PREMiERdrum
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I thought they were being designed at the same time, a la The Seas and The Subs. Both kind of petered out at the same time, and all the noise currently is just about Maelstrom.
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I thought they were being designed at the same time, a la The Seas and The Subs. Both kind of petered out at the same time, and all the noise currently is just about Maelstrom.
PeterAlt
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I see your point. I'm still happy with it. As I said to someone I was talking to on line for Splash Mountain who asked me if SWMT was any good, I said "It's definitely not as good as this, but after years of not having any new rides built here it's soooo refreshing to see!"
hpyhnt 1000
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Please. Guarantee Iger doesn't have a clue a ride called Maelstrom even exists, let alone that it could be used to overlay Frozen. In fact, I'd be shocked if the guy could even give the proper names of the four parks at WDW.
As for building a bigger E-ticket for World Showcase that would be completely Frozen themed (UGH!), it would require a massive rebuilding of the entire Norway pavilion. Simply put, the current layout of the village area is just not designed to handle the crowds that a true E-ticket would bring and I doubt it could be saved. As the Norway plot is more or less completely built out with no real room for expansion, the only way to expand would be laterally into the expansion plot between the current Norway pavilion and Mexico.
But, again, that whole scenario = UGH!
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Atomicmickey
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Side note--that applies to all of this in some ways.
I've been reading BLUE OCEAN STRATEGY and wow, is Disney ever going
by the book in this case.
The 'outer' portion of the strategy is to create new market space by creating products
that don't compete in the standard way, that don't 'play by the rules' of the established
market space. I'd argue that's MM+. A new way to navigate a theme park--book your
rides in advance being the primary 'consumer benefit'. Also--and we haven't even seen
the start of this, yet--having the parks/CM's/attractions 'talk back' to the guests in delightful/creepy
ways. That sort of thing. No one's done that before.
But--the thing I didn't expect about the book, and the more insidious part of this, is to
carve back on expenses, reduce options and offerings, and channel your customers
into narrower experiences. This is why we've seen all this little stuff being dropped--like,
for example, Push the trash can, and other entertainment offerings. Everything's being
slashed in the name of cutting costs and narrowing offerings. Get rid of all the extras
and focus on just a few, more genericized things. 'Disney Parks Merchandise' would be
another example--pare down the lines, discard the smaller unique things.
This is why they'll only invest the bare minimum in a Frozen overlay to an existing attraction. It fits the strategy, and it will work, no matter what we think of it.
And so they 'invest' in the Blue Ocean, and 'pare back' on all the things that we love.
So--perhaps things aren't 'on hold' because of waiting for MM+, perhaps they're on
hold because that's CORE STRATEGY AT WORK.
In other words, they're doing this all on purpose. The things we don't like. Because, well,
the fan community is just a gnat, really, in the grand scheme of things. In a few years,
the parks will be overrun with folks who think it's amazing that they booked their Space
Mountain ride three months in advance, and there you have it.
And so, in conclusion, grr.
I've been reading BLUE OCEAN STRATEGY and wow, is Disney ever going
by the book in this case.
The 'outer' portion of the strategy is to create new market space by creating products
that don't compete in the standard way, that don't 'play by the rules' of the established
market space. I'd argue that's MM+. A new way to navigate a theme park--book your
rides in advance being the primary 'consumer benefit'. Also--and we haven't even seen
the start of this, yet--having the parks/CM's/attractions 'talk back' to the guests in delightful/creepy
ways. That sort of thing. No one's done that before.
But--the thing I didn't expect about the book, and the more insidious part of this, is to
carve back on expenses, reduce options and offerings, and channel your customers
into narrower experiences. This is why we've seen all this little stuff being dropped--like,
for example, Push the trash can, and other entertainment offerings. Everything's being
slashed in the name of cutting costs and narrowing offerings. Get rid of all the extras
and focus on just a few, more genericized things. 'Disney Parks Merchandise' would be
another example--pare down the lines, discard the smaller unique things.
This is why they'll only invest the bare minimum in a Frozen overlay to an existing attraction. It fits the strategy, and it will work, no matter what we think of it.
