SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[Vicarious Fan]

Its ok MisterPenguin, it happens…
I liked Xanadu back in the day with Olivia Newton John.
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but how did you know that is what you wanted before you saw it? I seem to remember you saying that studios should give the audience what they want. Who was crying out for Xanadu?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Its ok MisterPenguin, it happens…
I liked Xanadu back in the day with Olivia Newton John.
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I liked it, too!

Then I got to watch it again decades later and I'm thinking, "God, this is awful"... except for the musical numbers. Same with Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang.

We really need a SW musical.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Positive and negative hype both contribute to bringing eyeballs to the show, but ultimately, it’s up to the show to prove itself. With 5 episodes left in The Acolyte, there’s no doubt they will be the best episodes of the show. Viewer numbers are the key indicator of success. To truly establish itself, The Acolyte needs to surpass the viewer numbers of Ahsoka. In the end, it’s the quality of the content and how well it resonates with the audience that will determine the show’s lasting impact and success.

Ahsoka Viewership Summary

1. Finale Viewership: 863,000 U.S. households watched the “Ahsoka” finale within its first six days of availability on Disney+ .
2. Premiere Performance:
• Ahsoka: Achieved 1.2 million U.S. households and 14 million total views in the first five days .
• The Acolyte: Recorded 4.8 million views on the first day and 11.1 million views within the first five days .
3. Comparison with Other Series:
• “Obi-Wan Kenobi” Finale: 1.8 million U.S. households .
• “The Mandalorian” Season 3 Finale: 1.4 million U.S. households .
• “Andor” Season 1 Finale: 591,000 U.S. households .

Again, the article isn’t about differing opinions.

It’s specifically calling out bigots who attack anything with the tiniest amount of diversity.

It bleeds into everything and stops genuine discussion of likes, dislikes, and everything in between.

 

[erasure fan1]

It's not lumping all fans who simply don't like the show into any bucket.

It's very specific about the type of people it's calling out.

The title of the article is " The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are" and the opening line is "No one hates Star Wars more than those who claim to be Star Wars fans." That's not a great way to say that there's a vocal minority of people out to get Disney.

They even admit the sequels fractured the fans. And the shows have been mixed at best and criticism is inevitable. So they admit star wars has been a mixed bag under Disney. So why is it so shocking it's getting less than stellar reviews so far?

I get what the article is trying to say. But they are framing it for clicks the same way the haters frame their stuff. The only thing that they were concerned about was makings it seem like the star wars fan base in general is extraordinarily toxic. Because that gets clicks, especially with a franchise like star wars.

If everyone is so concerned about a group on Twitter and YouTube, who represent a very small percentage of the fan base. Why not stop giving them what they want. Publicity. Ever notice that you never see the idiots who run out on the field during a sporting event? They just don't show it and talk about it as to not give them what they want. The exposure. Therefore lessening the motivation to do it.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

Again, the article isn’t about differing opinions.

It’s specifically calling out bigots who attack anything with the tiniest amount of diversity.

It bleeds into everything and stops genuine discussion of likes, dislikes, and everything in between.

These same fans played the last of us on PlayStation anmd enjoyed the tv show?

 

[Willmark]

The title of the article is " The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are" and the opening line is "No one hates Star Wars more than those who claim to be Star Wars fans." That's not a great way to say that there's a vocal minority of people out to get Disney.

They even admit the sequels fractured the fans. And the shows have been mixed at best and criticism is inevitable. So they admit star wars has been a mixed bag under Disney. So why is it so shocking it's getting less than stellar reviews so far?

I get what the article is trying to say. But they are framing it for clicks the same way the haters frame their stuff. The only thing that they were concerned about was makings it seem like the star wars fan base in general is extraordinarily toxic. Because that gets clicks, especially with a franchise like star wars.

If everyone is so concerned about a group on Twitter and YouTube, who represent a very small percentage of the fan base. Why not stop giving them what they want. Publicity. Ever notice that you never see the idiots who run out on the field during a sporting event? They just don't show it and talk about it as to not give them what they want. The exposure. Therefore lessening the motivation to do it.

Hard to like this post enough.

The “defenders” of SW: “you’re ruining Star Wars!”

Really?

I wasn’t aware that I was secretly somehow involved in the production of their current wares?

 

[erasure fan1]

Well clearly that's more then enough views for Disney and they consider them all a success since all of those shows are getting more seasons. If they were failures we knew Disney would have put them out to pasture like Willow.

Let's be real. There is almost zero chance Disney would deep six a star wars show. It's a flagship property. They might not give something another season. But they aren't removing something from the service. It's all interconnected, they won't leave a big whole in the lore.

 

[Willmark]

then you are going to some really bad torrent sites

No idea, I’ve never visited a torrent site, bad or otherwise.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

A Simba TV.

