nickelodeon) $330 million
15. SpongeBob (Nickelodeon) $330 million
16. Spiderman (Marvel/Disney) $325 million
17. Ben 10 (Cartoon Network) $295 million
18. Angry Birds (Rovio) $250 million
19. Batman (DC/Warner) $245 million
20. Barbie (Mattel) $242 million

What occurs to me based on this list is that other than shows and meet & greets there are no actual rides for Disney Princesses, Disney Fairies, or even Mickey & Friends. At Walt Disney World, Cars is also lacking, and Star Wars has only a simulator attraction. Four of the top eleven franchises without a significant attraction.
 

baymenxpac

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Aren't there murmurings of their putting some kind of wrestler hall of fame on I-drive?

triple H (paul levesque) is motivated to build a physical hall of fame, but vince mcmahon is less sold on the idea. there was a rumor at one point that NBCUni may include a place for a physical WWE HOF at universal orlando as a deal sweetener as part of the new TV rights deal WWE just signed to keep their programming on USA and SciFy (a lot of terms haven't been disclosed about the deal, except that it's for less than WWE was seeking). the WWE performance center is in orlando, and they tape NXT (their developmental organization) at full sail university, so they have a pretty decent sized footprint in central florida.

just wanted to impart that wisdom. let's not make this a bash wrestling thread, particularly because A) it would be super off topic, B) i, like many others, have a great deal of love and respect for the business, and many friends who work inside it, and C) because why that wouldn't be as viable entertainment as opposed to watching frozen for the 955th time in a week, i'll never know.
 

Bairstow

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triple H (paul levesque) is motivated to build a physical hall of fame, but vince mcmahon is less sold on the idea. there was a rumor at one point that NBCUni may include a place for a physical WWE HOF at universal orlando as a deal sweetener as part of the new TV rights deal WWE just signed to keep their programming on USA and SciFy (a lot of terms haven't been disclosed about the deal, except that it's for less than WWE was seeking). the WWE performance center is in orlando, and they tape NXT (their developmental organization) at full sail university, so they have a pretty decent sized footprint in central florida.

just wanted to impart that wisdom. let's not make this a bash wrestling thread, particularly because A) it would be super off topic, B) i, like many others, have a great deal of love and respect for the business, and many friends who work inside it, and C) because why that wouldn't be as viable entertainment as opposed to watching frozen for the 955th time in a week, i'll never know.

So what was the deal with WCW taping at Universal up until a few years ago? I never really looked into it, but didn't they have a soundstage next to the Blue Man Group theater?
Was it too expensive or were people just not going?
 

spacemt354

Chili's
so why do you and others want me to disappear? Because I have a different opinion on things and don't salivate at the thought of Uni?

Some of you don't realize I am critical of Disney as well...(lord knows they have things they need to do and improve on) and there are parts of Uni I do like...(and they have their own problems as well) I just don't buy into all the hype that Uni is the best theme park in the world and is gonna put WDW out of business
Who has said Uni is the best theme park in the world? And who has said they are going to put Disney out if business?

The hype for Uni is sometimes overblown, yes. When we first visited Harry potter in 2010, I was admittedly underwhelmed, but I also had my expectations through the roof.

The hype for Diagon Alley seems to be along the same lines, if not more, than in 2010. We are going to see it in August I won't set my expectations till I see it.

That being said, the fact there is hype for something means that Uni is building a reputation. There isn't much to get hyped about at Disney...yet.

Nobody wants you kicked off for your opinions. I enjoy a good debate. But the understanding both sides aspect rarely shines through in your posts.

It seems as if you attack Disney criticism, rather than provide facts to dispute the criticism. That's what a debate is. If you feel strongly about something (which you do) then support it with facts. Please don't resort to petty banter back and forth because it gives off a "look at me" attitude, which might not be intended.

You don't have to leave the forum. You're not a troll. Just a passionate fan. But I had to learn when I joined this site that there are an eclectic variety of passionate fans on this site. Just be respectful of their opinions, and disregard any you find obsurd by simply clicking ignore.:)
 

twebber55

Well-Known Member
From the Forbes article...

