SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[erasure fan1]

You seem very resistant to acknowledging what the article actually says.

There are a group of people who will attack and criticize shows and movies strictly because they're against it from a social perspective because it dared to include a diverse cast.

Maybe because the article straight up says, The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are? They're sensationalizing it to make their point and get clicks. I will acknowledge 100% what the article is trying to say. And it would have been a good article if they actually said it. There is no place in society for the harassment of actors and people who work on a project just because you don't like said project. And yes, there is a small percentage that does that.

There are lots of shows and movies that have diverse casts that do exceptionally well. Why is that? Why is everyone toxic because they don't like the acolyte so far? At the same time they think Rogue one is the best of Disney star wars? Or Mando season 1 & 2 are the best of the shows? They're star wars, they're diverse, and pretty well loved.

Why was it toxic review bombing with Echo? Yet Fallout was loved by so many? Two shows, diverse casts, made for the more mature audience, same demographic, completely different reception. Maybe, just maybe, a good portion of people haven't connected at all with the show yet. Maybe they still will, it has some time to come into it's own.

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe because the article straight up says, The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are? They're sensationalizing it to make their point and get clicks. I will acknowledge 100% what the article is trying to say. And it would have been a good article if they actually said it. There is no place in society for the harassment of actors and people who work on a project just because you don't like said project. And yes, there is a small percentage that does that.

There are lots of shows and movies that have diverse casts that do exceptionally well. Why is that? Why is everyone toxic because they don't like the acolyte so far? At the same time they think Rogue one is the best of Disney star wars? Or Mando season 1 & 2 are the best of the shows? They're star wars, they're diverse, and pretty well loved.

Why was it toxic review bombing with Echo? Yet Fallout was loved by so many? Two shows, diverse casts, made for the more mature audience, same demographic, completely different reception. Maybe, just maybe, a good portion of people haven't connected at all with the show yet. Maybe they still will, it has some time to come into it's own.

You do know that Fallout got review bombed also right? Its why you cannot see or leave audience reviews now.

Also you're picking two shows that couldn't be further apart with diversity casting. One show is like 100% diversity casting where as the other is like 90% white with only a few diversity castings.

 

[Disney Irish]

And in even more "review bombing has gotten ridiculous", Fandomwire did an article on how reviewing bomb took down a previously well reviewed movie called Acolytes from 2008 because it bears the same name as this show.

“Can’t take review scores seriously anymore”: The Acolyte Getting ‘Review Bombed’ Gets Exposed as 2008 Movie Gets Caught in Hate Misfire

Leslye Headland's The Acolyte was review bombed by the haters as a 2008 film and a fan-made project saw a surge in negative reviews.

fandomwire.com

If that doesn't prove there is an effort to review bomb any Star Wars content into oblivion I don't know what will.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

This isn’t just my opinion; it’s based on real data and industry consensus. The industry recognizes that data from 46 million viewers worldwide is solid and a good indicator of what’s popular. Even Disney uses this broad data to complement their internal metrics and get a comprehensive view of audience preferences. It’s the format the industry agrees to follow.

no it's not, you are confusing hype from websites to generate clicks with actual industry metrics.

So tell me how exactly does Sambra have better data then Disney. Studios do NOT use Sambra

 

[erasure fan1]

You do know that Fallout got review bombed also right? Its why you cannot see or leave audience reviews now.

I don't care about review bombing because you realize review padding is a thing too right? And why even say that? If the complaints that review bombing is killing the acolyte are true. Than how did Fallout stay at the top of the ratings for what, a month plus? If it was bombed, surely all the hate filled fans had such a pull on society that it couldn't have succeeded. But I guess miracles do happen.

Also you're picking two shows that couldn't be further apart with diversity casting. One show is like 100% diversity casting where as the other is like 90% white with only a few diversity castings.

Anything to string along the toxic fan narrative I guess. So now there's some arbitrary diversity scale? Do you hear yourself talk? So a show that has a female, poc and a white male lead with an interracial wife and many other diverse characters isn't diverse enough? This is why this is always such a poop show. It just kills the agenda when when something goes against the everyone is conspiring to bring down Disney and star wars. They're both very diverse shows made for a more mature audience.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't care about review bombing because you realize review padding is a thing too right? And why even say that? If the complaints that review bombing is killing the acolyte are true. Than how did Fallout stay at the top of the ratings for what, a month plus? If it was bombed, surely all the hate filled fans had such a pull on society that it couldn't have succeeded. But I guess miracles do happen.

Review padding is less of a thing, but ok I'll give you that. But go look at that article I just posted. There is obviously a concerted effort to bring down the review scores of any Star Wars content, so much so it took down a 2008 film of the same name and a fan film of the same name. Neither of which has anything to do with this show. If you cannot see that then I don't know what to tell you.

