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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Good thing maintenance is not being cut to pay for them.



The older ships are? Sure. I have just been on MAGIC recently and it is sparkling. IIRC @wm49rs has, as well. I am sure he would more than concur on that matter.

Rust on the hull? LOL. Ocean water is salt water which is highly corrosive. One tiny area naked to the eye can result in a rapid spread of rust. Have you ever been on a Disney Cruise? One trip with them makes it very clear just how much maintenance DCL puts into their vessels on a rolling basis.

DCL makes great use of having their own island where they can pull directly up to it. It allows large rolling maintenance that other lines cannot accomplish all the way down to genie lifts to paint hulls. They paint on every stop at CC to extents that no other lines do. They also power wash their vessels at CC from top down which other lines only do on the top deck windows. But do not fret, as DCL has crews that paint other areas on the exterior at general ports as well as power-washing the same windows other lines are.

Take a DCL trip and pull in a port beside a CCL, RCCL, NCL, HLACL, CXCL, etc and you will notice nothing but rust stains running down from all orifices of the their vessels' exteriors. You will not notice that on a DCL vessel.

The only time when a lack of exterior maintenance could possibly be views is when a vessel is not on an itinerary that makes a call at CC. They then do not have that infrastructure to do large maintenance items that they typically do. @jakeman can attest to that fact as he has been on MAGIC in Europe and Bahamas.

Each night DCL also has crews all over their vessels repairing worn carpet. They have supplies of mattresses in-case any are deemed sub-par. Furniture, flatware, curtains, upholstery, etc are all stocked up in-case something is deemed below standards. Carpets throughout the ships are also shampooed nightly to ensure their cleanliness and shine. That is well above and beyond that of any other competitor.



In case you aren't familiar with how marine vessel maintenance works, you cannot just "paint over rust." Certain types of rust in specific locations must get blasted down to bare metal. Environmental controls to do so are very strict and cannot be accomplished just anywhere. You will be hard pressed to find that on MAGIC, DREAM, or FANTASY.

WONDER is slated for a long duration Dry-Docking this Fall and is currently the ship that has gone the longest without out of service maintenance. After her August 26 14-night Eastbound Panamanian voyage she has no cruises until November 10 out of Galveston. That duration of Dry-Docking is no cheap maintenance task and most certainly will not just be sitting there without work being done. The logistics of the ship-repair industry do not allow as they would lose massive amounts of money.

While she has some items that are in need of attention and has not received maintenance others have there are reasons, and they are good reasons. She is certainly about to get that attention that she deserves. It also cannot be glossed over just how much work they have accomplished while keeping her in service. You do not just simply get onto a yard's DD docket at the drop of a hat. With the Eastbound Panamanian Voyage ending in PC and the next one being in Galveston one would logically assume that the DD will be in Freeport. Freeport services more cruise-line vessels than any other DD on the planet after US law changed the Visa Program allowing them to be serviced at US ports like MAGIC in Norfolk, Va. I cannot reasonably see them traversing to Spain each direction with an empty vessel to accomplish such work.

WONDER would presumably receive the same treat that MAGIC did 30 months ago (which was large scale with a near entire gutting of certain areas and the entire exterior being blasted down to metal). The Canal expansion in Panama completion date has been pushed back in an official capacity around three different time. The current completion date will more than likely be the completion date as they gave themselves a great cushion. Had WONDER received this treatment before this west-coast it would have nixed all voyages out there. That would have been foolish on an entirely new level. Sailing around the horn of South America is always possible but would be a much longer voyage from Miami or PC than most people would or could take. Weather down there is very temperamental, also.

Now we can tally up where the fleet stands.

MAGIC~ 30 months removed from a large scale, very in-depth Dry-Docking and renovation. A lot of upkeep performed while docked at CC when east coast, including extra attention post-European routes. Personal experience holds her in outstanding condition, especially when compared to other Cruise Lines.

