SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[Disney Irish]

No you missed what I said. The problem was what the show was. It was new characters in a new timeframe, coming from a medium that most didn't care about. I said even if it was pretty good it wasn't a guarantee of a second season at that price per episode. The difference with Andor is it's related to arguably the most well liked of all Disney star wars. It's getting a bit of a benefit of the doubt. Remember it was supposed be something like 5 seasons. I'm sure if it did better from a viewership standpoint it gets more seasons. But I see why it's stopping at 2.

Sure no one was getting heartburn, but it was talked about. It was a very high budget because of the location shooting and the practical sets. And I'll say it, with a better more reasonable budget, we probably do get 4 or 5 seasons of Andor. And that's why what I'm saying matters. For people like myself, who were really looking forward to more Andor, we get the short end of it. Same goes for Acolyte. For people who were looking forward to see where it goes, to bad for you.

No I got what you said, I was just pointing out that a huge budget doesn't preclude one from getting a second or more seasons. Heck look at the LOTR series, almost double what all of these D+ series cost, and everyone hated it but still got a second season and now working on a third and rumored to be getting up to five seasons. By the time that series finishes Amazon will have spent almost $2.5B (maybe more) with a B on the budget, on a streaming series, a single series. They could have paid Peter Jackson and he could have done the entire thing for like a third of that.

The point is, and I brought it up before, these streaming shows aren't traditional TV shows, they are episodic movies. So the budgets are outrageous, and I agree too high, for a normal TV show. But when considering they are just a movie split up into episodes it makes sense why they end up costing so much.

But make no mistake, as I know you and others assume I'm for these large budgets, I assure you I'm not. I think they are too high, just as I think the movie budgets are too high. But I just think that many including yourself won't like the result if they go back and try to do these series using a traditional TV budget.

 

[BrianLo]

I think we do. We have the other shows to compare to. Andor was, as far as we know was the most expensive show at around 20mil per episode. If that's the benchmark, acolyte should have been around 160mil at worst. It really should have shot for a Mando type budget, and that's about 120mil.

Shogun was 25 million (or 250 for all 10). But I agree, you can clearly see the money, as you can in Andor.

I have personally no problem with them occasionally spending big on tentpoles, in fact they should. These services still need Shoguns and Andors and Game of Thrones. But this was the wrong one and seemed to even blow passed those level. I can't really see where all the money went either, it wasn't Shogun/Andor. I actually expect more sweeping vistas and larger physical sets when we hit these figures.

Arguably things should be reversed, they should have been upping Mandalorian progressively and started Acolyte more restricted.

 

[erasure fan1]

But I agree, you can clearly see the money, as you can in Andor.

Exactly. Andor you can tell was expensive. And it's part of the movie that's generally considered the best of Disney star wars. So yea, it's getting to wrap things up. But let's not pretend it's getting some a great approval from Disney. They're still cutting 3 seasons that we know.

I have personally no problem with them occasionally spending big on tentpoles, in fact they should. These services still need Shoguns and Andors and Game of Thrones. But this was the wrong one and seemed to even blow passed those level.

I don't either. I just think this was the wrong project to have that kind of spend. There's an expectation that comes along with the most expensive star wars shows made. Heck, one of the most expensive shows in general. And obviously it missed that expectation by a lot. I agree that Mando should have been that tent pole show. But since the movies have been non-existent, they're fast tracking Mando to the big leagues.

I can't really see where all the money went either, it wasn't Shogun/Andor. I actually expect more sweeping vistas and larger physical sets when we hit these figures.

No one can, that's one of the issues. I personally can't see where the money went. It had some good fight choreography and some good effects scenes. But nothing that would warrant that much money. There weren't any big name actors, so what happened? If I'd guess, and it's just that, a guess. I'd say based on how the show turned out, they spent a ton of extra cash trying to make it all just work.

 

[Phroobar]

Exactly. Andor you can tell was expensive. And it's part of the movie that's generally considered the best of Disney star wars. So yea, it's getting to wrap things up. But let's not pretend it's getting some a great approval from Disney. They're still cutting 3 seasons that we know.

I don't either. I just think this was the wrong project to have that kind of spend. There's an expectation that comes along with the most expensive star wars shows made. Heck, one of the most expensive shows in general. And obviously it missed that expectation by a lot. I agree that Mando should have been that tent pole show. But since the movies have been non-existent, they're fast tracking Mando to the big leagues.

No one can, that's one of the issues. I personally can't see where the money went. It had some good fight choreography and some good effects scenes. But nothing that would warrant that much money. There weren't any big name actors, so what happened? If I'd guess, and it's just that, a guess. I'd say based on how the show turned out, they spent a ton of extra cash trying to make it all just work.

There must have been a lot of reshoots and editing and we still ended up with incoherent mess. They should have just stopped and started from scratch with experienced script writers. Someone was given a blank check.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney Executive Reveals Why ‘The Acolyte’ Was Canceled After One Season: ‘It Wasn’t Where We Needed it to Be Given the Cost’

While the Disney was pleased with how "The Acolyte" performed in its single season, it wasn't enough to justify a follow-up considering the price tag.

variety.com

 

[erasure fan1]

I know Disney is going to spin it positive, but that just makes them look stupid in my opinion.

"we were happy with our performance, but it wasn’t where we needed it to be given the cost structure of that title"

If you were actually happy with the show but it cost too much, you fix the budget, not cancel it. It was cancelled because it was an overall bad show, and they know it. Add in the budget and it was dead in the water. And realistically, there was no reason for a budget that big anyway. It didn't reflect in the quality of the show so what did the money go to anyway? This show could have easily been made with an average budget.

 

[TsWade2]

I know Disney is going to spin it positive, but that just makes them look stupid in my opinion.

"we were happy with our performance, but it wasn’t where we needed it to be given the cost structure of that title"

If you were actually happy with the show but it cost too much, you fix the budget, not cancel it. It was cancelled because it was an overall bad show, and they know it. Add in the budget and it was dead in the water. And realistically, there was no reason for a budget that big anyway. It didn't reflect in the quality of the show so what did the money go to anyway? This show could have easily been made with an average budget.

I kind of knew The Acolyte is a bad show anyway.

 

[erasure fan1]

I kind of knew The Acolyte is a bad show anyway.

That's the whole point. Most people know it. But there's still holdouts trying to spin it. Including Disney.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

While Andor was quite expensive. It's also very good and well liked. Andor is also expected to have 20 episodes in total, that are all close to an hour long. Making the cost per minute to be pretty consistent with other SW content.

 

[Phroobar]