The new extended Fantasyland Vs Harry potter land??

[devoy1701]

The ride or the films? I`ve seen one of the Potter movies. Made myself watch it to try to understand what the hype was about. The following 5 are still sat in the box set unwatched. However, I can`t wait for the attraction. It will be mindblowing.

Does it matter about the franchise or base movie? Partly but it isn`t the be-all. Look at Splash Mountain for example.

well it definitely is the be-all in the context of this poll and thread. I have no interest in the franchise and therefore have no interest in the new attractions. It doesn't mean I wont experience them one day and possibly change my mind on the attraction, but it seems like my answer of the fact that I'm more looking forward to the FL Forest is under scrutiny.

I do not think the entire franchise of HP will still have the immense popularity 20 years from now. I don't think anyone will look back at the film franchise like they do with the original SW Trilogy and say "wow, this was great stuff back then". And I don't think the book series will even be regarded as classic 20 years from now. I don't believe that many people will have the thought "I must have and save all of these books so 20 years from now when my kids are 10 or 11, they can read these books for themselves" Atleast not to the level where people treasure Cinderella or Snow White or the original animated shorts to save for their kids. Maybe the only think HP that will still be around will be this HP playset land at Uni.

I for one bought up as many of the Walt Disney Treasures sets as I could and i can't wait to share the Mickey and Donald Duck cartoons with by kids.

Again, just my opinion. i'm sure the people who got hooked on the franchise have a different opinion, but I never caught on with the appeal.

 

[marni1971]

I do not think the entire franchise of HP will still have the immense popularity 20 years from now.

Either way, does it matter? The point I was making with SotS is not many people know about the film, but the ride is extremely popular.

 

[SirGoofy]

I do not think the entire franchise of HP will still have the immense popularity 20 years from now. I don't think anyone will look back at the film franchise like they do with the original SW Trilogy and say "wow, this was great stuff back then". And I don't think the book series will even be regarded as classic 20 years from now. I don't believe that many people will have the thought "I must have and save all of these books so 20 years from now when my kids are 10 or 11, they can read these books for themselves" Atleast not to the level where people treasure Cinderella or Snow White or the original animated shorts to save for their kids. Maybe the only think HP that will still be around will be this HP playset land at Uni.

I know school systems where I'm from having been using the books in grade school literature classes already. I doubt the books will be forgotten.

 

[Figment632]

I know school systems where I'm from having been using the books in grade school literature classes already. I doubt the books will be forgotten.

Agreed. HP like it or not is one of those books that only comes around every 50 to 100 years. It has surpassed just being a popular book series and is not a fad like Twilight it is part of the culture.

 

[GizmoDuck]

Harry Potter as a franchise is okay in my book, but his addition to IOA looks quite spectacular. It will absolutely do Uni wonders in the SHORT RUN. As for long term, I don't know if this was the best investment.

I don't know how long the franchise as a whole will stay prevalent in everybody's minds. It's not looking too likely right now that Uni has a timeless classic franchise on their hands.

The books are over, the film series is just about complete. I give it 10-15 years before the franchise becomes nearly forgotten by the younger generation.

While I will get flamed for this inevitably, I do not believe that Harry Potter has the franchise value of Star Wars, or other classic media phenomenons.

Many of Universal's properties are losing touch with the newer generations. They had to ditch the Hannah-Barbara attraction, Dudley Doo-Right and Popeye are basically lost on the newer generations as well. Heck, even Jurassic Park has failed to capture new audiences.

Being that they just lost Marvel, IOA could potentially be in franchise shambles come 10-15 years from now. I don't think HP was the best choice for the long run.

Harry Potter, while it made a big impact for its time, will eventually be forgotten. It lacks classic appeal.


...now after all that doubt, the signature attraction at WWoHP looks like a potential game changer :lol:

 

[xdan0920]

I know school systems where I'm from having been using the books in grade school literature classes already. I doubt the books will be forgotten.

You are absolutely right. There is literally no chance these books will be forgotten. The 7 book collector set sold like crazy, mostly to people who already owned all 7 books, but wanted a nice complete set to pass down to their children and grand children. The movies were extremely well reviewed and received, so I do not see them fading away either. In fact Harry Potters popularity will in all likelihood exceed USF's life.

 

[GizmoDuck]

I know school systems where I'm from having been using the books in grade school literature classes already. I doubt the books will be forgotten.