WONDER~ About to receive a very involved Dry-Docking, likely on the same scale as MAGIC. She receives a large amount of exterior maintenance while in CC. Soft goods have been replaced and modernized, not in Holiday Inn fashion. Still in far better condition than competitor Cruise Lines.

DREAM~ Nearly five years old. She just came out of a Dry-Docking six months ago where a good amount of money was spent on her to plus offerings from adult areas to kids areas. Her hull was redone with its more eco-friendly and slippery coating that DCL now uses beginning with DREAM's debut.

FANTASY~ Nearly 4 years old and presumably about to receive the same attention as DREAM in the next 18-24 months. Her condition is outstanding. She has had one fluke mechanical issue that caused CC to be missed this year that could happen to any vessel. An issue that DCL very quickly rectified and turned her around on time.

All of those compounded with the ongoing maintenance of painting, which you see many wet paint sides nearly every boarding, re-carpeting all over the ship on a rolling basis, shampooing of carpets on a rolling basis, light bulbs always being changed(!), and much more. We also cannot ignore the fact that DCL splurged for MOBAS when nearly none of their competitors have done as such.

The cruise industry is a far different area of business than theme parks. While DCL certainly has their addicts that will come regardless, a larger portion (much larger than theme parks) are looking for value and take note of every little detail. If that large portion are unsatisfied with the offerings then they will not hesitate to go elsewhere. DCL cannot afford to let that happen and will not let that happen, otherwise their prices, that are adjusted on a near daily basis, will begin to fall. With ships you cannot simply just mark rooms out of inventory. This industry just does not work that way.

My fiance was on Oasis first of January, ironic since January 2015 we were on MAGIC when MAGIC plucked the MOB from Oasis out o the water, and she was completely disappointed with it. She is very detailed oriented and will take our trips elsewhere if she feels the value has dropped for what we pay. She could not understand how a six and a half year old vessel is completely eclipsed on condition by an eighteen year old vessel.

That clip from the Disney Cruise Blog was when the MAGIC was on her FIRST trip out of drydock in 2013 - Rust immediately after a drydocking does not speak well of the project management or the attention to detail.

. As to needing to sandblast just ask any Navy rating about the 'needle scaler' which is used to remove corrosion underway without sandblasting.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
So now Disney is comparing Zootopia to Lion King in the trailers. Pulled the same thing with Frozen. To people who have seen it, is it a real comparison or are they blowing smoke again?
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
It matters a lot if the maintenance on the CURRENT fleet is cut to help pay for the new ships, And at least from the cruise boards Disney's older ships are starting to look a bit worn, i.e. worn carpets and furniture , rust on the superstructure and hull have not seen it personally but I have seen pictures and here is a snippet from the Disney Cruise Blog

In Miami, you enter thru Deck 4 instead of Deck 3. The first thing you notice is that the walls on Deck 4 need a coat of paint, and the rust is prevalent, and it seems dirty; that ‘wow’ factor is missing as you enter and see the elevators and stairwell. Entering via deck 4 is a result of the configuration of PortMiami, not a choice by Disney. The Promenade Lounge went untouched as well, as the faded booths actually have visible rips in them, among many other things that shows the age of it.
Your quote is nearly 2.5 years old, And the area in question has since been repainted several times and the promenade lounge referenced was given a refresh and new upholstery in the most recent dry dock.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
That clip from the Disney Cruise Blog was when the MAGIC was on her FIRST trip out of drydock in 2013 - Rust immediately after a drydocking does not speak well of the project management or the attention to detail.

. As to needing to sandblast just ask any Navy rating about the 'needle scaler' which is used to remove corrosion underway without sandblasting.
I forgot. You're an expert on everything. Should have known....
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
That clip from the Disney Cruise Blog was when the MAGIC was on her FIRST trip out of drydock in 2013 - Rust immediately after a drydocking does not speak well of the project management or the attention to detail.