The Licensing Letter’s Top-20 List:
1. Disney Princess (Disney) $1.60 billion
2. Star Wars (Lucasfilm) $1.50 billion
3. Pooh (Disney) $1.09 billion
4. Cars (Disney) $1.05 billion
5. Hello Kitty (Sanrio) $800 million
6. Mickey & Friends (Disney) $750 million
7. WWE (WWE) $700 million
8. Toy Story (Disney) $685 million
9. Peanuts (Iconix, Peanuts Worldwide) $600 million
10. Sesame Street (Sesame Workshop) $515 million
11. Disney Fairies (Disney) $435 million
12. Thomas the Tank Engine (Hit Entertainment) $390 million
13. Garfield (Paws Inc.) $370 million
14. Dora the Explorer (Nickelodeon) $330 million
15. SpongeBob (Nickelodeon) $330 million
16. Spiderman (Marvel/Disney) $325 million
17. Ben 10 (Cartoon Network) $295 million
18. Angry Birds (Rovio) $250 million
19. Batman (DC/Warner) $245 million
20. Barbie (Mattel) $242 million

As both sides can see neither Harry Potter or Avatar is in the top 20. Now, we all know that licensing value in the retail market has little to do with theme parks. Both sides have a good amount of quality IP and are capable of providing high quality attractions and entertainment.

When looking specifically at IP in the retail space you would most likely prefer Disney as they sell princesses (#1), Star Wars (#2), Pooh (#3), Cars (#4), Mickey (#6), Toy Story (#8), or Fairies (#11) while at Universal their #1 IP for their parks in this list is Spongebob (#15) and Spiderman (#16) which combined don't even add up to Toy Story's take.
excellent post..i didn't see it earlier...also want to mention Toy Story Land at HKDL is not highly regarded so even though its a top 10 merch seller the land is just ok....HP is not in the top 20 and it has maybe th ebest two lands in the world...something to learn here
 

jt04

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triple H (paul levesque) is motivated to build a physical hall of fame, but vince mcmahon is less sold on the idea. there was a rumor at one point that NBCUni may include a place for a physical WWE HOF at universal orlando as a deal sweetener as part of the new TV rights deal WWE just signed to keep their programming on USA and SciFy (a lot of terms haven't been disclosed about the deal, except that it's for less than WWE was seeking). the WWE performance center is in orlando, and they tape NXT (their developmental organization) at full sail university, so they have a pretty decent sized footprint in central florida.

just wanted to impart that wisdom. let's not make this a bash wrestling thread, particularly because A) it would be super off topic, B) i, like many others, have a great deal of love and respect for the business, and many friends who work inside it, and C) because why that wouldn't be as viable entertainment as opposed to watching frozen for the 955th time in a week, i'll never know.

I have been thinking that if Hard Rock Cafe were to move into a new and improved facility on site that the old venue would be a perfect location for the HOF. And the idea fits well with Universal. Of course there is a promotion there already so all that would have to be worked out. But I think it could work well there. It is an interesting idea.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Who has said Uni is the best theme park in the world? And who has said they are going to put Disney out if business?

The hype for Uni is sometimes overblown, yes. When we first visited Harry potter in 2010, I was admittedly underwhelmed, but I also had my expectations through the roof.

The hype for Diagon Alley seems to be along the same lines, if not more, than in 2010. We are going to see it in August I won't set my expectations till I see it.

That being said, the fact there is hype for something means that Uni is building a reputation. There isn't much to get hyped about at Disney...yet.

Nobody wants you kicked off for your opinions. I enjoy a good debate. But the understanding both sides aspect rarely shines through in your posts.

It seems as if you attack Disney criticism, rather than provide facts to dispute the criticism. That's what a debate is. If you feel strongly about something (which you do) then support it with facts. Please don't resort to petty banter back and forth because it gives off a "look at me" attitude, which might not be intended.

You don't have to leave the forum. You're not a troll. Just a passionate fan. But I had to learn when I joined this site that there are an eclectic variety of passionate fans on this site. Just be respectful of their opinions, and disregard any you find obsurd by simply clicking ignore.:)


You're much more tolerant than I am. My patience are so limited these days…
 

baymenxpac

Well-Known Member
So what was the deal with WCW taping at Universal up until a few years ago? I never really looked into it, but didn't they have a soundstage next to the Blue Man Group theater?
Was it too expensive or were people just not going?

WCW taped at MGM in the early-to-mid '90s (most famous scene from there was probably kevin nash throwing rey mysterio head first into a trailer backstage in the nWo early days, a work that seemed so real that locals called the cops). in '96, they moved their syndicated shows to uni on soundstage 21 for two years (wrestling was in its biggest boom then, that venue wasn't great for WCW once one syndicated show was canned and the other became a live, big arena show on thursday nights to go up against smackdown). WCW was bought out by WWE in 2001, so they haven't existed for a while, but i think you're thinking now of TNA.

TNA, which is...let's call it a fledgling organization, taped there from '04-'13, but there were a few problems. the capacity on the soundstage in 1,400, and TNA...isn't very popular. so they weren't always filling up that arena. they took the show on the road to try to gain more traction for the organization and give it wider exposure, but again, TNA is privately funded and often has a hard time making payroll. a whole other animal than publicly-traded WWE. so they brought it back to uni and moved it to soundstage19, which is smaller, which i believe ultimately gave them a bit more financial flexibility.
 

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