The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

bhg469

bhg469

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baymenxpac said:
the scary thing is this: those of us who grew up on WDW of old knew it was a place with a soul. not just for kids who wanted to see their favorite characters, but a place that was multi-faceted with many aspects to attract to all age demographics. remember the walt disney world resort? a place you could do it all: get an educational experience (epcot center), see an active film studio (MGM), party (pleasure island), golf, pool hop, etc.

the fear over the last few years i've had personally is that it's turning into a place for arrested development. no offense to any other fanbois, but i don't really fit that demo. i like my adult life, even if i had countless of happy memories at WDW in my childhood. and this latest star wars nugget confirms it. unless you're a mommy with a blog that's willing to gush about anna and elsa and drop thousands on plush while doing it, they don't want you. that's pretty damning to that brand as far as i'm concerned.
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And they think we just want old attractions sitting around forever.. no! we want to be impressed again.
 
JediMasterMatt

JediMasterMatt

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flynnibus said:
Or...(skipped in your dissertation at the whiteboard) getting people to use capacity you already have but is under utilized.

Your examples of reducing showtimes does not help park capacity much because it's not keeping people in the attractions - it works to improve ride counts and # of rides a guest may achieve in a day. The lower wait times help make the attraction attractive... but if the less time a person is in an attraction, the more burden they are on the common parts of the park.

The idea MM means 'not having to build attractions' is a distortion and frankly.. childish response to the real idea of breaking the arms race and trying to improve use of what you have. MM+ is about differentiation and optimization.

If you like that differentiation will be played out over the next years...
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It's funny you mention the "common parts of the park" and being a burden. If by common parts, you mean everything not in line or on a ride or attraction, then this is exactly the challenge Disneyland has and is the opposite of Orlando.

Disneyland has many attractions to put the crowds into, the issue is the common parts that connect the attraction (the walkways) can't handle the load.

The MK is the exact opposite problem, from a guest satisifaction standpoint.

They can cram in more people, it's just that once those people are in the gate - there isn't enough for them to do. Either get in a huge standby line or wander the streets waiting for your next FP. The only way to fix the MK is by adding in more capacity. Some needs to be in form of what was done in New Fantasyland. The rest needs to be done by pulling guests away from MK and hold them in the other parks for the entire day. The sad thing is Disney knows this to be what has to happen as this is exactly what DCA has been able to help with in Anaheim.

If you don't like the truth that MM+ was sold under the guise of "optimization" in lieu of captial expenditures (don't forget that attractions are expensive to build and then need to be staffed and maintained), then you should ask of yourself - are you satisfied with the growth of things to do at the resort for the last 10+ years?
 
alissafalco

alissafalco

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WDW1974 said:
I don't see him having put out anything. He teased, which he does frequently. I believe you should hold back if you can't release anything.

I think everyone is on the same page that some SW work will begin in 2015 (that puts opening in the 2018-19 range) and there are many folks trying to push that agenda out this summer considering what UNI is debuting ... I am still waiting for one solid piece of evidence. But talk to someone with Disney and you'll get an earful. I just don't think HTF is doing fans a solid on this one. He does have an account here and uses to post semi-regularly ... maybe someone will summon him here.
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pwnbeaver said:
Yeah, I agree. I usually love HTF and all of the little bits and pieces he trickles out through tweets and such, but this whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way. He's being vague in the worst way, saying that something is coming but he won't tell what. Saying that is like a presidential candidate saying they will increase jobs; it's something everybody wants, but what are the details, how are you really going to accomplish it?

It seems to me that HTF is playing into Disney's hands by hyping them up right when Uni is ready to knock the doors down for a few months, exactly like you warned. It's something I would never expect from HTF but I'm suspicious, especially since he's typically the Universal source and I can't remember him ever really getting a Disney scoop. HTF doesn't strike me as someone who would play ball so easily, but...
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@HTF Do you want to come here and explain yourself? We would all like to know.
 
culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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marni1971 said:
The theming is great, but the ride layout is awesome. IMHO.

This was a year or two ago though. The whole project is in the back seat now for others to be completed first. Things will probably change again.

Ironically they're having to slow expansion due to sheer lack of resources. It really is a case of what to do next. The last juggle was Kong, JP or Lorax.
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Isn't that awesome that have had to slow the expansion of the parks and resort because they don't have enough resources not cause they are trying to spread capex over many years.
 
