News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Touchdown]

I know the consensus is that he won’t be included, but what’s your source for the latter claim?

-Keith David was not announced at D23 as a returning voice
-Keith David is a prolific voice actor who is still active (recurring role as the President on Rick and Morty)
-Keith David has worked with Disney recently (Ducktales, and I won’t spoil his cameo in the finale)

In short it is highly unlikely that Keith David would decline an invite to voice the shadow man if Disney asked and it’s highly unlikely Disney would hire him and not announce him along with the returning voices.

 

[LittleBuford]

-Keith David was not announced at D23 as a returning voice
-Keith David is a prolific voice actor who is still active (recurring role as the President on Rick and Morty)
-Keith David has worked with Disney recently (Ducktales, and I won’t spoil his cameo in the finale)

In short it is highly unlikely that Keith David would decline an invite to voice the shadow man if Disney asked and it’s highly unlikely Disney would hire him and not announce him along with the returning voices.

You misunderstood; I was asking specifically about the second part of @CaptainAmerica's post.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Occam's Razor.

Facilier will not be in the ride as this ride takes place after the first film.

Will Friends from the other Side still appear? Possibly.

Could they utilize Facilier's voice in some way, like coming from a portal on the other side? Maybe. Do I expect a full AA Facilier, nope. He is in the realm from which one does not physically return.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Facilier will not be in the ride as this ride takes place after the first film.

But this is begging the question.

There's no reason why the ride must take place after the film. So is Facilier not in the ride because it takes place after the film? Or is the ride set after the film because they didn't want to include Facilier?

"Friends on the Other Side" is such an obvious choice for the Laughing Place that I don't see much chance that he was just accidentally excluded because he didn't fit with the timeline.

 

[LittleBuford]

But this is begging the question.

Props for using this correctly.

 

[Disney Analyst]

But this is begging the question.

There's no reason why the ride must take place after the film. So is Facilier not in the ride because it takes place after the film? Or is the ride set after the film because they didn't want to include Facilier?

"Friends on the Other Side" is such an obvious choice for the Laughing Place that I don't see much chance that he was just accidentally excluded because he didn't fit with the timeline.

I mean, we can only make assumptions on why.

I believe it takes place after the main film as they don't want Tiana to be in frog form in the attraction (which was a major criticism of the movie, having the first Black Disney Princess in frog form most the film).

And probably because they didn't want to replace a major e-ticket with a book report ride.

 

[LittleBuford]

I mean, we can only make assumptions on why.

I believe it takes place after the main film as they don't want Tiana to be in frog form in the attraction (which was a major criticism of the movie, having the first Black animated female lead in frog form most the film).

And probably because they didn't want to replace a major e-ticket with a book report ride.

Splash Mountain is itself a book-report ride.

I think the reason is they didn't want to show Tiana as a frog for most of the ride.

I do hope Facilier puts in an appearance from beyond the grave. The ride needs a moment of drama and tension.

 

[Touchdown]

How in the world is a magic user going to return from beyond? Especially one that is adept at convincing demons to do his will?

 

[JohnD]

But this is begging the question.

There's no reason why the ride must take place after the film. So is Facilier not in the ride because it takes place after the film? Or is the ride set after the film because they didn't want to include Facilier?

"Friends on the Other Side" is such an obvious choice for the Laughing Place that I don't see much chance that he was just accidentally excluded because he didn't fit with the timeline.

The reason the ride takes place after the film, IMHO, is that Tiana is a frog for much of the film. That was one of the criticisms of that movie: "You finally have an African American princess and for most of the film she's a frog?" Other than PATF being the source material, they're actually focusing on Tiana the human. As such, Facilier is dead by this point.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I think @Californian Elitist may have been the one to clue me in and then I dug into it from there. Something to do with problematic depictions of African diaspora religions, particularly voodoo.

That wasn’t me, but yes, there have been criticisms about the portrayal of voodoo in the film.

The ride will apparently take place in between the film and the future D+ series. Given this, I don’t fully understand why folks are hoping to see Dr. Facilier in the attraction. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I’m not expecting for him to be in the ride. They are writing new music and have created new characters for the ride. I’m not necessarily expecting to hear any of the music from the film, excluding maybe different takes on a particular song (like “Going Down the Bayou,” for example). So far, with the exception of some returning characters, nothing they’ve said or released this far has indicated that the ride will have strong ties to the film.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I don't have much hope Facilier will be present. Maybe referentially, like his shadow, house, personal belongings, grave stone or something else similar in the background. But probably not as himself or his voice. That isn't anything I was told BTW, it just makes logical sense. Unless they're planning on reviving him for the D+ series and are keeping his presence secret as a surprise.

In the model of the ride, you can spot Mama Odie's colored bottles suspended inside the cave at the top of the big drop. So I assume she's taking over that lift scene.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I don’t fully understand why folks are hoping to see Dr. Facilier in the attraction.

Because he has the best villain song in a 30 year period, going back to "Be Prepared" through today, and counting.

 

[LittleBuford]

Because he has the best villain song in a 30 year period, going back to "Be Prepared" through today, and counting.

"Mine, Mine, Mine" from Pocahontas is excellent though admittedly not all that villainous.

 

[JohnD]

Because he has the best villain song in a 30 year period, going back to "Be Prepared" through today, and counting.

Which you get at the annual Hocus Pocus show at MNSSHP. But anything is possible. There could be a flashback.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Because he has the best villain song in a 30 year period, going back to "Be Prepared" through today, and counting.

I agree, but the ride isn’t directly based on the movie. They’re writing new music.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I’d say “Hellfire” was likely the last excellent villain song before “Friends on the Other Side.”

 

[Touchdown]

He’s also the best purely evil to just be evil Disney Villain since Jafar.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Which you get at the annual Hocus Pocus show at MNSSHP. But anything is possible. There could be a flashback.

I am decidedly not a character person. I never do meet-and-greets or anything, and I try to steer my kids away from them as much as I can. But the Facilier character performer in the Boo to You parade is worth the price of admission to MNSSHP alone. That dude is INCREDIBLE.

 

[JohnD]

I am decidedly not a character person. I never do meet-and-greets or anything, and I try to steer my kids away from them as much as I can. But the Facilier character performer in the Boo to You parade is worth the price of admission to MNSSHP alone. That dude is INCREDIBLE.

It's not a meet and greet but one of the best castle shows they have done in a long time. Facilier sings his memorable song in that one. (So does Oogie Boogie from Nightmare Before Christmas, BTW). If you love the Facilier performer from the parade, you'll be thrilled by the character in the show.

 

[LittleBuford]

I’d say “Hellfire” was likely the last excellent villain song before “Friends on the Other Side.”

I think it may even have been the last villain song full stop.