SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

CinematicFusion

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As I see it this post is spot on… I was a huge Garfield fan as a kid and I would of been interested in the movie if it looked liked The Garfield of my younger days… but even from the trailers it does not look like the Garfield from my youth…. I am not searching out the Garfield forums so I can scream how the film destroyed my youth…. I just don’t watch the movie and move on
While Garfield holds a special place for many, its cultural impact differs significantly from larger franchises like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or Star Trek. These franchises have vast, deeply invested fanbases that often express strong opinions about new adaptations or changes. This engagement reflects their immense cultural significance and the emotional investment of their fans. While Garfield might not elicit the same intensity of reaction.
 

CinematicFusion

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SW is giving me what I want. Thanks for listening, LucasFilm and Disney!!
Its ok MisterPenguin, it happens…
I liked Xanadu back in the day with Olivia Newton John.
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DKampy

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While Garfield holds a special place for many, its cultural impact differs significantly from larger franchises like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or Star Trek. These franchises have vast, deeply invested fanbases that often express strong opinions about new adaptations or changes. This engagement reflects their immense cultural significance and the emotional investment of their fans. While Garfield might not elicit the same intensity of reaction.
Except all film is subjective….yes even Star Wars… if you think you created a better story in your head cannon… write a script and try to connect with Lucas film

The last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film outside of the original trilogy… except for the casino planet scenes… but that does not stop people from not understanding all film is subjected…as I have been told many times my opinion is wrong

Luke was a teenager in the original trilogy…. When we next meet him… he is in his 60’s… it is not tough to imagine he is not the same idealistic boy we met in the beginning… life experiences might create a more cynical Luke… I know I am not the same person as I was in the 80’s… he was flawed… we all are… it is what makes us human… I found it made a Luke a more complex character
 

CinematicFusion

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Except all film is subjective….yes even Star Wars… if you think you created a better story in your head cannon… write a script and try to connect with Lucas film

The last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film outside of the original trilogy… except for the casino planet scenes… but that does not stop people from not understanding all film is subjected…as I have been told many times my opinion is wrong

Luke was a teenager in the original trilogy…. When we next meet him… he is in his 60’s… it is not tough to imagine he is not the same idealistic boy we met in the beginning… life experiences might create a more cynical Luke… I know I am not the same person as I was in the 80’s… he was flawed… we all are… it is what makes us human… I found it made a Luke a more complex character
I didn’t say you aren’t entitled to your opinion that The Last Jedi is your favorite film. And of course, you accept that many others think The Last Jedi is pure garbage—everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

What we were discussing is how passionate Star Trek, LOTR, and Star Wars fans can be, while Garfield doesn’t even move the needle of emotional connection compared to those brands.
 
Disney has partnered with Samba TV for several years, leveraging its True Reach and Frequency measurement capabilities to understand and optimize audience engagement across various platforms. This collaboration reflects Disney’s trust in Samba TV’s data to measure and analyze viewership effectively.
gonna stop you right there.

first 100% those are not the actual numbers. SambaTV only can show viewership numbers for people that have a TV with Samaba on it, and with people who are using the App. So that doesn't include people who don't use Samba, or people who watch on their phone, tablet or computer. Which of course is a HUGE amount. Probably half the market there.

Second Disney would NEVER allow any of the viewership numbers to actually get released. Remember this was a HUGE part of the strikes last year. No streaming service wants the actual numbers to be released. Even if Disney puts out a press release with views I would be very skeptical.

Third and probably most importantly, how many people watched the first episode 2 weeks later? 3 weeks? How many people watched it once the series was complete? More and more people binge watch shows which is never taken into account with these things. We know this happens all the time and you bringing up Suits got more views years later on Netflix then it ever did when it was aired. This is the true power and importance of Streaming.

People who talk about how important a show is watched in the first week are well dinosaurs and don't understand how Streaming has impacted the entertainment industry.

The entire reason a show wanted to get huge viewership it's first broadcast is because of ad revenue. More eyeballs means more money. That isn't how streaming works because well... obviously no ads. Even those with Ads the money they make from a subscription is way more.

So the entire point of tracking viewing numbers for a shows first broadcast is competely meaningless.


Now let's take those numbers as 100% accurate and they never got any more views after they aired.

Well clearly that's more then enough views for Disney and they consider them all a success since all of those shows are getting more seasons. If they were failures we knew Disney would have put them out to pasture like Willow.

That's the true measure of a streaming shows success, weather or not it get's a second season, remains on streaming and more importantly if it gets a physical release. Disney has shown enough confidence in it's shows to released them not only in blu ray but also 4k.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Original Poster
Its ok MisterPenguin, it happens…
I liked Xanadu back in the day with Olivia Newton John.
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I liked it, too!

Then I got to watch it again decades later and I'm thinking, "God, this is awful"... except for the musical numbers. Same with Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang.