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Mat Cauthon

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AtHomeBoy_2000 said:
Please tell your friends that my 5 year old daughter is a huge Star Wars fan, has Star Wars bed sheets, 2 light sabers, and went as Darth Vader for Halloween. My other daughter also likes Star Wars, just not as much (she's more of a Marvel girl)
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Parenting done right!!! My girls follow the philosophy of "this princess saves herself" :).
 
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twebber55

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JediMasterMatt said:
It's funny you mention the "common parts of the park" and being a burden. If by common parts, you mean everything not in line or on a ride or attraction, then this is exactly the challenge Disneyland has and is the opposite of Orlando.

Disneyland has many attractions to put the crowds into, the issue is the common parts that connect the attraction (the walkways) can't handle the load.

The MK is the exact opposite problem, from a guest satisifaction standpoint.

They can cram in more people, it's just that once those people are in the gate - there isn't enough for them to do. Either get in a huge standby line or wander the streets waiting for your next FP. The only way to fix the MK is by adding in more capacity. Some needs to be in form of what was done in New Fantasyland. The rest needs to be done by pulling guests away from MK and hold them in the other parks for the entire day. The sad thing is Disney knows this to be what has to happen as this is exactly what DCA has been able to help with in Anaheim.

If you don't like the truth that MM+ was sold under the guise of "optimization" in lieu of captial expenditures (don't forget that attractions are expensive to build and then need to be staffed and maintained), then you should ask of yourself - are you satisfied with the growth of things to do at the resort for the last 10+ years?
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I would think the best thing for MK would be to build up the other parks to help relieve some of their issues especially at night
 
bhg469

bhg469

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IDInstitute said:
"Impressed with the same old **** again, though!!!"
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That was a really silly thing to say..


No... impressed with something truly innovative like a ride vehicle or system. Maybe some inteactive theming or even adding some more culture to world showcase..

To think we want nothing new is preposterous, we want something that we will want to read ride over and over.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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AtHomeBoy_2000 said:
Please tell your friends that my 5 year old daughter is a huge Star Wars fan, has Star Wars bed sheets, 2 light sabers, and went as Darth Vader for Halloween. My other daughter also likes Star Wars, just not as much (she's more of a Marvel girl)
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speaking of girl fans of heroes.

reminds me of the huge blunder and how dense the Cartoon Network executives are.

Every time they make a gem of animation (like Young Justice). They kill it because "it attracted the wrong demographic".. aka We wanted only little kids who buy manly toys, so if girls liked our shows, we kill them!)

Same with Green Lantern despite solid reviews.

bhg469 said:
You don't think there is at least one disney exec that is so out of touch, those comments couldn't be true? I have no doubts that there are more than one.
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if @WDW1974 is right on how Iger and Co changed purged almost all the proactive executives with "Yes-men", it doesn't matter if they are out of touch or not. they will just say YES to whatever the higher ups say.

Its a nasty domino effect that trips the entire row in a single stroke.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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IDInstitute said:
And when are they gonna stop marketing Fantatsyland as "New Fantasyland"??
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Probably when there is a NEW NEW fantasyland, and will be "DELUXE FANTASYLAND".
which will then be replaced by "FANTASYLAND DELUXE MAMBA JAMBA EDITION TURBO" :hilarious:

Bolna said:
Well, the ability to understand what is written always helps for things to make sense.

Let's look at what @WDW1974 really said:



The word "most" does not mean exclusively - which you try to make it out by using the word "just":



And by changing that one word, it is quite easy to explain Carsland and Avatar: As long as they feel that they have enough for the main demographic they are after, they are then trying to round out the offerings for the second rate demographics (families with little boys). Especially taking into account the first part of the sentance, that they fear it ONLY attracts fanbois (and I think with that they think of single males in their 20s), this is a demographic that certainly is not ranking as second tier, but as a tier that is not even on their mind at all! In the thinking that @WDW1974 mentions Avatar might even be the reason for being hesitant towards Star Wars as it would be considered too much the same. Can't have two things that are considered to be more "male" and grown-up in their appeal happening at the same time...
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single males in their 30-60 range you mean. (the neckbeard group)
 

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