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Mike S

Mike S

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spacemt354 said:
Lol I never would have described the ride that way...but I guess you're right. The scenes are disorganized and fly by with little connection. One minute trolls, the next giant polar bears, then more trolls, then an oil rig?

I agree with a lot of your points too. A "proper" Frozen/Star Wars tag team in Epcot and DHS would revitalize two parks that desperately need it.

Though for me, I would just add Frozen and Star Wars to DHS while refurbing the Future World pavilions in Epcot. I wouldn't want to add a ton of Frozen to Norway and throw off the balance of the World Showcase pavilions, because I think roughly the same amount of square footage is designated to each country for equality purposes. I'm not sure how much space is available and furthermore, I think Frozen just fits better in DHS.

In regards to the Lion King in Disney parks, Disney implemented it right away. They had The Legend of the Lion King show in Magic Kingdom (from 1994-2002) and still have Festival of the Lion King in Animal Kingdom, in addition to various meet and greet locations.

Imagine a Frozen ride (or show) in Animation Courtyard with meet and greets, plus perhaps a Frozen parade for DHS as well (like Disney used to do for their new films). Want to increase popularity of a park and give your best IP in years proper expanded treatment in a thematically correct location?

No...Let's just shoehorn it into a short, sub-par boat ride in Norway that will produce egregiously long lines due to its capacity concerns.
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I say have a show in DHS, a princess meal with Anna and Elsa in Norway and a proper E ticket ride and M&G in MK. Frozen is represented in all three parks and doesn't ruin either of them.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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marni1971 said:
It was a half assed project that had to steal money destined for Imagination to do what they actually did.

Lesser of the two evils, but done on the cheap nonetheless. And could have been so much better.
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Keep in mind that it's been 10 years since my sister and I were at EC. We had already seen Soaring at DCA, so that wasn't new to us, but the poor condition of the film at the EC version was a little shocking. Of everything we saw at EC that was new to us, LS with Nemo and Friends was most impressive (she actually liked the older version of TT better). So, basically, that's the only thing EC has going for it now.

She thought that the old Imagination ride gave EC heart and soul. With that eliminated and the other changes, (in her own words) "EPCOT has lost its soul."

She liked the SSE redo, but complained that "the entire last half of the ride is missing!"

We both agree that it will take a massive effort and lots of dollars to make EC good again.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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PeterAlt said:
You can say that maybe they don't know what they're missing. They liked the convenience of it. I know, I'm as shocked as you, but that's the cold truth!
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No. "They" don't…

Every conference attendee and executive person that I have that does not like it. Every person who is not 100% technology savvy, does not like it. Every person that does not have a smart phone does not like it. Every person I've met over the age of 60 does not like it.

You know who does? The overplanning, primarily English-speaking, average family of four with a ridiculous disposable income.

That does not describe the current demographics of the Walt Disney World resort.
 
ChrisFL

ChrisFL

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spacemt354 said:
Lol I never would have described the ride that way...but I guess you're right. The scenes are disorganized and fly by with little connection. One minute trolls, the next giant polar bears, then more trolls, then an oil rig?
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Maelstrom has always made sense to me, at least somewhat.

Let me explain how I understand what happens during the ride.

You first visit the viking village, then you encounter a three headed troll, plus a very large troll on the left. The three headed troll puts a curse on you, sending you backwards.

As you travel backwards, you're actually moving through Norway, but also traveling through time. When the boat stops and moves forward again, you see the same large troll you saw in the first troll scene, but he is missing an eye and looks very old...then you go down the drop into the modern oil rig scene.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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PhotoDave219 said:
No. "They" don't…

Every conference attendee and executive person that I have that does not like it. Every person who is not 100% technology savvy, does not like it. Every person that does not have a smart phone does not like it. Every person I've met over the age of 60 does not like it.

You know who does? The overplanning, primarily English-speaking, average family of four with a ridiculous disposable income.

That does not describe the current demographics of the Walt Disney World resort.
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The "they" I refer to are the people I spoke to on line for the rides, on the buses, and on the monorail between the two trips in the past month. This included a group of college girls waiting in line with me for SWDT (the first time I rode it), a young couple standing in line in front of me for Splash Mountain, a group of back-packing 20-something's (one guy, two girls) on line with me for SWMT the second time I rode it, and various groups of other people my sister and I were talking to from a few weeks ago.
 