We really need a SW musical.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Positive and negative hype both contribute to bringing eyeballs to the show, but ultimately, it’s up to the show to prove itself. With 5 episodes left in The Acolyte, there’s no doubt they will be the best episodes of the show. Viewer numbers are the key indicator of success. To truly establish itself, The Acolyte needs to surpass the viewer numbers of Ahsoka. In the end, it’s the quality of the content and how well it resonates with the audience that will determine the show’s lasting impact and success.

Ahsoka Viewership Summary

1. Finale Viewership: 863,000 U.S. households watched the “Ahsoka” finale within its first six days of availability on Disney+ .
2. Premiere Performance:
• Ahsoka: Achieved 1.2 million U.S. households and 14 million total views in the first five days .
• The Acolyte: Recorded 4.8 million views on the first day and 11.1 million views within the first five days .
3. Comparison with Other Series:
• “Obi-Wan Kenobi” Finale: 1.8 million U.S. households .
• “The Mandalorian” Season 3 Finale: 1.4 million U.S. households .
• “Andor” Season 1 Finale: 591,000 U.S. households .
Again, the article isn’t about differing opinions.

It’s specifically calling out bigots who attack anything with the tiniest amount of diversity.

It bleeds into everything and stops genuine discussion of likes, dislikes, and everything in between.
 

CinematicFusion

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gonna stop you right there.

first 100% those are not the actual numbers. SambaTV only can show viewership numbers for people that have a TV with Samaba on it, and with people who are using the App. So that doesn't include people who don't use Samba, or people who watch on their phone, tablet or computer. Which of course is a HUGE amount. Probably half the market there.

Second Disney would NEVER allow any of the viewership numbers to actually get released. Remember this was a HUGE part of the strikes last year. No streaming service wants the actual numbers to be released. Even if Disney puts out a press release with views I would be very skeptical.

Third and probably most importantly, how many people watched the first episode 2 weeks later? 3 weeks? How many people watched it once the series was complete? More and more people binge watch shows which is never taken into account with these things. We know this happens all the time and you bringing up Suits got more views years later on Netflix then it ever did when it was aired. This is the true power and importance of Streaming.

People who talk about how important a show is watched in the first week are well dinosaurs and don't understand how Streaming has impacted the entertainment industry.

The entire reason a show wanted to get huge viewership it's first broadcast is because of ad revenue. More eyeballs means more money. That isn't how streaming works because well... obviously no ads. Even those with Ads the money they make from a subscription is way more.

So the entire point of tracking viewing numbers for a shows first broadcast is competely meaningless.


Now let's take those numbers as 100% accurate and they never got any more views after they aired.

Well clearly that's more then enough views for Disney and they consider them all a success since all of those shows are getting more seasons. If they were failures we knew Disney would have put them out to pasture like Willow.

That's the true measure of a streaming shows success, weather or not it get's a second season, remains on streaming and more importantly if it gets a physical release. Disney has shown enough confidence in its shows to released them not only in blu ray but also 4k.
Dont stop me but the 46 Million who own A Simba TV.

First, you’re right that Samba TV doesn’t capture everyone—it only includes data from TVs with Samba software and users who have opted in. But this data still represents a significant sample size, with Samba TV gathering data from about 46 million TV devices globally, including around 28 million in the U.S. This is enough to provide statistically significant insights into broader viewing trends, much like political polling does even though it doesn’t survey every single person


Second, while it’s true that Disney and other streaming services don’t release all their viewership data, they do use metrics like those from Samba TV for internal analysis and strategic decision-making. The strikes last year were indeed about transparency, but companies still selectively release data to highlight successes and shape public perception.

Third, you make a good point about binge-watching and long-term viewership. Initial viewership numbers don’t capture the full picture of a show’s success over time. However, these early metrics are still important—they generate buzz, drive promotions, and create word-of-mouth momentum that can significantly impact a show’s overall success. Samba TV’s data helps provide early insights that are valuable for these purposes

Saying that tracking first-week viewing numbers is completely meaningless ignores their role in shaping initial marketing and promotional strategies. These numbers are a piece of the puzzle, helping streaming services understand early reactions and plan future campaigns

while shows may gain more views over time, strong initial numbers can be crucial for ensuring a show’s continuation and additional seasons. Disney’s confidence in its shows, shown through renewals and physical releases, often starts with positive early viewership metrics

So, while Samba TV isn’t perfect and doesn’t cover every viewer, it still provides valuable early insights that help companies like Disney make informed decisions about their content. It’s not about having perfect data, but about using the best available data to navigate the market effectively.
 
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erasure fan1

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It's not lumping all fans who simply don't like the show into any bucket.

It's very specific about the type of people it's calling out.
The title of the article is " The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are" and the opening line is "No one hates Star Wars more than those who claim to be Star Wars fans." That's not a great way to say that there's a vocal minority of people out to get Disney.

They even admit the sequels fractured the fans. And the shows have been mixed at best and criticism is inevitable. So they admit star wars has been a mixed bag under Disney. So why is it so shocking it's getting less than stellar reviews so far?