As for Fallout, the review bombing didn't happen until after the show was already out. The same happened with Barbie after it had already been out. That is different than any Star Wars content, its because from the moment it was released Acolyte got review bombed. Again there is a motivated effort to do this.

Don't let your own disapproval of current Star Wars and LFL/Disney management cloud the reality of the situation.

Anything to string along the toxic fan narrative I guess. So now there's some arbitrary diversity scale? Do you hear yourself talk? So a show that has a female, poc and a white male lead with an interracial wife and many other diverse characters isn't diverse enough? This is why this is always such a poop show. It just kills the agenda when when something goes against the everyone is conspiring to bring down Disney and star wars. They're both very diverse shows made for a more mature audience.

If you really want to compare and contrast reviews then you need to do like for like. Right now you're going see this apple is performing better than this orange so the orange just must be bad just because both are fruits.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Maybe because the article straight up says, The acolyte isn't ruining star wars, you are? They're sensationalizing it to make their point and get clicks. I will acknowledge 100% what the article is trying to say. And it would have been a good article if they actually said it. There is no place in society for the harassment of actors and people who work on a project just because you don't like said project. And yes, there is a small percentage that does that.

There are lots of shows and movies that have diverse casts that do exceptionally well. Why is that? Why is everyone toxic because they don't like the acolyte so far? At the same time they think Rogue one is the best of Disney star wars? Or Mando season 1 & 2 are the best of the shows? They're star wars, they're diverse, and pretty well loved.

Why was it toxic review bombing with Echo? Yet Fallout was loved by so many? Two shows, diverse casts, made for the more mature audience, same demographic, completely different reception. Maybe, just maybe, a good portion of people haven't connected at all with the show yet. Maybe they still will, it has some time to come into it's own.

Ignore the headline if it's that triggering for you.

The article very clearly states they're talking about a vocal minority with an axe to grind.

 

[Trauma]

And in even more "review bombing has gotten ridiculous", Fandomwire did an article on how reviewing bomb took down a previously well reviewed movie called Acolytes from 2008 because it bears the same name as this show.

“Can’t take review scores seriously anymore”: The Acolyte Getting ‘Review Bombed’ Gets Exposed as 2008 Movie Gets Caught in Hate Misfire

Leslye Headland's The Acolyte was review bombed by the haters as a 2008 film and a fan-made project saw a surge in negative reviews.

fandomwire.com

If that doesn't prove there is an effort to review bomb any Star Wars content into oblivion I don't know what will.

How does this prove anything ?

You want to leave a bad review for the Acolyte and end up at the wrong page and don’t realize it.

This happens all the time.

Who is writing these articles?

Real Star Wars Fans are upset with the review bombing? You mean 50 people on Twitter?

Another trash article.

 

[Disney Irish]

How does this prove anything ?

You want to leave a bad review for the Acolyte and end up at the wrong page and don’t realize it.

This happens all the time.

Who is writing these articles?

Real Star Wars Fans are upset with the review bombing? You mean 50 people on Twitter?

Another trash article.

These aren't fans leaving real reviews (unless you think fans are actually that dumb and can't tell the difference between a 2008 movie and a 2024 show), they are bots specifically designed to review bomb content based on a name and getting the wrong one. Its clear that it was a concerted effort to try and bring down the scores of Star Wars content.

If you don't want to believe its happening due to your own dislike for the show, that is your prerogative. But its become a real problem, and its coming to light in a big way. No way to stick your head in the sand on this one, although I'm sure many will try.

 

[Trauma]

These aren't fans leaving real reviews (unless you think fans are actually that dumb and can't tell the difference between a 2008 movie and a 2024 show), they are bots specifically designed to review bomb content based on a name and getting the wrong one. Its clear that it was a concerted effort to try and bring down the scores of Star Wars content.

If you don't want to believe its happening due to your own dislike for the show, that is your prerogative. But its become a real problem, and its coming to light in a big way. No way to stick your head in the sand on this one, although I'm sure many will try.

This is a fun conspiracy theory.

I won’t argue it anymore though, since it’s Disney Star Wars and no one cares anymore.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is a fun conspiracy theory.

I won’t argue it anymore though, since it’s Disney Star Wars and no one cares anymore.

You can look at the data for yourself if you don't believe the article. Go check that 2008 movie out on RT, go find an actual review from someone in 2024 who just got it wrong. You won't find one real review from 2024 at all. If these were real reviews you'd have at least one comment from 2024 talking about Star Wars. You'd also notice that most of the real reviews for that movie give at least 3-4 stars, which doesn't jive with the score. Showing it was review bombed, just a few days ago.