. As to needing to sandblast just ask any Navy rating about the 'needle scaler' which is used to remove corrosion underway without sandblasting.
While the Navy might occasionally use that methodology it does not work for the commercial industry. It's impractical due to the vibration against the hull (which will echo and annoy passengers who happen to be aboard), also the compressed air necessary for it. On top of that Sandblasting tends to be better for large scale removal, hence why the Navy tends to go that route. Also Needle Gunning is also not preferential around different contours
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
So now Disney is comparing Zootopia to Lion King in the trailers. Pulled the same thing with Frozen. To people who have seen it, is it a real comparison or are they blowing smoke again?

If the critical reception is the metric then perhaps it is one of their best movies in decades. Sitting with 98% on RT. In fact, if that's the metric it's technically better than Lion King.
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
If the critical reception is the metric then perhaps it is one of their best movies in decades. Sitting with 98% on RT. In fact, if that's the metric it's technically better than Lion King.
It's RT is breaking records last I checked. I'm hoping to check it out this weekend.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
While the Navy might occasionally use that methodology it does not work for the commercial industry. It's impractical due to the vibration against the hull (which will echo and annoy passengers who happen to be aboard), also the compressed air necessary for it. On top of that Sandblasting tends to be better for large scale removal, hence why the Navy tends to go that route. Also Needle Gunning is also not preferential around different contours

Whoa whoa whoa. It sounds like you actually know what you're talking about. You better reel that in.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
I completely missed that, nice to know someone up the chain has common sense.
Yeah. It was only gone a week or two before new menus appeared with the cheese plate and the chicken wings back on the menu. Glad they fixed their mistake, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
WONDER is slated for a long duration Dry-Docking this Fall and is currently the ship that has gone the longest without out of service maintenance. After her August 26 14-night Eastbound Panamanian voyage she has no cruises until November 10 out of Galveston. That duration of Dry-Docking is no cheap maintenance task and most certainly will not just be sitting there without work being done. The logistics of the ship-repair industry do not allow as they would lose massive amounts of money.
The new panama canal should be open already , right?
Hopefully they will add the Magic Enhancements to the wonder, along with the famous extended "duck tail".
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
That doesn't make it fact. It is unlikely to be permanent especially as new stuff is added to the parks. Possible, sure, but, unlikely!
We will have to wait and see.
Hopefully the whole Shangai issue will be done and resolved so WDW is left to grow/getrepaired in the way it deserves.

So now Disney is comparing Zootopia to Lion King in the trailers. Pulled the same thing with Frozen. To people who have seen it, is it a real comparison or are they blowing smoke again?
98% score (with 2 very weak negative reviews) on rotten tomatoes.. seen it twice.. very good id say.
for me it was easily thousands times better than "frozen" (never liked the hype of that movie).
 
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Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Everything you said is spot on. Only cuts I've noticed was about a year and a half ago they reduced the number of character performer. You will rarely see Mickey and Minnie meet together as a result where before it was commonplace.

And post dry dock the dream started charging for food in more outlets than palo/remy for the sports bar food and the ice cream shop. In addition tithe great all hands on deck room service scandal
On the Alaska voyage I went.. back in 2014 (on the Wonder)... I never seen Mickey and Minnie together at same time.
You always seen them on separate areas but never together at same time.
You always would get Minnie first on deck 9/10 and Donald on Deck 4
Then Goofy on Deck 10, Then Mickey on Deck 10 (right on Tracy's arm).
Golden Mickeys as well.. First Minnie, then Mickey.
Or these cuts extended to the Fantasy and Dream? ( I have yet to be on these)


Thank you!
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
That's it. I want to go on a Disney Cruise. What time of year would be best?
depends on where you're going to be. Weather can affect a lot of your shore expeditions.

If you want best price.. Id say September/october for Alaska (the last cruise is the cheapest and its usually filled with only seniors, very few kids).
 

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