I get what the article is trying to say. But they are framing it for clicks the same way the haters frame their stuff. The only thing that they were concerned about was makings it seem like the star wars fan base in general is extraordinarily toxic. Because that gets clicks, especially with a franchise like star wars.

If everyone is so concerned about a group on Twitter and YouTube, who represent a very small percentage of the fan base. Why not stop giving them what they want. Publicity. Ever notice that you never see the idiots who run out on the field during a sporting event? They just don't show it and talk about it as to not give them what they want. The exposure. Therefore lessening the motivation to do it.
 

CinematicFusion

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Again, the article isn’t about differing opinions.

It’s specifically calling out bigots who attack anything with the tiniest amount of diversity.

It bleeds into everything and stops genuine discussion of likes, dislikes, and everything in between.
These same fans played the last of us on PlayStation anmd enjoyed the tv show?
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Willmark

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The title of the article is " The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are" and the opening line is "No one hates Star Wars more than those who claim to be Star Wars fans." That's not a great way to say that there's a vocal minority of people out to get Disney.

They even admit the sequels fractured the fans. And the shows have been mixed at best and criticism is inevitable. So they admit star wars has been a mixed bag under Disney. So why is it so shocking it's getting less than stellar reviews so far?

I get what the article is trying to say. But they are framing it for clicks the same way the haters frame their stuff. The only thing that they were concerned about was makings it seem like the star wars fan base in general is extraordinarily toxic. Because that gets clicks, especially with a franchise like star wars.

If everyone is so concerned about a group on Twitter and YouTube, who represent a very small percentage of the fan base. Why not stop giving them what they want. Publicity. Ever notice that you never see the idiots who run out on the field during a sporting event? They just don't show it and talk about it as to not give them what they want. The exposure. Therefore lessening the motivation to do it.
Hard to like this post enough.

The “defenders” of SW: “you’re ruining Star Wars!”

Really?

I wasn’t aware that I was secretly somehow involved in the production of their current wares?
 

erasure fan1

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Well clearly that's more then enough views for Disney and they consider them all a success since all of those shows are getting more seasons. If they were failures we knew Disney would have put them out to pasture like Willow.
Let's be real. There is almost zero chance Disney would deep six a star wars show. It's a flagship property. They might not give something another season. But they aren't removing something from the service. It's all interconnected, they won't leave a big whole in the lore.
 
A Simba TV.
Samba not Simba

First, you’re right that Samba TV doesn’t capture everyone—it only includes data from TVs with Samba software and users who have opted in. But this data still represents a significant sample size, with Samba TV gathering data from about 46 million TV devices globally, including around 28 million in the U.S. This is enough to provide statistically significant insights into broader viewing trends, much like political polling does even though it doesn’t survey every single person

How many of those people have the App turned on? Do you know how many? Because it's not a 46 million sample size. It's only a portion of the 46 millioin and we have no idea how many people that is. 46 million is the total number of TVs that are shipped with the app, NOT the total number of users. I'll have to find the article about it but yeah it's no where near as many as they claim.
Second, while it’s true that Disney and other streaming services don’t release all their viewership data, they do use metrics like those from Samba TV

no they don't.... why? Because they don't need to. The only way to watch it is through their app. Their app that you have to download and install that already keeps track of how many long someone is watching their shows, where they are, what they watch next etc etc. Samba is completely useless to Disney.

The reason they partnered with them is so they don't have to release their actual numbers to investors. They can just pick and choose Sambas numbers when they want.

Do you honestly think that Apps don't already do everything Samba does and more?
Samba TV’s data helps provide early insights that are valuable for these purposes
again Disney knows more then Samba ever could
Saying that tracking first-week viewing numbers is completely meaningless ignores their role in shaping initial marketing and promotional strategies
Marketing? You said several times that marketing can't help a show. You said viewers only watch what they like and don't fall for marketing.
Disney’s confidence in its shows, shown through renewals and physical releases, often starts with positive early viewership metrics
how do you square that with that data? Samba's data shows that Andor was one of if not the worst performing SW show. Yet it got a 4k and Bluray reelase ahead of more popular shows.


So, while Samba TV isn’t perfect and doesn’t cover every viewer, it still provides valuable early insights that help companies like Disney make informed decisions about their content. It’s not about having perfect data, but about using the best available data to navigate the market effectively.
again can you explain how it some how has better data then Disney has themselves?
 

MickeyLuv'r

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So in this thread review scores don’t matter.

In the Inside Out 2 thread everyone is elated because of the good review scores.

I’m really excited to go see Inside Out 2 because it has GREAT reviews.

I don’t even know how that’s possible because the scores don’t matter !!!

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As I said, this part of the forum is a bit....quirky.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
These same fans played the last of us on PlayStation anmd enjoyed the tv show?

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Heck, look more closely at The Last of Us. The third episode has a lower rating than most other episodes on IMDB.

Pretty sure there's a minority of people who ranked that episode lower for obvious reasons.

Of course, some will stick their heads in the sand, and deny or outright lie, and insist people just didn't like the episode as much from a strictly non-biased critical perspective.
 

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