Maybe not forgotten completely, but it will not be anywhere as popular as what it's land merits it today.

 

[SirGoofy]

Maybe not forgotten completely, but it will not be anywhere as popular as what it's land merits it today.

Obviously it will never be as popular as it is now. To think that would be ludicrous. But it will be viewed as a classic, and will stand the test of time. While it may not be a revolution like it is now, kids will know who Harry Potter is, and I'm willing to be they'll enjoy his stories a whole heck of a lot.

 

[GizmoDuck]

Obviously it will never be as popular as it is now. To think that would be ludicrous. But it will be viewed as a classic, and will stand the test of time. While it may not be a revolution like it is now, kids will know who Harry Potter is, and I'm willing to be they'll enjoy his stories a whole heck of a lot.

Enough to plan vacations around though?

Think about Disney's investments in Jules Verne. His stories of adventure and excitement brought us the original 20k and now the entire MI at TDS. While many may not know Verne's stories, his tales still convert into great standalone attractions.

Can the same be said for HP? Or will it be another unrecognizable stale franchise?

Only time can tell, but I just can't see HP drawing crowds decades from now

 

[Lee]

like the 2 towers outside of MIB that look nothing like the Towers from the movie?

Look pretty good to me...

Not to mention that the ride in there is so far superior to it's counterpart, Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin.

Anyhow....theming at Uni....I'm a fan.
Jurassic Park is beautiful. Mythos is superior in both design and menu to any WDW restaurant. Lost Continent is amazing looking. WWoHP...stunning.

 

[SirGoofy]

Enough to plan vacations around though?

Think about Disney's investments in Jules Verne. His stories of adventure and excitement brought us the original 20k and now the entire MI at TDS. While many may not know Verne's stories, his tales still convert into great standalone attractions.

Can the same be said for HP? Or will it be another unrecognizable stale franchise?

Only time can tell, but I just can't see HP drawing crowds decades from now

Personally, I think anyone is nuts for planning a vacation around one specific attraction unless it's new.

I doubt people will be planning trips around the new Fantasyland in decades either, so IMO I see your argument as moot.

Besides, as Martin said earlier in the thread, it really doesn't matter what an attraction is about, as long as it's world class, which HPatFJ will be. A world class attraction will draw people in no matter what.

 

[GizmoDuck]

Personally, I think anyone is nuts for planning a vacation around one specific attraction unless it's new.

I doubt people will be planning trips around the new Fantasyland in decades either, so IMO I see your argument as moot.

Besides, as Martin said earlier in the thread, it really doesn't matter what an attraction is about, as long as it's world class, which HPatFJ will be. A world class attraction will draw people in no matter what.

Maybe it was unclear in my original post, but I picked WWoP over FL :wave:

And I agree that a world-class attraction will draw (at first anyway), regardless of its theme. You could have a roller-coaster themed to the Holocaust and if it's big, fast, and has a few loops, I'm sure people are going to ride :lol:

What I was trying to say though is, as an entire land, I don't know if HP was the best investment in the long run

 

[SirGoofy]

Maybe it was unclear in my original post, but I picked WWoP over FL :wave:

No, I understood. I'm just saying that Disney may be doing the same thing by theming basically an entire land around a hot franchise right now. Who knows if the princess will be as popular as they are now 20 years down the road.

While they are timeless characters, they were no where near as big as they are now 10-15 years ago.

What I was trying to say though is, as an entire land, I don't know if HP was the best investment in the long run

We'll see. I believe it won't be a problem, as the other lands in IoA are all fairly relevant franchises, although the toons in Toon Lagoon really need more screen time on TV.

 

[GizmoDuck]

No, I understood. I'm just saying that Disney may be doing the same thing by theming basically an entire land around a hot franchise right now. Who knows if the princess will be as popular as they are now 20 years down the road.

While they are timeless characters, they were no where near as big as they are now 10-15 years ago.

It seems that Disney wants to make princess culture a staple of female childhood. Much like every (almost) toddler grows up with a Winnie the Pooh plush, or how young boys will always have their Star Wars.

While you're definitely correct in saying who knows what the future holds, I personally believe that the princess marketing strategy is built on much firmer ground than HP.

We'll see. I believe it won't be a problem, as the other lands in IoA are all fairly relevant franchises, although the toons in Toon Lagoon really need more screen time on TV.