So this isn't some conspiracy. And obviously someone cares enough to review bomb movies from 2008 that has nothing to do with Star Wars just because it has the same name.

 

[Trauma]

You can look at the data for yourself if you don't believe the article. Go check that 2008 movie out on RT, go find an actual review from someone in 2024 who just got it wrong. You won't find one real review from 2024 at all. If these were real reviews you'd have at least one comment from 2024 talking about Star Wars. You'd also notice that most of the real reviews for that movie give at least 3-4 stars, which doesn't jive with the score.

So this isn't some conspiracy.

I don’t even understand what your trying to say here.

Let’s not argue this.

Let’s just agree that Disney Star Wars is amazing and it’s never been better.

I sure wish all those racist bots would go away, and then we could all be a lot happier.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t even understand what your trying to say here.

You were saying the article was trash. So I'm just saying go check it out for yourself and see if what the article states is true. That is exactly what I did, just to see if what the article was saying is true, which I confirmed.

I'm bringing the receipts, I'm just asking you to verify it for yourself.

Let’s not argue this.

Let’s just agree that Disney Star Wars is amazing and it’s never been better.

No one claimed this. I never disputed your own opinions on this show nor is that what anyone is talking about. If you legitimately dislike the show, or think its just meh, that is your opinion. But what is being discussed is a larger issue that is happening right now. If you choose to not acknowledge its happening that is up to you.

I sure wish all those racist bots would go away, and then we could all be a lot happier.

This I would agree with, though I wouldn't use that phrase. If things like this weren't review bombed we all could have a real discussion on things. But unfortunately its the nature of where things are right now.

 

[doctornick]

So I thought the third episode was boring and kind of a disappointment after the first two episodes were at entertaining. I actually thought the opening scene was great - showing the difference between the sisters - before it devolved into some clunky dialogue and acting. The scenes with the coven were weird (if there is anything I’d say was “cringey” in the show, that would be it) and simultaneously didn’t really tell us much about them. I mean, I’m curious as to how they relate to the Night Sisters, et al but can’t really tell. Maybe more will be revealed but I felt like kind of needed more information now to be engaged.

I wasn’t happy with the portrayal of the Jedi (until Sol later in the episode). They came across as despotic and controlling which doesn’t really fit IMHO with past depictions. I’m fine with them being haughty, know it alls, having hubris but they never seemed overtly mean and this didn’t seem like they were there for “the better good” but more for to promote themselves. Seemed really off. I think I agree with an earlier post that it feels like is someone who doesn’t like real religions taking it out on the Jedi and added some degree of commentary there.

I guess we’ll see the real reason the witches died and what the Jedi did wrong that led the one guy to willingly kill himself. But I can’t say I really all care that much. I’m more just curious about Sol - this episode did make him more intriguing and likable - and his Padawan as well as finding out who the Sith(?) character is and how s/he connects to the greater SW story

 

[MagicMouseFan]

no it's not, you are confusing hype from websites to generate clicks with actual industry metrics.

So tell me how exactly does Sambra have better data then Disney. Studios do NOT use Sambra

Please read above for industry consensus.

 

[erasure fan1]

Review padding is less of a thing, but ok I'll give you that. But go look at that article I just posted. There is obviously a concerted effort to bring down the review scores of any Star Wars content, so much so it took down a 2008 film of the same name and a fan film of the same name.

That's the thing, I 100% agree that there's a group, not trying to take down star wars alone, but trying to take down anything Disney. My point of contention has always been they aren't ruining star wars and they are not responsible for low viewership. And as I've said many times, it just doesn't hold water. Rogue one, mando s1 & s2, Andor all go against the claims. Solo was everything you guys say these fans want, yet it flopped hard.

Don't let your own disapproval of current Star Wars and LFL/Disney management cloud the reality of the situation.

I guess I'd ask what's the reality of the situation? I'm pretty sure my reality and yours are completely different. I could just as easily say don't let your approval of LFL/Dis cloud the reality. My reality is I love star wars and I want the best for it. I absolutely will support star wars. What I won't do is blindly support them. And I see a lot of that with these first 3 episodes.

If you really want to compare and contrast reviews then you need to do like for like.

So nothing can ever be compared? I was told that I couldn't compare a show like the acolyte to fallout because one was general audience and the other was mature. So then I compare it with Echo, Disneys "mature" branded show, and yet still not comparable?

Ignore the headline if it's that triggering for you.

The article very clearly states they're talking about a vocal minority with an axe to grind.

Why ignore it? Is the headline not supposed to be what the article is about? Yes they talked about it being a minority in the last 5th or so. The problem is they went through the majority of the article blaming the toxic fanbase for all the problems with star wars. Saying it can't be enjoyed because of it. That No one hates Star Wars more than those who claim to be Star Wars fans. I claim to be a fan so I guess that means me.. Like I said, I agree with what the article was trying to say. They just did it extremely poorly. It comes off as a rant the same as all the haters they are complaining about.