Samba not Simba

First, you’re right that Samba TV doesn’t capture everyone—it only includes data from TVs with Samba software and users who have opted in. But this data still represents a significant sample size, with Samba TV gathering data from about 46 million TV devices globally, including around 28 million in the U.S. This is enough to provide statistically significant insights into broader viewing trends, much like political polling does even though it doesn’t survey every single person

How many of those people have the App turned on? Do you know how many? Because it's not a 46 million sample size. It's only a portion of the 46 millioin and we have no idea how many people that is. 46 million is the total number of TVs that are shipped with the app, NOT the total number of users. I'll have to find the article about it but yeah it's no where near as many as they claim.

Second, while it’s true that Disney and other streaming services don’t release all their viewership data, they do use metrics like those from Samba TV

no they don't.... why? Because they don't need to. The only way to watch it is through their app. Their app that you have to download and install that already keeps track of how many long someone is watching their shows, where they are, what they watch next etc etc. Samba is completely useless to Disney.

The reason they partnered with them is so they don't have to release their actual numbers to investors. They can just pick and choose Sambas numbers when they want.

Do you honestly think that Apps don't already do everything Samba does and more?

Samba TV’s data helps provide early insights that are valuable for these purposes

again Disney knows more then Samba ever could

Saying that tracking first-week viewing numbers is completely meaningless ignores their role in shaping initial marketing and promotional strategies

Marketing? You said several times that marketing can't help a show. You said viewers only watch what they like and don't fall for marketing.

Disney’s confidence in its shows, shown through renewals and physical releases, often starts with positive early viewership metrics

how do you square that with that data? Samba's data shows that Andor was one of if not the worst performing SW show. Yet it got a 4k and Bluray reelase ahead of more popular shows.

So, while Samba TV isn’t perfect and doesn’t cover every viewer, it still provides valuable early insights that help companies like Disney make informed decisions about their content. It’s not about having perfect data, but about using the best available data to navigate the market effectively.

again can you explain how it some how has better data then Disney has themselves?

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

So in this thread review scores don’t matter.

In the Inside Out 2 thread everyone is elated because of the good review scores.

I’m really excited to go see Inside Out 2 because it has GREAT reviews.

I don’t even know how that’s possible because the scores don’t matter !!!

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As I said, this part of the forum is a bit....quirky.

 

[Trauma]

These same fans played the last of us on PlayStation anmd enjoyed the tv show?View attachment 792023

Stop giving examples that don’t support the talking points.

Everything negative said about Star Wars is from
bigoted 34 year olds living in Moms basement.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

nevermind....

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

These same fans played the last of us on PlayStation anmd enjoyed the tv show?

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Heck, look more closely at The Last of Us. The third episode has a lower rating than most other episodes on IMDB.

Pretty sure there's a minority of people who ranked that episode lower for obvious reasons.

Of course, some will stick their heads in the sand, and deny or outright lie, and insist people just didn't like the episode as much from a strictly non-biased critical perspective.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

tell us what the fans want

George Lucas himself couldn't consistently make Star Wars movies that everyone loved.

The notion that anyone else can is absurd.

 

[DKampy]

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Heck, look more closely at The Last of Us. The third episode has a lower rating than most other episodes on IMDB.

Pretty sure there's a minority of people who ranked that episode lower for obvious reasons.

Of course, some will stick their heads in the sand, and deny or outright lie, and insist people just didn't like the episode as much from a strictly non-biased critical perspective.

Some of your usual suspects are actually complaining that the girl in Inside out 2 has a diverse set of friends…I mean these Forty-Fifty something men have no clue what high school is like today… it is certainly more diverse then the 80’s… Luckily these ideas will not gain any traction… as with everything that is successful they will drop it cause it does not support their narrative

 

[MagicMouseFan]

Samba not Simba



How many of those people have the App turned on? Do you know how many? Because it's not a 46 million sample size. It's only a portion of the 46 millioin and we have no idea how many people that is. 46 million is the total number of TVs that are shipped with the app, NOT the total number of users. I'll have to find the article about it but yeah it's no where near as many as they claim.


no they don't.... why? Because they don't need to. The only way to watch it is through their app. Their app that you have to download and install that already keeps track of how many long someone is watching their shows, where they are, what they watch next etc etc. Samba is completely useless to Disney.

The reason they partnered with them is so they don't have to release their actual numbers to investors. They can just pick and choose Sambas numbers when they want.

Do you honestly think that Apps don't already do everything Samba does and more?

again Disney knows more then Samba ever could

Marketing? You said several times that marketing can't help a show. You said viewers only watch what they like and don't fall for marketing.

how do you square that with that data? Samba's data shows that Andor was one of if not the worst performing SW show. Yet it got a 4k and Bluray reelase ahead of more popular shows.



again can you explain how it some how has better data then Disney has themselves?

