Really? What kind of hints?
That guy who said he knew who Batman was Bruce Wayne. His name is Mister Reese. Mysteries. I'm thinking he will be the Riddler.
Anyone else think that?
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That guy who said he knew who Batman was Bruce Wayne. His name is Mister Reese. Mysteries. I'm thinking he will be the Riddler.
Anyone else think that?
Timmay
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Only problem is the Riddler's name is Edward Nigma.
WDWFREAK53
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I'm going with Green Lantern on this one. Because his name is Edward Nygma doesn't mean he wouldn't throw out a "clue" like that.
Also, when he was telling Lucious about his suit...he wanted to make sure it would handle a dog bite...and Lucious said, "It'll work against cats." Catwoman?
Timmay
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Oh, I don't doubt the Riddler could be next, I just don't think it will be Reese.
A story with Catwomwn would seem much more interesting...but who knows.:shrug:
SeaBreeze
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Well, they tend to have two villains in the movies so it's possible both could be on deck if they make another one. I don't particularly think Reese is The Riddler either; if that was their intention, I feel like they would have cast a more familiar face in that role. Not that they can't just recast it...
It's true that Riddler's name is Nigma, but they could change it. Perhaps Nolan wants to recreate that character? Not sure. It was easier to know what our next villain would be at the end of Begins due to the card.
Catwoman would be interesting to see how they go about portraying the character. Would they make her a criminal? What would be her motive? The love interest? Also, where would Riddler, if he is in it, fit into the film?
Lots of great speculation ahead of us.
I'd really like to see a good version of Mad Hatter used. To keep in feel with the universe they have created I would want to see a character who is obsessef with the Alice in Wonderland story, but also a man who is crazy. It would be a difficult character to create, but I think if done properly it could be interesting. I wouldn't go for the mind control angle though with the character.
Catwoman would be interesting to see how they go about portraying the character. Would they make her a criminal? What would be her motive? The love interest? Also, where would Riddler, if he is in it, fit into the film?
Lots of great speculation ahead of us.
I'd really like to see a good version of Mad Hatter used. To keep in feel with the universe they have created I would want to see a character who is obsessef with the Alice in Wonderland story, but also a man who is crazy. It would be a difficult character to create, but I think if done properly it could be interesting. I wouldn't go for the mind control angle though with the character.
WDWFREAK53
Well-Known Member
I like how the Batman villains aren't "super-villains" but just psychos.
Wilt Dasney
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I was thinking about this a couple days ago...how the Batman Rogues Gallery is generally regarded as the best assortment of villains, even though so few of them have any "powers" to speak of.
In the end, I think that's what makes them more interesting...the fact that they're compelled to take on these outlandish personalities just out of twisted minds makes for better characters than the bad guy who suffers a freak accident, gains new abilities and decides to put on a suit.
This is a good point. Batman does have the best rogues.
Timmay
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A couple of thoughts on the future.
I think Nolan will stay away from the villains that are totally “nuts”. I don’t think it is worth trying to top Joker. I think we head in a different direction. I think using Catwoman to be both a love interest (to be perfectly honest, Selina has been the only one Bruce was ever really in love with) and a person that calls into question whether Batman is really helping Gotham by breaking the law. Batman has always struggled with this dilemma, and Catwoman is just the one to drive it home.
Catwoman also makes sense because, just like the Joker, she is a character that doesn’t need a lot of back story…she is who she is. Batman has always been interested in knowing more about what makes her tick, but he never gets a straight answer. She is a mystery.
Anyway, The Dark Knight was heavily influenced by The Long Halloween. If we see another movie, the last probably, I think we are going to see a movie influenced by Dark Victory. I think this would be a great time to introduce Richard (classic...it blocked the other name)Grayson. We don’t need to see him as Robin…just introduce him. The story would be great if Batman struggles with who he really is…Bats or Bruce? He has to come to the realization he is Batman and that Bruce is the person he pretends to be. End the movie, and the series, with Batman getting back into the cave and Wayne manor, bringing grayson on board, and that’s it. We all know what happens after that.
I think Nolan will stay away from the villains that are totally “nuts”. I don’t think it is worth trying to top Joker. I think we head in a different direction. I think using Catwoman to be both a love interest (to be perfectly honest, Selina has been the only one Bruce was ever really in love with) and a person that calls into question whether Batman is really helping Gotham by breaking the law. Batman has always struggled with this dilemma, and Catwoman is just the one to drive it home.
