Than you haven't been listening to what I've been saying. I've always condemned the harassment. I've always said there is a group that hates Disney. Do I downplay it? I'd say yes. Because I don't believe it has as large of an effect as is made out. Some media, by the rules I've seen on here, shouldn't be successful. But they are and it's downplayed. but when it's not successful or taking heat, it's back to Twitter is killing star wars!
Except I'm not talking about the harassment issues in this case. I think we all, or hope we all, condemn that. If there are those here that don't condemn that, shame on them. But what we are talking about, or at least I was, is its affect on the viewership of content. And its the downplaying of that that I have an issue with. There is 100% a correlation between the review bombing and the lower viewership, of not only this show but other content out there. And that is 100% the goal of why the review bombing is happening. Because for some reason they think this is going to cause Disney/Lucas to change their mind on xyz or whatever their grievances are that week.
Why didn't people watch solo? White male lead, 3 hugely popular characters, big cameo at the end, great action sequences, compelling side characters. Yet it didn't resonate. Why isn't the hate mob blamed constantly for bringing it down? Same goes for rogue one on the other side. The mob hates diversity yet the most diverse film has the best track record from a huge amount of fans. It seems to only be a problem when people want to assign blame to something other than the creators.
I think there are a couple reasons including fans not ready to see their favorite character with a different actor play them so soon after the character died. Also if you look at the audience scores for Solo its at 63%, fairly in the middle, it wasn't really review bombed or at least not as heavily as other Star Wars content. To me this is about where this show would be if it wasn't review bombed.
Yes, they are doing it to bring down viewership numbers. And yes some people will make decisions based on these scores. But honestly, do you believe in your heart that it's enough to really bring down something like star wars? maybe I'm naive, but I just don't see it.
Yes I do, and is 100% of the reason why they are doing it. Now sometimes it succeed, and other times it doesn't, such as the case with Fallout.
There's a group here that constantly thows fans aren't happy unless it's a white male lead and is part of Skywalker Saga... And if you haven't said something like that, sorry. But I've heard it many times from the lucasfilm supporters, which I know you are part of. And that's fine that you are. That's why I said you guys.
Do I think that could be true, yes. But its not the only reasons why fans aren't happy. I've said for a long while now that the fandom isn't one monolithic thing, there is nuance in there. Some aren't happy because its not a continuation of the Skywalker Saga, some aren't happy because of what they perceive as being "woke" Star Wars, some aren't happy because of not legitimizing the EU and just going whole hog into those stories, some aren't happy because George sold LFL to Disney and will just hate everything, and a whole host of other reasons too numerous for us to talk about.
Here's where the big disconnect comes in. You can like what you like, I've said more times than I can remember, I like things that are considered bad. The difference is I'm not going to accuse people that they have some agenda because they don't agree with me. And that has been something that has happened with a whole group of posters on here.
Except I'm not doing that, so not sure why this is even brought up in a conversation with me. I have never once tried to label you or anyone as having an agenda. Maybe others have but that is not me. I give you the respect of not treating you like other posters here, and would hope you would give me the same.
I think what is happening is you're starting to confuse me with other posters and projecting your issues with them onto me.
The acolyte is getting hammered by the usual suspects. That should be no surprise to anyone. But there is a lot wrong with these first 3 episodes. Legitimate issues, not made up nonsense like, the twins have two moms, star wars can never recover! The 3rd episode wasn't great for me. Why? Because it did very little for the story overall. It would have worked so much better if it was part of the first episode. Or split between that and the 2nd. The threads not something you weild, 5 seconds later you're weilding it. The dramatic shot to show a completely stone fortress, only to have it burn down from a book being lit on fire? It goes on and on. You're just going to hand some random kid your lightsaber in a room willed with darkside witches? These are valid complaints, not just Mae and Osha are poc so star wars sucks!
I don't see the same issues as you do, but that is ok.
Oh and by the way, has no one thought that a fortress made of stone can burn because its not just fire but fire that has been set ablaze by the dark side magic (or thread or whatever you want to call it) which would make it hotter than normal fire. Not to mention there is real world documented evidence of fire damaging stone structures in real life.
We'll have to disagree on this one. Just a glance at both echo and fallouts imdb page tell a different story. Take the main cast of Echo. In the top cast you have all indigenous and a few white people in the top 25 or so. In fallout you have a much broader diversity set. Sure there's more white people as you say, but isn't the goal more representation? Fallout has at least 6 distinct diverse groups including transgender. Last I checked 6 is more than 2. So maybe our definition or what qualifies as diversity is different. But I'd say both shows are very diverse and are more than ok to compare. So it will have to be an agree to disagree on this one.
Yes we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, and I have no problem with that.
Sorry I thought I quoted ths too. I remember the first info we received on fallout. I follow it fairly close because I'm a big gan of the series. Yes,with the first info that came out, you had a group of people hating on the fact that it was a female lead. Surprise surprise, a shock to no one. That died down pretty quick once we got the full trailer. Fans saw how well they nailed the vibe. then after the first episode, people were hooked. It's why I've said how important the first couple episodes are.
The reason I don't think it's a great rebuttal to what I've been saving, is that it doesn't hold up. If there's a group hell bent on destroying properties that star woman, minorities... And as you say, they tried with fallout, but they failed massively. The shows quality won out in the end. That's why I don't think it has the impact that some think.
Except this was happening after the show debuted. If you go look at the date of the IMDB community post I provided it was dated just after the show debuted. If it had "died down" as you said after the first trailer then there wouldn't have been a warning or a need to stop all reviews which was done on both RT and IMDB.
Now with that said, you could be right that the shows quality won out in the end. But that does not preclude that there was an effort to review bomb the show once it debuted. The major difference here being that that Star Wars fandom is larger and more motivated to see content review bombed into oblivion to affect viewership.
