I know Lee. I respect him. But Lee is simply offering his opinion that these things weren't related.
He may be right, but I don't believe he is. Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion and I find the timing very odd ... very ... especially with the sheer volume of 'rumors/leaks' all the while some very ugly stuff is going down at WDW.
And by sheer volumes you mean one partial blueprint?
It's not my information to share. But I have heard it from those who would know ... and I management was infomed in written, email form that there were policies and procedures that could lead to just such an incident. They were ignored. When people got loud, their jobs were threatened.
You may well be reading about it shortly, but it won't be in a post by me here.
That's fine, so you'll just allude to it continuously for two weeks instead of actually contributing to the conversation.
If you are really as concerned as you say you are with the connection you say you have, I would think that you have some sort of moral obligation to inform the correct people that Disney knew about these issues long before it resulted in a death.
Yes. And my comments have been largely that people want to talk about anything rumor-related, but nothing of hard news that is coming from WDW.
There was nothing left to talk about. That, I think is the main point you are missing. The monorail accident was 10 days old. Nothing left to do except wait for the official report. The bus accident was a standard fender bender. The only thing remarkable was that it was two Disney buses.
There was no relavent "hard news" at the time these plans were leaked.
And Lee is right ... the blueprint wasn't 'supposed' to get out if you're talking from the WDI end of things ... or the D23 end ... or even WDW Press and Publicity ... but that doesn't mean someone at the company in a very high position didn't make sure they got out just the same.
Again, to what purpose? To distract a crowd of folks that are going to go to Disney anyways?
I don't know what that's supposed to mean at all. If you think I take any joy in the death of a kid just starting his life ... or any of the other lesser (but very significant) 'issues' that WDW has faced the past few weeks, then I really have nothing to say to you now or ever. Because I had to hold back tears when getting on the monorail a few days later knowing that Austin had piloted me just before he died. And because I had a few railies tell me about many of the safety issues in 2006 and we were going to do something to make sure someone took note, even if TDO was turning a blind eye ... and life got in the way. Sadly, maybe if we had pushed the Orlando Sentinel to go after that story back then, something we talked about, this kid would be alive today.
My true colors are only that I care about people and that I care about Disney being a safe place ... if that means attacking TDO here, I am more than happy to keep doing so.
Of course I'm not implying that you took joy in another person's death. You did use it to get your already widely known opinion out there even further:
WDW1974 said:
...Disney has been known to take shortcuts (both individually and systematically) ... not saying it was the case here, just saying it was possible.
And even if it was 'human error' much like the deaths in Anaheim, that human error ws the result of poor training and people not following procedures ... anyway, just sad. And quite probably preventable.
WDW1974 said:
Disney is going to get slammed for this ... no doubt about that ... it may have been 'human error' but that excuse only goes so far when corners are cut, procedures aren't followed or changed (even due to 'guest complaints' over waiting etc) when people die.
The Mouse really needs to be repetent beyond belief and fundamentally change this constant cutting of anything or anyone of value ... funny how all the old-timers who are ripping the change in procedures are largely not with the company ... but these new guys know best ...
WDW1974 said:
And just wait until one of those overloaded buses, packed with kids, flips on one of those twisty off-ramps on a rainy night ... that will make this seem like a walk in the park, sadly.
Disney needs to wake up to the fact that 15 years of growth with no new rails, no new watercraft, cuts behind the scenes in everything from maintenance to experienced railies has resulted in a mess that will likely require a few billion dollars and some vision to fix.
You actually believe Disney's got that?
I think this one is my favorite. Comparing the monorail accident to a trashy MK:
WDW1974 said:
...MK was absolutely a pig pen tonight since the same lack of fundamentals, that slippery slope eventually does lead to a path where people's lives are at stake?
These are your words from a simple forum search regarding the monorail accident. Instead of waiting like a rational person for offical facts you went off on Disney Management. Your first post was less than 12 hours after the accident, before the first offical NTSB report.
Do I think you took joy in someones death? No, of course not. Do I think that you used the accident to further your own irrational management hating agenda? Yes I do. Your own words go a long way to supporting that arguement.
You have many good points about the positives and negatives of WDW, but you take it too far sometimes.
You can have the last word. I'm not going to go back and forth with you like jt.
EDIT: Just so I'm not pigeonholed as a management apologist, if the final monorail report comes out and there was a management failure at any level or if anyone can confirm beyond reasonable doubt that these plans were leaked with the sole intent of covering up the monorail accident, we can ride in a car together to go picket TDO. I'll be waiting until the report comes out though.
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