1. That is correct approximately 46 million TV devices globally have opted into Samba TV’s data collection. This includes about 28 million devices in the United States. This opt-in data provides a significant sample size for analyzing broader viewing trends.
A sample this large can capture a wide variety of demographics and viewing behaviors, making it representative of the general population’s viewing habits.
Which is why Industry analysts and media companies, including Disney, use Samba TV’s data to gauge initial interest and compare shows. This trust indicates that the data is reliable enough for strategic decision-making.

FAQ

Learn more about how Samba TV measures viewership insights.

www.samba.tv

This is interesting… For Disney+, a view is counted when a user watches a title for at least two minutes. This standard is similar to what other major streaming platforms, like Netflix, use to define a view. This short duration is chosen to quickly measure interest and engagement with the content, even if viewers do not watch the entire show or movie.

2. Samba TV’s data correctly showed that Andor had lower viewership compared to other Star Wars shows. However, its 4K and Blu-ray release was driven by its appeal to an older, diehard collectible fan base. This demographic values high-quality physical media and is willing to pay $40 or more for these editions. Understanding the market’s preferences, Disney prioritized releasing Andor in these formats to cater to collectors who appreciate the show’s critical acclaim and are more likely to purchase premium editions.

DVD sales aren’t as significant as they used to be. They now cater to a niche market of die-hard fans, collectors, and those who seek additional content and special features.

In 2023 top DVD sales were:
1. The Super Mario Bros. Movie - over 1.03 million units sold
2. John Wick: Chapter 4 (600,000)
3. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - over 300,000 units sold

In 2007 top DVD sales:
1. Happy Feet (Warner Home Video) - 12.2 million units
2. Transformers (Paramount) - 9.5 million units
3. 300 (Warner Home Video) - 9 million units
4. Night at the Museum (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment) - 8.6 million units
5. The Departed (Warner Home Video) - 7.3 million units
6. Ratatouille (Disney/Buena Vista Home Video) - 6.6 million units
7. Casino Royale (Sony Pictures Home Entertainment) - 6.5 million units
8. Shrek the Third (Paramount Home Video) - 6.3 million units
9. Wild Hogs (Disney/Buena Vista Home Video) - 6.1 million units
10. The Pursuit of Happyness (Sony Pictures Home Entertainment) - 5.7 million units

 

[MagicMouseFan]

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Heck, look more closely at The Last of Us. The third episode has a lower rating than most other episodes on IMDB.

Pretty sure there's a minority of people who ranked that episode lower for obvious reasons.

Of course, some will stick their heads in the sand, and deny or outright lie, and insist people just didn't like the episode as much from a strictly non-biased critical perspective.

Well.. I thought last of us was a great series.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

I liked it, too!

Then I got to watch it again decades later and I'm thinking, "God, this is awful"... except for the musical numbers. Same with Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang.

We really need a SW musical.

I just looked it up…. Xanadu soundtrack went Double platinum in states. 5 million copies sold worldwide…. Wow!

***Disclaimer: MisterPenguin and I strongly advise against watching this show… Consider yourselves warned!

 

[Vicarious Fan]

A sample this large can capture a wide variety of demographics and viewing behaviors, making it representative of the general population’s viewing habits.
Which is why Industry analysts and media companies, including Disney, use Samba TV’s data to gauge initial interest and compare shows. This trust indicates that the data is reliable enough for strategic decision-making.

so again.... why do you think this is more accurate then the info Disney has? Disney literally knows the name of every account holder, what they watch, on what device and for how long.

Also the bigger issue is it sounds like 28 million tvs is a lot... except it's not. less then half of all streaming happens on a TV. As of Dec 2023 less then 40% of all people watching shows on streaming watch it on a TV.

So right off the bat the data is flawed. With that data the best you can say is an estimated X number of people watched the show on a TV.

Why are you dodging the question.

Why do you think Samaba has better data then Disney?

DVD sales aren’t as significant as they used to be. They now cater to a niche market of die-hard fans, collectors, and those who seek additional content and special features.

never suggested it was. The point is they wouldn't release them on DVD unless they knew it would make them money. Hence why no Willow DVD

 

[Trauma]

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Heck, look more closely at The Last of Us. The third episode has a lower rating than most other episodes on IMDB.

Pretty sure there's a minority of people who ranked that episode lower for obvious reasons.

Of course, some will stick their heads in the sand, and deny or outright lie, and insist people just didn't like the episode as much from a strictly non-biased critical perspective.

Plenty of shows have a diverse cast that are LOVED.

You keep referencing the article as is it was fact.

It’s just a bunch of nonsense written by an activist.

Since some diverse shows are universally loved and others hated, it would seem there is another factor in play here.

The quality of the show.

A diverse cast does not excuse a crappy show.

The show still sucks and people should be able to say so without being called racist.