NoChesterHester
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You may say "like" and Mission Space in the same sentence, but not "love."
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Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter
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You may say "like" and Mission Space in the same sentence, but not "love."
CDavid
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One word answer: stupidity.
I get that Disney felt Future World needed more thrills, though I really don't fully understand that either because the parks initial success was built on the wonder that was the Epcot Center of 1982/83, and not a thrill ride in sight. In a resort, not every offering need appeal to the same demographic. Even with a desire for more thrills, though, you shouldn't really be so anxious to dispose of the type of attractions which made the park a success in the first place (again, a different demographic than thrill freaks).
Indeed, and Horizons certainly would have made for an excellent epic scale dark-ride complement to thrill-oriented Mission Space next door to the pavilion, rather than instead of. If the idea was to offer something that appeals to everyone, then you need to - you know - offer something that appeals to everyone. Still not sure how tearing down the attraction which appealed to one group, in order to build a thrill ride which often appeals to a different group, accomplished that.
I know you were trying to go a different direction with this, but I always thought the lack of anything but the ride - not even a gift shop at the exit, imagine that - was one of the problems with Horizons' layout. You went in the doors, rode, and then left immediately; The attraction sometimes looked like it was deserted or even closed even when it was drawing respectable crowds. To answer your question, however, I think multiple experiences work best in the same pavilion, much like The Land, though I wouldn't necessarily want to sacrifice an E-ticket for 3-4 B or C tickets.
Arguably a seriously misguided update, which is a relevant topic given talk of changes to existing portions of AK or the Studios. Indeed, Horizons is a fair question to at least bring up somewhere on a Disney message board, even if a rather pointless discussion at this point. If new bathrooms are worthy of a thread, Horizons (approaching its 30th anniversary) is probably deserving of half a dozen. Which ironically brings up another point we've been discussing, the lifespan of attractions, such as Avatar.
Longhairbear
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Does anyone know the current slate of films Disney is filming right now? We just got word that Disney is filming down the street from us at a new boutique hotel called "D" in Palm Springs CA, on Palm Canyon DR. We haven't seen the usual movie trucks in the last few days, but going out in the morning to check it out.
Darth Sidious
Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Why did this thread become a political wasteland? Politics aggravates me every day, I don't want to read it on my daily Disney site! LOL
Funmeister
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One of the original concepts to replace "Horizons" was to use the then existing building and add two towers to the front of the building on either side. Imagine the towers being enclosed spiral tracks. The ride vehicles could lean forward and backwards. The combination of centrifugal force from the spiral ride track and the leaning backward of the ride vehicle would simulate g-forces during a launch. (There was some conceptual artwork floating around on the internet years ago but I cannot seem to find it)
The tilting back aspect would simulate weightlessness. The pavilion would have been gutted with a new ride inside themed after...space.
71jason
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QFT. I assume everyone here has an interest in, and above average knowledge of, WDW and TWDC in general, so I respect just about everyone's opinion on those subjects (even J.T.'s).
Sorry, but I don't give a mouse's @$$ what any of you think about unions, Republicans, taxes, etc.
ThemeParks4Life
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Holy **** this thread has gone crazy. We need Spirit back NOW.
ChrisM
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If it were only that simple.
Allow me to illustrate: I have a friend who was a UAW member and worked as the "backup assistant electrician" at Ford Chicago Assembly. His job responsibilities were to show up and work on any electrical problems on the line...if the assistant electrician happened to not show up or be on vacation. What did that mean? It meant he largely sat around and read magazines, watched TV, helped run the internal lottery, or took "alternative education" classes offered by Ford. Every once in a while he'd be pressed into service and do some actual work. For that he made over $100,000 a year and was usually furloughed for 6-8 weeks every summer.
Amazingly enough he doesn't work there any longer, largely due to the fact he had low seniority and pulled a lot of night shifts and because his wife is a partner at a large law firm.
So let's just say that there's a gaping chasm between "better treatment and pay for everyone" and the utter insanity of what is described above.
You could make that argument. You'd also be fantastically wrong.
I've been a partner at a Fortune 100 company and had dealings with the C suites of multiple other businesses. There are a raft of bad actors out there, for sure, but my experience has been that the majority of businesses I've been exposed to are run by very ethical people and their organizations reflect it.
I'm not going to spend hours cleaning it up.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Really? It must be shocking then to see the TEA report where it shows IOA posting the most additional guests in 2012 vs 2011 of all the Florida parks sans MK itself.
And can someone please raise the bridge so @SirOinksALot can explain how USF was so DESPERATE because of no jaws and how bad their attendance was due to it... yet they show a healthy 2.5% increase for the period?
disney fan 13
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Though I disagree with reopening this black hole of a thread, You are correct.
74 has been back for a while, Jake, old buddy. And he's always around in Spirit. Oh, and I think most of the folks here are quite capable of thinking for themselves. You shouldn't insult the community by insinuating otherwise.
I have been agreeing with Flynn way too much of late, which means either he is right or I got too much sun on my trip or both.
And this thread is no black hole. It apparently spiraled out of control when I was away, but there's plenty of substance in the first few hundred pages, anyway.
But I am off to the new thread as I see nothing here that can't be discussed there.
The Empress Lilly
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Oddly, I think UNI's numbers show Tim_4 was spot on.
Without meaningful investment, three WDW parks managed to grow 2.2%. Sea grew a healthy 3% with just Turtle Trek for just a few months and half the park being a construction site. Meanwhile UNI, for all its enormous recent investments, only managed 4% and 2.5% growth. Roughly 3.3 average.
That's an expensive 1.0 to 0.3 percent more than the other Orlando parks. If I roughly calculate that, every fifteen million dollar extra investment generated one extra guest at UNI.
So yes, Potter is no longer adding (a meaningful amount of) additional guests. That is to say, to quote Tim: They've already gotten all the growth they were ever going to get from phase one, which is why they need phase two.