Catwoman also makes sense because, just like the Joker, she is a character that doesn’t need a lot of back story…she is who she is. Batman has always been interested in knowing more about what makes her tick, but he never gets a straight answer. She is a mystery.
Anyway, The Dark Knight was heavily influenced by The Long Halloween. If we see another movie, the last probably, I think we are going to see a movie influenced by Dark Victory. I think this would be a great time to introduce Richard (classic...it blocked the other name)Grayson. We don’t need to see him as Robin…just introduce him. The story would be great if Batman struggles with who he really is…Bats or Bruce? He has to come to the realization he is Batman and that Bruce is the person he pretends to be. End the movie, and the series, with Batman getting back into the cave and Wayne manor, bringing grayson on board, and that’s it. We all know what happens after that.
I'm all for Robin being introduced into the series. Long Halloween is an excellent graphic novel, as is the sequel, Dark Victory. However, Christian Bale has said recently he hopes they never put Robin in the series.
I like the thought of Catwoman. I wonder what costume look they would use. Would they go full suit like Batman or sort of traditional like Ra's, Scarecrow and Joker? Take what they are and what they are based off of and twist it to something that works for the film?
I like the thought of Catwoman. I wonder what costume look they would use. Would they go full suit like Batman or sort of traditional like Ra's, Scarecrow and Joker? Take what they are and what they are based off of and twist it to something that works for the film?
Wilt Dasney
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Anybody else pick up on the White Knight/Dark Knight corrolary between Harvey and Batman? I thought that was a good way to give the Dark Knight theme some deeper meaning. Without the exploration of what Harvey Dent (or the idea of him, anyway) meant to the city, Gordon's little speech at the end about Batman being a "dark knight" would have just been over-the-top cornball, but in context, it works.
Wilt Dasney
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I'd be OK with the suggestion to bring in (Richard)
Grayson and show the conflict as he tries to get Bruce to let him "in the club" and Bruce has to struggle with that decision...whether he can allow a young kid to put his life on the line, whether he has the right to say no when the kid is motivated by the same things he is, etc. And like Timmay said, just kinda leave it at that without breaking out the Robin suit. I don't really have any desire to see Bird-Boy swinging through the city, and I can't imagine how that would work in the environment these movies have created. (I honestly thought Robin looked totally out of place in Dark Victory and was glad they waited until the final pages to really break out the character, spending most of the time just developing Grayson.)
Just having him in the series but not become Robin does sound like a good idea. It would be great to see Richard Grayson on the big screen again. I like the idea of Bruce adopting Richard and looking after him.
Wilt Dasney
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Timmay
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LOL...you know what is funny? Just last night I was talking to my wife about Catwoman and she asked who I would want to play her.
I didn't even have to think...Kate Beckinsale.
SeaBreeze
New Member
I'm probably in the minority but I agree with Bale's sentiments regarding Robin: I hope they leave him out of this series.
As for who should play Catwoman if they go that direction, I can't even begin to guess. I'd have never cast Heath Ledger as The Joker and he turned out to be perfect so that goes to show how well I can guess these things :lol:
As for who should play Catwoman if they go that direction, I can't even begin to guess. I'd have never cast Heath Ledger as The Joker and he turned out to be perfect so that goes to show how well I can guess these things :lol:
Timmay
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Bale almost contradicts himself, though. He has said many times that Dark Victory is his favorite Batman story, and Robin is introduced in that story.
Anyway...I got to thinking pretty deep in the last few minutes. Not only has Nolan upped the ante as far as Batman movies go...he has done the same with the comics as well. Tell me Grant Morrison isn't going to try and take the Joker to a new level during his current Batman run. Or how about Jeff Loeb, Alan Moore or Frank Miller? They are probably all thinking "Yeah, that was a cool Batman film...but watch this!!"
Anyway...I got to thinking pretty deep in the last few minutes. Not only has Nolan upped the ante as far as Batman movies go...he has done the same with the comics as well. Tell me Grant Morrison isn't going to try and take the Joker to a new level during his current Batman run. Or how about Jeff Loeb, Alan Moore or Frank Miller? They are probably all thinking "Yeah, that was a cool Batman film...but watch this!!"
Wilt Dasney
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It wouldn't be the first time a solid take on a character influenced the comics. As I recall, they basically gave Mr. Freeze a total makeover in the books to match the kickass animated version.
One thing I like about Ledger's character is you could actually imagine this guy walking around. As good as Jack Nicholson's and Mark Hamill's takes were, they were still too clownish to imagine in reality. (Hamill's WAS a cartoon, of course.) So that might be Ledger's impact on the books, a more "realistic" Joker.