Is this group of idiots a problem? Sure they are. Are they effecting star wars like the article is claiming? Not at all. Word of mouth is immensely more powerful, good or bad. If people are watching the acolyte and they like it, they will tell others, and it will pickup. If it doesn't get any better, that will spread as well.

We need to stop giving them power. You might not think so, or maybe you don't see it. But articles like this just feed into that toxic group. It gives them justification. "See, there goes the media again blaming the fans again." And the next thing you know there is a video titled, star wars is dead, and the media blames the you, the fans! Stop giving them press, and their influence is extremely diminished.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Please read above for industry consensus.

I did... and you are dodging the question. Why do you think that Samba would have better information about who watches what show then Disney themselves where everyone who watches their show HAS to login, They know who watches what and for how long.

This isn’t just my opinion; it’s based on real data and industry consensus.

Citation needed. Show me the source that says Netflix, Disney, HBO values Samba's data ABOVE their own.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's the thing, I 100% agree that there's a group, not trying to take down star wars alone, but trying to take down anything Disney.

Ok, good I'm glad we can agree that its actually happening. It seemed like you were denying it was happening or at least was trying to downplay it.

My point of contention has always been they aren't ruining star wars and they are not responsible for low viewership. And as I've said many times, it just doesn't hold water. Rogue one, mando s1 & s2, Andor all go against the claims.

However I'd counter with the point that many do let review scores sway their opinion on what they should watch. We have a poster here that almost proudly made the same statement on their viewership habits. So if you have a group that is artificially causing the review scores to go down then why would they be doing that if not to effect the viewership numbers? And this is the problem, we cannot have a true conversation on how things are really doing because of those artificial review scores.

Solo was everything you guys say these fans want, yet it flopped hard.

I never made that claim, so I'm not part of "you guys". I honestly don't know what fans want, especially recently. I've made the statement many times that no one should try to speak for the entire fandom let alone try say what it wants.

Many say "just make good Star Wars". Yet no one seems to be able to say what that is. And the reason is because the fandom cannot unanimously with a single voice state what that is. And that is because there isn't a single opinion on what makes "good Star Wars" for the entire fandom means.

I guess I'd ask what's the reality of the situation?

That the effort made to bring down Star Wars is affecting the viewership numbers.

I'm pretty sure my reality and yours are completely different. I could just as easily say don't let your approval of LFL/Dis cloud the reality. My reality is I love star wars and I want the best for it. I absolutely will support star wars. What I won't do is blindly support them. And I see a lot of that with these first 3 episodes.

As I've said many times, I like what I like and dislike what I don't. I make no apologies if what I like isn't something that someone else doesn't, and vice-versa. Just because I like current Star Wars content doesn't mean I blindly support it. If I didn't like it I would say so.

So nothing can ever be compared? I was told that I couldn't compare a show like the acolyte to fallout because one was general audience and the other was mature. So then I compare it with Echo, Disneys "mature" branded show, and yet still not comparable?

Nope not what I said. What I said is you're trying to compare things that are actually different and calling them the same just because they fit your criteria. Echo while mature was a 100% diverse cast, Fallout is not the same even though it was considered mature due to its primarily white cast.

If you want to compare Echo to something you should be comparing it to another recently released show with a 100% diverse cast and see if they had similar viewership issues.

Although I will bring up again, even though you said you don't care, Fallout too was review bombed for various reasons by the game fan base including for casting a female in the lead role, it was even brought up on the IMDB forums -

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/fallout-2024-tv-show-potential-for-review-bombing/66179245af613d1d06afbb64

 

[BrianLo]

I’m didn’t bother to look this up, but didn’t that old show on Netflix “Suits” just become a big thing?

Would it bother you to know that the Acolyte has a higher viewership than Suits?

Now granted - I doubt the majority of the audience actually consumed the entire series. There’s a huge difference between sticking with a 3 episode series versus a 141 one. But the premier of Acolyte is actually not bad. Even if I’m sure more than 9 million people watched the first season of suits. But well under 9 million actually finished it.

I’m still in the camp of the series is ok. I’ll stick with it, but it’s going to need an uptick for the audience to stick with it.

 

[BrianLo]

Stop giving examples that don’t support the talking points.

Everything negative said about Star Wars is from bigoted 34 year olds living in Moms basement.

LMAO. So I take it no one has any idea of the toxicity surrounding the sequel?

Hold onto your butts at they say. Last of Us is a very, very bad example. Fortunately I think general audiences will roll with it better than the fan base did.