And so they 'invest' in the Blue Ocean, and 'pare back' on all the things that we love.
So--perhaps things aren't 'on hold' because of waiting for MM+, perhaps they're on
hold because that's CORE STRATEGY AT WORK.
In other words, they're doing this all on purpose. The things we don't like. Because, well,
the fan community is just a gnat, really, in the grand scheme of things. In a few years,
the parks will be overrun with folks who think it's amazing that they booked their Space
Mountain ride three months in advance, and there you have it.
And so, in conclusion, grr.
You've mentioned it already before.
spacemt354
Chili's
Lol I never would have described the ride that way...but I guess you're right. The scenes are disorganized and fly by with little connection. One minute trolls, the next giant polar bears, then more trolls, then an oil rig?
I agree with a lot of your points too. A "proper" Frozen/Star Wars tag team in Epcot and DHS would revitalize two parks that desperately need it.
Though for me, I would just add Frozen and Star Wars to DHS while refurbing the Future World pavilions in Epcot. I wouldn't want to add a ton of Frozen to Norway and throw off the balance of the World Showcase pavilions, because I think roughly the same amount of square footage is designated to each country for equality purposes. I'm not sure how much space is available and furthermore, I think Frozen just fits better in DHS.
In regards to the Lion King in Disney parks, Disney implemented it right away. They had The Legend of the Lion King show in Magic Kingdom (from 1994-2002) and still have Festival of the Lion King in Animal Kingdom, in addition to various meet and greet locations.
Imagine a Frozen ride (or show) in Animation Courtyard with meet and greets, plus perhaps a Frozen parade for DHS as well (like Disney used to do for their new films). Want to increase popularity of a park and give your best IP in years proper expanded treatment in a thematically correct location?
No...Let's just shoehorn it into a short, sub-par boat ride in Norway that will produce egregiously long lines due to its capacity concerns.
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MerlinTheGoat
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I'm not saying it isn't good either (I think it looks like a solid addition), but that kind of paints a glaring point that it HAS been so very long since anything decent has really made it to Magic Kingdom.
PhotoDave219
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Obvious troll is obvious.
JEANYLASER
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I'm scared about the trolls in that ride and I hope Frozen ride won't have any trolls or do they please tell me!
PeterAlt
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Everyone I spoke with at the parks didn't mind that Disney spent $2.5 billion on NextGen after I explained it to them. These are ordinary people, not fans like us. I told them people on the Internet would have preferred that they spent that money on new rides and improvements to existing rides. They all disagreed and thought that the $2.5 billion was well spent. I had this conversation with about a dozen people and every single one said that. Go figure!
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
spacemt354
Chili's
Were the dozen people all Lou Mongello clones?
doctornick
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It's pretty likely that any Frozen ride at Norway will have trolls -- the question is whether the trolls will be the current "scary" ones that are on Maelstrom with only a minor Frozen overlay (adding characters to existing scenes a la the Three Caballeros) or will it be a big redo with the "cute" trolls from the movie itself used (brand new show scenes).
PeterAlt
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Agreed.
hpyhnt 1000
Well-Known Member
Really? So for $2+ billion these "ordinary people" prefer being able to wear a rubber bracelet all day as opposed to having:
- Beastly Kingdom, AND
- Star Wars land, AND
- Carsland and/or expanded Pixar Place AND
- 3 completely refurbished Future World pavilions and maybe even another country in WS, AND
- Thunder Mesa and/or completely refurbished Tomorrowland, AND
- A proper villains land or Pixie Hollow instead of the tents of Storybook Circus, AND
- Brand new nighttime shows and parades for all the parks.
PeterAlt
Well-Known Member
You can say that maybe they don't know what they're missing. They liked the convenience of it. I know, I'm as shocked as you, but that's the cold truth!
truecoat
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It's an easy fix, build a parking ramp.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Well maybe not all of that… But at least half of it.
You no more speak for "they" than anyone else....
WildcatDen
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Forsaking one does not bequeeth the other - Shakespeare (Fred)