The Spirited 8th Wonder (WDW's Future & You!)

[Cody5242]

Frozen finally ended its domestic run yesterday. It came out in November.... What a run

 

[bhg469]

This changed happened in every complex except Vista Way. At Chatham Square, all of the former 2BR-4 person units became 2BR-6 person units. Over at The Commons and Patterson Court, some of the 2BR-4 person units became 2BR-5 person units. Both of the former complexes still offer the 2BR-4 person option. The picture below (from the CP website) shows how they achieve the triple occupancy set up.

They really cram those kids in there dont they?

 

[jrriddle]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing. Everyone is upset about a resort being converted to DVC? This complacency seems to be the problem. Everyone just accepts that TDO is going to do nothing. So let's complain about the loss of a resort. I think the bigger issue,adding nothing impressive to the parks, is just being accepted by everyone because that's what TDO always does. As long as this is the general attitude then I don't blame them for not responding to Potter. Why bother.

 

[cw1982]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing. Everyone is upset about a resort being converted to DVC? This complacency seems to be the problem. Everyone just accepts that TDO is going to do nothing. So let's complain about the loss of a resort. I think the bigger issue,adding nothing impressive to the parks, is just being accepted by everyone because that's what TDO always does. As long as this is the general attitude then I don't blame them for not responding to Potter. Why bother.

I don't think it's complacency for this issue, but rather not much of a surprise. I don't know about everyone else, but I had already assumed that TDO knew Potter 2 was coming. There's been numerous threads already that hash out how Disney should have done more, etc. The DVC thing stood out more because it was a fresh topic.

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing.

Unfortunately, this is just par for the course at this point. I'm more irritated with escalating matters. Complacency is just routine TDO.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing. Everyone is upset about a resort being converted to DVC? This complacency seems to be the problem. Everyone just accepts that TDO is going to do nothing. So let's complain about the loss of a resort. I think the bigger issue,adding nothing impressive to the parks, is just being accepted by everyone because that's what TDO always does. As long as this is the general attitude then I don't blame them for not responding to Potter. Why bother.

They did... NFL duh!

No but seriously, we have talked about that quite a bit... Disney is relying heavy on brand loyalty to bring in profits. It is embarrassing.
It was stated before but again, Disney seems to think that UNi isn't real competition.

 

[jrriddle]

I don't think it's complacency for this issue, but rather not much of a surprise. I don't know about everyone else, but I had already assumed that TDO knew Potter 2 was coming. There's been numerous threads already that hash out how Disney should have done more, etc. The DVC thing stood out more because it was a fresh topic.

That's fair. I wasn't aware of the other threads. It just sort of jumped out at me when Spirit mentioned it and no one really commented. Just sort of took it as routine.

 

[Lucky]

They did... NFL duh!

No but seriously, we have talked about that quite a bit... Disney is relying heavy on brand loyalty to bring in profits. It is embarrassing.
It was stated before but again, Disney seems to think that UNi isn't real competition.

The brand loyalty is still enough for today's execs to make their careers. Even if they know the competition from Uni is real and will gradually erode the brand loyalty, that's for some poor slob of a future exec to worry about.

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

I don't think it's complacency for this issue, but rather not much of a surprise. I don't know about everyone else, but I had already assumed that TDO knew Potter 2 was coming. There's been numerous threads already that hash out how Disney should have done more, etc. The DVC thing stood out more because it was a fresh topic.

And I don't even understand why this topic seems so fresh - just look at all the domestic resort additions over the past 10 years: Saratoga, AKV, BLT, VCG (DVC in California), Aulani (DVC in Hawaii), VGF, Poly DVC, and Animation. Literally one of these projects isn't DVC, and it was to finish construction that had been sitting across from Pop Century (and to capitalize on family suites).

Recent rumors before this thread swirled around a River Country or Epcot DVC. Now WL's regular rooms are on the chopping block. So it seems inevitable that more DVC is coming - it's just a matter of where.