Remember their short lived movie remakes back in the late 90's-early 2000's? :zipit:

Well regardless of what the future may bring, I know we'll both be making our way to IOA in the very near distant future :lol:

 

[SirGoofy]

It seems that Disney wants to make princess culture a staple of female childhood. Much like every (almost) toddler grows up with a Winnie the Pooh plush, or how young boys will always have their Star Wars.

While you're definitely correct in saying who knows what the future holds, I personally believe that the princess marketing strategy is built on much firmer ground than HP.

I actually like how you bring up Pooh, as it's a franchise that was huge for Disney in the 90s that seems has fell off in the states.

But we shall see.:lol:

Well regardless of what the future may bring, I know we'll both be making our way to IOA in the very near distant future :lol:

I plan on getting a season pass this summer.

 

[DisneyNut2007]

Every single person has to realize that WDW is in complete reaction mode to WWoHP. When it was first rumored, WDW should have put the wheels in motion. Now that WWoHP is opening, WDW decided to "expanded" Fantasyland. Unless they are going to make it extremely elaborate for each of the Princesses, it is most likely going to be dull in comparison. In order for there to be a comparison, each Princess portion would need a castle or area as elaborate as Cinderella's Castle. We know that is not going to happen.

I'm sorry, I just think WDW is dropping the ball from a comparison sake. Will WWoHP impact WDW? No. Will WWoHP show up WDW? Most definitely.

WDW is severely lacking from a theme park perspective. The primary themes are Pirates, Princesses, and flavor of the month video release. I do love going to WDW. However, the only WOW Factor is in my DD's eyes. From an adult male perspective, my view of WDW is "Oooo, only 10% of the park has changed since it opened almost 40 years ago!"

Sorry, buddy, but you are wrong in every way.

BTW, I voted for the Fantasyland Expansion, which does not deserve the bashing that it has gotten from certain people who I won't mention.

 

[Bairstow]

Is it really that important that a property a themed area is based on remain popular with the public?
Some of the most fun attractions and areas are those based on their own unique mythology and character set. Just think about Imagination or Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean. When did it become a rule that you have to base every major project on a successful and CURRENT franchise?

My first exposure to 20,000 leagues under the sea was through the Disney ride. At that point, the film was nearly half a century old!

The writing was intelligent though- you don't have to know a thing about the Nautilus or Captain Nemo prior to the ride- the preshow and attraction itself tells you everything you need to know about that story to enjoy the attraction.

This is a moot point. If you don't think kids are still going to be reading the Harry Potter books and watching the movies in 20 years you're crazy.

Indiana Jones will (and is) fading from the public consciousness much faster than Potter will.

 

[SirGoofy]

Indiana Jones will (and is) fading from the public consciousness much faster than Potter will.

Ehhhh...I don't agree it's fading quickly. The forth movie really gave life to the franchise(whether it was good or bad is another story). After its release I saw a ton of little kids as Indy for Halloween.:shrug:

 

[krankenstein]

I was actually surprised by the poll results. I guess I underestimated this forum or the DoM's are on vacation.


Not even close. While the Dueling Dragons Castle is gonna be more Hogwarts-like in look and feel, it's a completely separate entity.

Forbidden Journey is housed in a gigantic showbuilding behind the NEW Hogwarts Castle/cliff facade. There will be a fully immersive queue meant to replicate the inside of Hogwarts Castle. Guests will walk through full scale replicas of the Defense the Dark Arts Class Room, the Great Hall, Corridors, The Room of Requirement, Gryffindor Common Room, Dumbledore's Office, etc. The Chamber of Secrets complete with Basilisk AA will be in the ride itself. The queue itself > Princess M&G land.


Don't get too excited about this. I don't think Magiquest is coming...at least at the outset. Ollivanders should still be awesome though. Many great actors who I know will be working there:xmas:




EpcotExplorer: I don't really understand your position on this. I think we can all say we love Disney, but my love for WDW/Disney Brand doesn't take away from the fact that I also love Harry Potter and this addition looks nothing short of amazing. It's okay to love both. Going to Universal isn't like cheating on your lover. If I didn't see your user name, I'd say you were someone else.

I think the motor that was spotted as being attached to the Hogsmeade sign gives me reason to believe it might be coming sooner than some people think.

 

[Bairstow]

Ehhhh...I don't agree it's fading quickly. The forth movie really gave life to the franchise(whether it was good or bad is another story). After its release I saw a ton of little kids as Indy for Halloween.:shrug:

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