CinematicFusion

CinematicFusion

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WDW1974 said:
How does one return from a truly WONDERful and MAGICal vacation? How does one get back in that 'real world' swing?



Frozen at EPCOT. That is what has you all hot and bothered right? Well, it is coming to the ride formally known as the Maelstrom. It will be a rush job. I don't normally name sources but here I flat out will since my second source confirmed it to an audience of maybe 150 people during an onboard presentation on the Disney Wonder.
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If they are putting Frozen in World Showcase then maybe the rumor of the Ratatouille ride in France has more legs to stand on.
That would be a solid one-two punch for World Showcase.
Also, they would need to add another ride in my opinion. The little Frozen ride couldn't hold the crowds that would surely pour into world showcase.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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ChrisFL said:
Maelstrom has always made sense to me, at least somewhat.

Let me explain how I understand what happens during the ride.

You first visit the viking village, then you encounter a three headed troll, plus a very large troll on the left. The three headed troll puts a curse on you, sending you backwards.

As you travel backwards, you're actually moving through Norway, but also traveling through time. When the boat stops and moves forward again, you see the same large troll you saw in the first troll scene, but he is missing an eye and looks very old...then you go down the drop into the modern oil rig scene.
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That makes somewhat sense, but I think the execution feels very choppy, probably due to a sliced budget.

If a proper length was given to the ride, the storyline you suggested would have made a lot more sense.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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PhotoDave219 said:
No. "They" don't…

Every conference attendee and executive person that I have that does not like it. Every person who is not 100% technology savvy, does not like it. Every person that does not have a smart phone does not like it. Every person I've met over the age of 60 does not like it.

You know who does? The overplanning, primarily English-speaking, average family of four with a ridiculous disposable income.

That does not describe the current demographics of the Walt Disney World resort.
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Oh, I forget to mention...

"They" also includes from this morning. I got my haircut and the girl cutting my hair told me she was there also on Friday. When I told her about the $2.5 billion spent on NextGen, she said the same thing... That she thinks it was worth it and believes it was money well spent.
 
randyrut

randyrut

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PhotoDave219 said:
No. "They" don't…

Every conference attendee and executive person that I have that does not like it. Every person who is not 100% technology savvy, does not like it. Every person that does not have a smart phone does not like it. Every person I've met over the age of 60 does not like it.

You know who does? The overplanning, primarily English-speaking, average family of four with a ridiculous disposable income.

That does not describe the current demographics of the Walt Disney World resort.
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That describes me and my family perfectly, and I also do not like it.
 
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roodlesnouter

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spacemt354 said:
I do agree that a pattern is developing to the further inclusion of characters into the countries. However, I don't have a problem with the characters if they blend in to the cultural significance of the pavilion and are not a distraction.

If we take into context the eleven pavilions, there are six pavilions that have an attraction (ride or show) associated. Out of those six, only one (now rumored to be two) will have characters. I understand there is a trend, but I don't think it's an epidemic. I think careful inclusion of relevant characters in their respective countries is fine, just as long as it's not overdone.

I also don't think it's the end of all hope for culturally relevant additions/refurbs. O Canada! was refurbed in 2007. France and China still have their culturally significant films. And the American Adventure has not been tampered with...thank goodness. While you mentioned the Japan ride, there was also rumored to be a Rhine River boat ride in Germany. The ride was scrapped but the space is still there for a potential attraction like that.
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It already is over done.

United Kingdom Pavilion
France Pavilion
Morocco Pavilion
Germany Pavilion
China Pavilion
Mexico Pavilion
Norway Pavilion

(did I miss any?)

All have characters wheter that be ride or M&G's not to mention Phineas and Ferb intertwined through the whole area.

Can't we enjoy, learn or even eat without having charaters everywhere?

I know they're popular but hell come on, this is World showcase and should be about the country and it's customs, traditions and culture no countries customs, traditions and culture are about giant characters. Enough is enough!!!!
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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PeterAlt said:
The "they" I refer to are the people I spoke to on line for the rides, on the buses, and on the monorail between the two trips in the past month. This included a group of college girls waiting in line with me for SWDT (the first time I rode it), a young couple standing in line in front of me for Splash Mountain, a group of back-packing 20-something's (one guy, two girls) on line with me for SWMT the second time I rode it, and various groups of other people my sister and I were talking to from a few weeks ago.
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I find Major League Baseball executives and Corporate CEOs to be a better barometer than 20-something college boys and girls.

Just a tad more credible.
 

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