 

[cw1982]

And I don't even understand why this topic seems so fresh - just look at all the domestic resort additions over the past 10 years: Saratoga, AKV, BLT, VCG (DVC in California), Aulani (DVC in Hawaii), VGF, Poly DVC, and Animation. Literally one of those projects isn't DVC, and it was to finish construction that had been sitting eerily across from Pop Century (and to capitalize on family suites).

Recent rumors before this thread swirled around a River Country or Epcot DVC. So it seems like more and more DVC is inevitable - it's just a matter of where. The first part of the equation (that more DVC is coming) should be taken for granted.

Maybe it's not really fresh per se, just more fresh than the HP versus Potter Swatter thing? Not only does that topic have its own dedicated thread, but it continuously pops up in other threads as well, no matter how many times people roll their eyes and beg for it to stop lol.

And perhaps the "where" isn't as much of an issue, but the details of that particular plan are what caught my eye.

 

[marni1971]

That's fair. I wasn't aware of the other threads. It just sort of jumped out at me when Spirit mentioned it and no one really commented. Just sort of took it as routine.

Sadly it is routine to a lot of us.

I knew roughly of Diagon three years ago. I was walked through Rip Ride Rockits path a year before construction began. I know some of what to expect 24-36 months from now, either planned, built or being built.

So you can bet TDO and TWDC know way more than me.

Hopefully that's not showing off. Just trying to demonstrate my point.

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

Maybe it's not really fresh per se, just more fresh than the HP versus Potter Swatter thing? Not only does that topic have its own dedicated thread, but it continuously pops up in other threads as well, no matter how many times people roll their eyes and beg for it to stop lol.

And perhaps the "where" isn't as much of an issue, but the details of that particular plan are what caught my eye.

Yeah I get what you mean - it's still fresh in the sense that it drops new information about this strategy (who thought Wilderness Lodge would be home to the next big DVC project, and one that's potentially as invasive as Poly?). This thread also provides a place for this issue to be the center of discussion, as you pointed out.

But the writing has been on the walls ever since AKV and BLT were being developed simultaneously. Perhaps some expected this growth to slow down soon, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[jrriddle]

Sadly it is routine to a lot of us.

I knew roughly of Diagon three years ago. I was walked through Rip Ride Rockits path a year before construction began. I know some of what to expect 24-36 months from now, either planned, built or being built.

So you can bet TDO and TWDC know way more than me.

Hopefully that's not showing off. Just trying to demonstrate my point.

Not showing off at all Martin. I haven't been on the boards for awhile and didn't realize I was beating a dead horse. It's kind of sad that TDOs lack of adding to the parks is just expected now even by the die hard fans.

 

[crispy]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing. Everyone is upset about a resort being converted to DVC? This complacency seems to be the problem. Everyone just accepts that TDO is going to do nothing. So let's complain about the loss of a resort. I think the bigger issue,adding nothing impressive to the parks, is just being accepted by everyone because that's what TDO always does. As long as this is the general attitude then I don't blame them for not responding to Potter. Why bother.

We knew it was coming so why wouldn't Disney management? They didn't do anything for Potter 1.0 except announce Avatar which just broke ground. These threads show that we aren't complacent. Seriously, there are thousands of pages filled with outrage. It may not be to your liking, but many of us are doing our best to be heard. Do you have any ideas to make TDO change or listen? Because I would love to hear them (and I mean that quite sincerely).

 

[Gabe1]

This changed happened in every complex except Vista Way. At Chatham Square, all of the former 2BR-4 person units became 2BR-6 person units. Over at The Commons and Patterson Court, some of the 2BR-4 person units became 2BR-5 person units. Both of the former complexes still offer the 2BR-4 person option. The picture below (from the CP website) shows how they achieve the triple occupancy set up.

Wow that really sucks. My DS was originally at Vista Way for the first and extended and was at Chatham. I am so glad he did this years ago when you just had two people squished into a small bedroom. This is ridiculous. My guess is they did not lower the rent per person. I'm going to have to go pull out an old paystub of his.

Now if they really do what Spirit is indicating with DVCs, and they have already done this prior, they will need to build a couple more complexes. I saw the units when he did the CP and I was comfortable with it. This I would not have been amused about. Disney rent to CPs is higher than his dorm rent was.

 

[jrriddle]

We knew it was coming so why wouldn't Disney management? They didn't do anything for Potter 1.0 except announce Avatar which just broke ground. These threads show that we aren't complacent. Seriously, there are thousands of pages filled with outrage. It may not be to your liking, but many of us are doing our best to be heard. Do you have any ideas to make TDO change or listen? Because I would love to hear them (and I mean that quite sincerely).

Voting with your dollar comes to mind. There are other theme parks. Other Disney parks. Or other destinations around the world that are quite popular and they have no rides meet and greets or DVC. As I explained I haven't been on these boards for quite a while. I don't mean to be a jerk or belittle your complaining about the state of WDW. But as long as people (who should know better) keep spending money at wdw while they do nothing then I don't blame them for not adding anything.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Sadly it is routine to a lot of us.

I knew roughly of Diagon three years ago. I was walked through Rip Ride Rockits path a year before construction began. I know some of what to expect 24-36 months from now, either planned, built or being built.

So you can bet TDO and TWDC know way more than me.

Hopefully that's not showing off. Just trying to demonstrate my point.

Showoff.

 

[Mike S]

I find it odd that 20 pages in and no one is really irate that Disney knew about Potter 2 coming (in some detail from what I gather) and they did nothing. Everyone is upset about a resort being converted to DVC? This complacency seems to be the problem. Everyone just accepts that TDO is going to do nothing. So let's complain about the loss of a resort. I think the bigger issue,adding nothing impressive to the parks, is just being accepted by everyone because that's what TDO always does. As long as this is the general attitude then I don't blame them for not responding to Potter. Why bother.

Don't know if you skipped it but I definitely put my thoughts out there on that particular bit of news.

 

[jrriddle]

Don't know if you skipped it but I definitely put my thoughts out there on that particular bit of news.

Well played Sir!

 

[Goofyernmost]

The brand loyalty is still enough for today's execs to make their careers. Even if they know the competition from Uni is real and will gradually erode the brand loyalty, that's for some poor slob of a future exec to worry about.

What to know what I think? Of course you don't but I'm going to tell you anyway. I think that they are right. It is going to take at least 3 more generations before Disney loses the uniqueness that makes it Disney. Old Walt left a very deep foot print and it is going to take a long time to fill in.

In the meantime, Universal is investing millions and millions into a park which will never be anymore then just another interesting place to see when people come down to visit Disney. The amount of people needed to support Universal has to increase by huge numbers to ever justify spending what Disney already has over the last 40+ years. Disney isn't playing catch up Universal is.

They have managed to equal and exceed legendary Disney quality in the new build out, but, they do not have Walt's legacy. TWDC is not wrong in thinking that all they have to do is sit back and wait for Uni to have spent to their break even point and they will stop building new stuff. Why, because corporate and stock holders will demand a massive return on the investments and it is going to take years to payback their current rate of expansion.

They will be a great park, with great and amazing attractions, but, they will never have the Princesses and the Mouse and the gang that today's children have been raised with. Admission prices aren't even all that different. Their target audience is much older in physical years, but, still stuck in a world of fantasy and that is what the continuing success of the HP franchise is going to require. The children (small ones) are accommodated in areas, but, they are not targeted. Disney will remain the family destination for a long time to come and may never lose that identity. However, Universal Orlando will be an extremely worthwhile place to visit for a day or two, which is an expansion of one day over what they have always had.

In short, Disney has a lot of time to go before they need to care what Universal is doing. Unless Uni keeps upgrading their new stuff, it will grow as stale as what everyone thinks that Disney has become. It's an expensive business to be in.